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| animation_luver wrote: | ||||||||
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I understand Harold's motivations just fine. We're discussing whether or not it was right. And it wasn't. By any stretch. Harold might regret his actions, but ultimately has not done anything to redeem his error. He hides from Courtney like a rat, and doesn't own up to her for his faults. Whether or not Harold will do it again, though, is immaterial. The action has already been performed.
| BrainMan820 wrote: | ||
Except Harold showed that he couldn't catch, either. He ran away screaming as the ball came near him, and neither caught it nor dodged. Recall that half the players Owen threw out (Bridgette and Sadie) were not overly coordinated. Throwing them out required no effort. |
Harold has actually proven to be a lot more coordinated than the other players, considering that the balls that Owen was throwing were fastballs. Harold managed to both dodge them and catch them with the time that remained in the game. However, the fact that Harold couldn't dodge Leshawna's balls, but somehow managed to take Owen down is a mystery. It makes no sense how he fled from the balls thrown by Leshawna, but managed to get Owen out with almost no effort. This considering that Owen's throws were twice as fast.
^ I blame it on the fact that the thrower was LeShawna. He nearly got beat up by her a few episodes ago and, well, he could have had a romantic interest in her quite early in the game.
I just have a few questions for BrainMan. If Harold still deserves to be bullied by Duncan, when should it stop? When do the injuries and emotional stress from constant pranking compensate for his cheating? Does Harold have to do anything in particular to show repentance? Will saying sorry to Courtney suffice, or does he have to let Courtney and Duncan mop the floor with him and vote him off before he is forgiven?
| BrainMan820 wrote: |
| Harold is shown to be bad in dodgeball: Leshawna threw him out with no effort, and she wasn't half the player Owen was. He wasn't some effortless dodger. In fact, I'm quite willing to bet it was more Owen's fault than anything, as he threw many balls concurrently. This is only my hypothesis, but the fact that Leshawna did in fact throw Harold out is a damper on his skills. And as for the other part, please remember that the game is dodgeball. There is nothing to do other then throw the ball and catch the ball. Leshawna proved that Harold wasn't skilled at either of them. He was able to catch only when he focused on the task (with prodding from Courtney) As for the voting, I agree. I actually don't mind that Harold pranked Duncan in retaliation. What matters is what he did to do it: He cheated off Courtney. She was the one affected by this, and Harold had no right to take revenge against her. Thus, she is within her rights to torment him, and Duncan, who also suffered, has a right to bully Harold for cheating off his girlfriend. |
Hold on a second. If half the players that Owen got out were coordinated, who prevented who from getting Heather out, and by that person catching the ball got the other person out instead? Isn't Courtney supposed to be one of their strongest players?
Owen may have lacked the skills to dodge, but do you know how difficult it is to dodge many fastballs thrown at once? Every player but Harold seemed to have trouble pulling that off, especially the Gophers who were leading before this. And everyone else cheered Harold on in the final round. Courtney didn't prod him to completing the task, it was Duncan. It also didn't happen until the second inning of the final round. But by that time, Harold was already well focused.
As for the voting, I think that part of the reason Harold went for Courtney was due to all the comments she made. His motive was mainly to spite Duncan in retaliation, but I could bet that he wouldn't have thought of cheating off Courtney had she not told him that he sucked at dodgeball or called him out for his lack of body strength, every so often. Personally, I think that Courtney is acting hypocritical. She hates it when someone cheats her out of a game, but she has no problem trying to call her lawyers to cheat others out of a million dollars, despite all the out-of-office replies she receives.
| BrainMan820 wrote: | ||||||||||
I understand Harold's motivations just fine. We're discussing whether or not it was right. And it wasn't. By any stretch. Harold might regret his actions, but ultimately has not done anything to redeem his error. He hides from Courtney like a rat, and doesn't own up to her for his faults. Whether or not Harold will do it again, though, is immaterial. The action has already been performed. |
| imverybasic wrote: | ||
Hold on a second. If half the players that Owen got out were coordinated, who prevented who from getting Heather out, and by that person catching the ball got the other person out instead? Isn't Courtney supposed to be one of their strongest players? Owen may have lacked the skills to dodge, but do you know how difficult it is to dodge many fastballs thrown at once? Every player but Harold seemed to have trouble pulling that off, especially the Gophers who were leading before this. And everyone else cheered Harold on in the final round. Courtney didn't prod him to completing the task, it was Duncan. It also didn't happen until the second inning of the final round. But by that time, Harold was already well focused. As for the voting, I think that part of the reason Harold went for Courtney was due to all the comments she made. His motive was mainly to spite Duncan in retaliation, but I could bet that he wouldn't have thought of cheating off Courtney had she not told him that he sucked at dodgeball or called him out for his lack of body strength, every so often. Personally, I think that Courtney is acting hypocritical. She hates it when someone cheats her out of a game, but she has no problem trying to call her lawyers to cheat others out of a million dollars, despite all the out-of-office replies she receives.
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| Diddy_2000 wrote: | ||||
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She's using their power to "break the system" to get the game to go into her favor. That isn't fair, therefore she's cheating.
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Umm cheating? What is more LEGAL then LAWYERS 0.o 0.o 0.o |
| n5d25d90 wrote: | ||||||
Well, give every player a lawyer or two and then we'll talk. |
| Brodoin15 wrote: | ||||||
She's using their power to "break the system" to get the game to go into her favor. That isn't fair, therefore she's cheating. |
| Diddy_2000 wrote: | ||||||||
but that is not nor never will hapen so u have not one good point in ur post. |
| alagaesian wrote: |
^ I blame it on the fact that the thrower was LeShawna. He nearly got beat up by her a few episodes ago and, well, he could have had a romantic interest in her quite early in the game. I just have a few questions for BrainMan. If Harold still deserves to be bullied by Duncan, when should it stop? When do the injuries and emotional stress from constant pranking compensate for his cheating? Does Harold have to do anything in particular to show repentance? Will saying sorry to Courtney suffice, or does he have to let Courtney and Duncan mop the floor with him and vote him off before he is forgiven? |
There's no evidence that it's because of an infatuation with Leshawna. Why can't you people just accept that Harold isn't that great? Sure, the balls Owen threw were fast, but remember that he was throwing them consecutively. Dividing effort like that is going to make things easier to dodge.
And to answer the question, whatever pennance suffered by Harold would be decided by Courtney, and no one else.
| imverybasic wrote: | ||
Hold on a second. If half the players that Owen got out were coordinated, who prevented who from getting Heather out, and by that person catching the ball got the other person out instead? Isn't Courtney supposed to be one of their strongest players? Owen may have lacked the skills to dodge, but do you know how difficult it is to dodge many fastballs thrown at once? Every player but Harold seemed to have trouble pulling that off, especially the Gophers who were leading before this. And everyone else cheered Harold on in the final round. Courtney didn't prod him to completing the task, it was Duncan. It also didn't happen until the second inning of the final round. But by that time, Harold was already well focused. As for the voting, I think that part of the reason Harold went for Courtney was due to all the comments she made. His motive was mainly to spite Duncan in retaliation, but I could bet that he wouldn't have thought of cheating off Courtney had she not told him that he sucked at dodgeball or called him out for his lack of body strength, every so often. Personally, I think that Courtney is acting hypocritical. She hates it when someone cheats her out of a game, but she has no problem trying to call her lawyers to cheat others out of a million dollars, despite all the out-of-office replies she receives. |
I never said Owen was a bad player, I'm just saying that Harold dodging Owen's balls isn't some godly ability, and the fact that Owen got out four campers in a row rather quickly is not that great when two of them suck. Owen's still a good player, mind you. Just don't take it like Harold is some uber-awesome character because he was able to catch one of Owen's balls.
Actually, Owen's strategy was significantly different from Duncan's. Recall that each time the blitz happened on the Bass team, it was with four balls thrown from different angles. Owen, being a single player, can only throw the ball from one point. Also, given that Owen has one target, they are all going from Point A to Point B. The lack of variation is going to hurt significantly more.
Please rewatch the episode: It was Courtney who told Harold to catch the ball, not Duncan. Geoff said that dodging wasn't enough, Duncan said Harold would be unable to throw out Owen, then Courtney said to catch the ball.
And again, there is no evidence of Harold wanting to prank off Courtney because of anything Courtney did to him. Harold was expressly clear that he performed the crime to get back at Duncan because Courtney was his girlfriend.
| Brodoin15 wrote: | ||||||
She's using their power to "break the system" to get the game to go into her favor. That isn't fair, therefore she's cheating. |
"Not fair" is not "cheating" Cheating is not fair, but just because something is unfair doesn't mean it's cheating. Show me something more significant. Courtney was given these perks as a result of being unfairly booted off and successful negoitating. There's nothing unfair about it.
| BrainMan820 wrote: |
| There's no evidence that it's because of an infatuation with Leshawna. Why can't you people just accept that Harold isn't that great? Sure, the balls Owen threw were fast, but remember that he was throwing them consecutively. |
the thing i dont understand is that courtney got more good things than bad out opf being cheated out and shes togethr with duncan again in total drama action. yet you guys are still making her look like the victim. what do they have to do to harold before hes finally forgiven? i mean courtney has a chance to get 1million dollars now for crying out loud and she has more luxuries than the rest of the cast. lets just say that harold didnt cheat her off. im almost completely sure she wouldve lost anyways and duncan still wouldve outlasted her. then she wouldnt have been in total drama action and im pretty sure duncan would still bully harold anyways
| BrainMan820 wrote: |
| I never said Owen was a bad player, I'm just saying that Harold dodging Owen's balls isn't some godly ability, and the fact that Owen got out four campers in a row rather quickly is not that great when two of them suck. Owen's still a good player, mind you. Just don't take it like Harold is some uber-awesome character because he was able to catch one of Owen's balls. And again, there is no evidence of Harold wanting to prank off Courtney because of anything Courtney did to him. Harold was expressly clear that he performed the crime to get back at Duncan because Courtney was his girlfriend. |
Just because half the players Owen eliminated were uncoordinated, doesn't mean that he couldn't get out players that were. You're admitting that he's a good player, but all the while saying that he could only get out players that are less coordinated than him, is saying that he's not that good, just mediocore. Owen's balls were thrown both rapidly and directly at the players. Neither of them could dodge them, except for Harold.
There's no evidence because Harold doesn't admit it. He wasn't going to express something about Courtney considering she was in the same place as him. He was avoiding her during that time. Courtney would have done something to him if she knew he said anything that involved her in anyway. I'm not implying that what Harold said wasn't true, but there had to be another possibility as to why he was gunning for her and not Duncan. It was out of spite, but for argument's sake he could have tried to cheat Duncan out of a million as an act of spite towards him.
