If you recall, and please watch the episode again since your facts are faulty, Courtney had no choice but to carry the cart since Justin wasn't constructing the body and their tires were destroyed by Owen. Without tires, that kart isn't going to run. Period. You would have to carry it.

Oh, so now Chris set up the challenge between Duncan and Courtney so that Courtney would win? Prove it. Wait, you can't, because if you did, you would have provided more then just your lame opinion. Duncan and Courtney were the last two competitors. Further, the only reason they could only use one column was that the other was destroyed by the beavers. I'm willing to agree that Chris liked the sick twisted amusement of pitting the two against each other, but it's not because Courtney could win. After all, if you recall later in the episode, Chris wanted to see Courtney get hurt, and he made a big deal about making sure everyone knew she had an unfair advantage. Why would he do that if he wanted her to win?

Duncan was NOT willing to pull a Trent in "Million Dollar Babies." He states in the episode that he won't do it because of Trent and Gwen. And he still wrestled her, which should further hammer the point that Duncan is trying to win.

The reason Courtney got a larger bone is because Lindsay. a Killer Grip, won the challenge and made fire. Because of this, all Killer Grips got larger bones. Courtney is a Killer Grip. You are just really going out of your way to demonize Courtney. Jeez, why don't you just look at the facts.

Actually, after "BC" no one was talking about her perks. Beth took her PDA, everyone agreed to use it to see Leshawna's insults, Duncan trusted it to help in the spy challenges, but no one complained about Courtney getting perks.

Do us a favor, and start using the facts to back up your opinions rather then conspiracy theories.

Let's put it this way:

Harold is good in TDI, Courtney is good in TDA

Both have been given a chance at redemtion and to prove that neither one is useless. That's that.

I'm simply not bashing Courtney, just giving points to back up in my defense over Harold. As much as I loathe Courtney with a burning passion, I try to be as fair in my arguments as I possibly can. Courtney's doing well this season, but even in TDA, it's hard for me to give her credit seeing as she has a lawsuit as a safety net. She has accomplished some of the chalenges on her own, but even between breaks, she's been trying to call her lawyers to either get her out of things or to make sure that no one but herself wins the million dollar prize. And even with all the out-of-office replies that she recieves, Courtney would rather call Michael, use her brain second. With all the out-of-office replies that she's getting, Courtney then has no choice but to use her brain to get her out of situations, which is not what makes a good competitor. Harold on the other hand, has proven that he could work well in both team challenges and individual challenges. He has proven that he could work well under any circumstance, whether it is at his own pace or under pressure and he knows just as well that he were in any kind of danger, he could come up with creative ways to get out of it.

Secondly, even in the new season, it's pretty close between Courtney and Harold. Here are my justifications on that:

Harold originally ended up getting chosen to compete in the new season, not Courtney. In TDDDDI, Chris set up a challenge for the twenty-two campers to find a suitcase with a million dollars inside. In the end, fourteen contestants landed in the water which happened to be the given destination of the challenge. Chris then said that fourteen of those contestants were then chosen to compete in the new season. One of those contestants was Harold, not Courtney.

While Harold was chosen to compete, Courtney went out of her way to file a case to be on the show. If Chris failed to let her on the show, the show would have been sued. This is unfair.

Courtney was granted immunity for her first week back. Yes, Owen costed the challenge by having the wheels burnt. Courtney however leaded the team and even though Owen costed more of the challenge, Courtney was the next in line voted off since Owen was liked. But since Courtney was granted immunity from her lawsuit, the others had no choice but to vote Owen off. This isn't considered unfair since Owen ruined the challenge. My point is that if it weren't for being granted invincibility, she would have been voted off.

While the others have to settle for eating Chef's gruel, sleeping in the same trailer and sharing the same bathroom, Courtney is given a gourment dining menu every episode, a private bathroom, a comforter, a phone to contact Michael and a PDA (with built in GPS). Being well fed and kept usually helps athletes stay better focused and in top shape to compete better.

Courtney has done well in challenges. Unfortunately, there are a couple of drawbacks to her accomplishing this:

- Courtney has proven that she can't work well under certain conditions. She needs pampering, contact with the outside world, gourment dining, etc...

- Courtney has shown that she has the raw physical skill to win individual challenge, but lacks working in team challenges.

Harold has also done well in challenges...

- He has proven that he could work well any circumstance (is able to get productive)

- He is both a good competitor and a team player

- He's morally just. He could set things aside to assist other people and still stay better focused in challenges

- He posesses the same amount of good leadership skills as Courtney

While Courtney may be beating him in challenges this season, Harold still manages to come pretty close. And like algaesian says, the show is not all about challenge performances. While it is a major part of this show, you need other types of skills and knowledge to balance you out as a competitor. Courtney may have physical strength, which is something that Harold lacks, that is all she has. It's useful, but it won't always help you get by. You need brains and brawn.

(Sorry for the double post)

By the way, even if the Grips were to have the wheels for the challenge. I agree that it would have ran better, but it doesn't neccessarily mean that the Grips would have won. Seeing that Duncan had building experience andthe cart was built a little more stirdier, the race still would have been close.

Personally, I think the fact that Harold is willing to save everyone's lives in that one episode, including Heather and Duncan, not to mention giving Duncan and Heather another chance, while on the other hand Courtney is willing to turn on anyone, and was even willing to kill Tyler, Cody, Owen and DJ for the million dollars make Harold better.

Not even mentioning challenges in which he has won, or came close to winning.

Personally, I think that this thread should be locked because this argument has been going on for a long time. It's been going on for 16 pages worth and both parties have not reached an agreement or a compromise. Plus we've gone way off-track with this argument, when the real thing that we should be discussing about is whether Harold deserves to be picked on or not.

On a side note, though: I think Justin will make it to the final 6, maybe a little past that. I agree with you HaydenAvery that Justin is starting to have more villainous tendencies, suggesting on voting off the girls. It's not exactly considered evil since Duncan had the idea last season but for Justin, it's a step up. I think that the writers have run out of stuff to write about Justin, so I think he'll go soon. I predict he'll last between the final 6 to the final 3.

Personally, I don't hate Courtney. She's not a favourite, and I do like Harold better, but I don't hate her.

Like a friend of mine said, it seems as if someone likes Harold, some people automatically place him/her as hating Courtney, and vice versa.

In case this is locked, I will post a on-topic post.

Harold does not deserve to be picked on anymore. Granted, some revenge on him by Courtney and maybe Duncan is understandable, but now, it should stop. Harold should not need to apologize for his revenge taking, as Duncan never apologized for his torments. Harold even seemed willing to forgive Duncan in one episode of TDI, as he accepted his apology and took the "juice" which was also a prank of a cup of grease. He seemed to forgive him again in TDA. Courtney and Duncan had their revenge. You cannot expect Harold to apologize, when Duncan and Courtney never apologized for anything they did to hime before Harold took his revenge.

Now, I don't agree with revenge taking, but you wouldn't apologize to a bully for taking revenge on him, would you? Of course not.

Besides, it is technically Duncan's fault for the whole thing. If he wasn't a bully that felt the need to pick on him, Harold never would have felt the need to take revenge on Duncan. It may be indirectly, but it was still Duncan's doing that caused the whole thing.

Courtney's lawsuit is not a safety net: Chris has out and out stated she can be voted off.

As for calling Michael, please recall that it is a tactic that works: She got back on the show because of him. Courtney is merely using a weapon to it's best advantage, which is what anyone does on these sorts of shows. At least, they do if they want to win. The fact that Courtney is willing to use a proven tactic doesn't make her inferior. By contrast, Harold really hasn't shown that sort of power. He's taken a backseat to Duncan as far as the challenges are concerned: bombed horribly in Beach Blanket Bogus, was picked last for the teams, and the list goes on.

The fact that Harold was on a certain side of the dock was mere chance. Everyone merely got dragged along. Harold did not plan on this; it cannot be counted to his favor.

Actually, the show WAS used, it was not a threat. Courtney successfully brought a lawsuit against the show and was brought back, and garnered some hefty rewards for it. Without seeing the lawsuit, how can one say that Chris gave her extra perks merely to avoid being sued again, or if they were rewards in addition because her position was terminated unsuccessfully.

As for Owen's elimination, she was told about immunity, and knew about it, before the voting ever happened. She could do anything she wanted because she knew she was invincible. I'll agree it was tactless, but it's not a show of weakness.

Where, exactly, does Courtney prove she needs gourmet conditions. She's covered in mud after the football drills like every other camper, wrestling in a kiddy ball pit that hasn't been cleaned ever filled with dirty diapers and small children, covered in a stink bomb, soaking in a tomato juice bath. For someone who "requires" high-class conditions, she certainly doesn't need them to still bring it in challenges.

As for team challenges, these challenges are individual challenges. Quite literally, she hasn't shown ability for or against that statement, since the only team challenge she was in was racing the go-kart, which failed due to Justin and Owen.

Harold has not shown he can work well under "any" circumstance: He didn't do well against the monster, he was out first by the alien, he bombed the surfing challenge, he couldn't deal with the seagulls, roping Owen was hardly a victory considering Owen could barely move, he was knocked unconscious by Gwen, manipulated by Leshawna, his ghost trap doesn't scare anyone, his "victory" during the war was by sheer luck considering he could barely see. Break down their individual contributions to the challenges, and Duncan, not Harold, is the superior camper. Harold lost many times, certainly moreso then the one victory he actually had during the submarine challenge.

Courtney certainly has enough brains if she's won all of these challenges thus far. Ignoring the part where she manipulated Duncan, she did navigate an entire laser grid by herself.

And as for TDI, this has been hammered into the dirt a hundred times. Breaking down the challenges proves Courtney to be the superior competitor, each and every time. Harold cost the team far worse than she ever did (Up The Creek, where he burned the canoe oars.)

Duncan being a bully does not excuse Harold. At all. Nothing justifys cheating, particularly to someone who hasn't done anything to you.