What of the time he saved peoples' lives, including Duncan's?
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What of the time he saved peoples' lives, including Duncan's?
| Brodoin15 wrote: |
What of the time he saved peoples' lives, including Duncan's?
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That loses it's impact quite a bit when Harold's own life is in danger from the same problem. After all, it isn't as if Harold can breathe water.
| HaydenAvery wrote: |
| Harold rarely shows niceness? yea i though courtney was really nice when she was going to let owen tyler cody and DJ fall to their death. brainman stop fooling yourself. |
What does that have to do with Harold being nice? Would it kill you to stay on topic?
| n5d25d90 wrote: |
| Harold shouldn't have tampered with the votes, I agree, but think about this for a second: Who has the final say? If you ask me, in the end, Harold was NOT the one that screwed Courtney over, and here's why: on camera they revealed what Harold did right after Courtney got kicked off. And going by the fact that Chris has revealed through fast-forwards, rewinds, and drawing on the screen during pauses, showing that he at least goes through the tapes himself... would he not know about this? And guess who still let it slide. If Chris and the producers have the power to bring back people like they did Izzy and Eva, they could've brought back Courtney easily. But they didn't. As for whether or not he deserves to be bullied... NO. It was him being bullied that resulted in this whole mess in the first place. If Duncan would've just left him alone, none of this would have happened. Have someone abuse and humiliate you constantly and on a regular basis and see if you don't snap and do something you're going to regret later. |
By your logic, though, Chris would have never allowed it to happen had Harold not done it. That is the same thing as ascribing Duncan the blame for Harold booting off Courtney: There would have been no reason for Chris to allow it had Harold not done it.
| BrainMan820 wrote: | ||
Duncan's bullying does not excuse Harold in the slightest, merely because it was ultimately a conscious decision made by Harold out of spite. Harold is ultimately responsible for his own actions: he is the one who made them. Simple logic disctates that Harold is responsible for his own actions. Duncan and his pranks are irrelevant because Harold cheated off Courtney, not him. He just wanted Duncan to suffer. There is no excuse for such an act done purely of malice. Say what you will of Courtney's harshness, she was willing to help Harold out (giving him the strategy to win in dodgeball, and actually letting him go in the talent contest. Please recall that Geoff, DJ, and Courtney all had excellent talents lined up. A little harsh, yes, but not malevolent.) Harold, by contrast, doesn't have anything to balance out his cheating. He's willing to work with the team for the challenges, but we rarely, if ever, see kindness out of him.
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It's okay to point out a person's faults, but only when the person is asking for feedback. Courtney had no right to showcase Harold's arm to his entire team. It is humiliating and completely unneccessary. The fact that she said to Harold how much he sucked at dodgeball was faulty on her part. She spent all her time judging him and belittling his capabilities when in all fairness, she and the other campers could have given more of a chance to see what he was capable of doing. Instead, Courtney went all out and assumed that Harold sucked at the game, just because he couldn't throw. Now how much sense does that make?
I'm free to admit that Harold has some annoying habits, but who doesn't? The fact that everyone on that show has done some sort of act of stupidity and yet some of the campers still victumize Harold for what he does is flat-out ridiculous. You may think differently, but when it all comes down to it, calling someone out on their faults and habits without warning is a form of verbal abuse and verbally abusing a person is being malevolent.
And I would have to agree with n5d25d90. It's not always easy to stand up to a bully. Harold is aware of Duncan's strength and knows just as well as anyone that confronting him or tampering the votes against him would have provoked Duncan to do something horrible later on. In contrast, picking on someone or pointing out a person's faults when not needed provokes the victum to fight back. So you can't exactly blame Harold for what he did.
| BrainMan820 wrote: | ||
That loses it's impact quite a bit when Harold's own life is in danger from the same problem. After all, it isn't as if Harold can breathe water. |
Why?
If an air plane crashed in a lake or the ocean near land or an island, and a survivor helps save other survivors from drowning, would he not be a hero beause he was also on the plane? Of course not, because he saved those people. They owe him a debt of thanks.
Just because Harold was in the same situation as the other contestants, doesn't mean he shouldn't get credit for saving them. In fact, they owe Harold a lot, because they'd be dead now if he didn't do what he did.
| n5d25d90 wrote: |
| But he still could've brought Courtney back, couldn't he? |
He could have. But until Courtney's lawyers showed up, Chris did as he pleased. That doesn't mean Harold didn't cheat.
| animation_luver wrote: | ||||
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You...didn't read a word that was written, did you? Harold consciously cheated off Courtney to spite Duncan. The fact that he cheated off Courtney is the clincher, because Courtney was not responsible for anything Harold was being pranked with. In fact, Courtney seemed pretty pissed off about it during the cooking challenge. Goes to show what an "amazing person" Harold is.
| imverybasic wrote: |
| It's okay to point out a person's faults, but only when the person is asking for feedback. Courtney had no right to showcase Harold's arm to his entire team. It is humiliating and completely unneccessary. The fact that she said to Harold how much he sucked at dodgeball was faulty on her part. She spent all her time judging him and belittling his capabilities when in all fairness, she and the other campers could have given more of a chance to see what he was capable of doing. Instead, Courtney went all out and assumed that Harold sucked at the game, just because he couldn't throw. Now how much sense does that make? I'm free to admit that Harold has some annoying habits, but who doesn't? The fact that everyone on that show has done some sort of act of stupidity and yet some of the campers still victumize Harold for what he does is flat-out ridiculous. You may think differently, but when it all comes down to it, calling someone out on their faults and habits without warning is a form of verbal abuse and verbally abusing a person is being malevolent. And I would have to agree with n5d25d90. It's not always easy to stand up to a bully. Harold is aware of Duncan's strength and knows just as well as anyone that confronting him or tampering the votes against him would have provoked Duncan to do something horrible later on. In contrast, picking on someone or pointing out a person's faults when not needed provokes the victum to fight back. So you can't exactly blame Harold for what he did. |
It's quite obvious that Harold was bad at dodgeball: Leshawna threw him out with absolutely no effort, and his attempt at a throw was absolutely pathetic. It makes perfect sense given Harold's complete lack of "wicked skills." She also didn't showcase his bad arm to the entire team: Harold did that himself. If Courtney had "given Harold a chance" they would have lost.
And tampering with the votes still makes no sense. By your logic, Duncan would have probably tormented or hurt Harold if Harold cheated off Duncan, and Duncan found out. Well, what makes Harold think things would be any different if he cheats off Duncan's girlfriend? What, does he think Duncan is just going to let it slide? Or that Courtney wouldn't seek her own revenge?
I can perfectly blame Harold. He consciously made a malicious act to someone who had nothing to do with tormenting him. DJ, Mister Lovable, punked Harold far more then Courtney did. Harold's actions were out of spite, and deserve to be punished.
Yes, it was obvious that Harold was bad at dodgeball, but that doesn't mean Courtney could call him out on it.
You blame it all on Harold, yet from what I can see at least two other people also to be blamed other than Harold.
1. Duncan - Had Duncan not messed with Harold, nothing would have happened. Plain and simple.
2. Chris - Chris saw that Harold cheated, but he choose to do nothing.
| Brodoin15 wrote: |
What of the time he saved peoples' lives, including Duncan's?
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| Brodoin15 wrote: |
| 1. Duncan - Had Duncan not messed with Harold, nothing would have happened. Plain and simple |
| Brodoin15 wrote: |
| 2. Chris - Chris saw that Harold cheated, but he choose to do nothing. |
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You're saying that it is alright for Duncan to take revenge because he isn't a nice person?
| Brodoin15 wrote: | ||||
You're saying that it is alright for Duncan to take revenge because he isn't a nice person?
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