Its great to have various views and for you to express your devotion over here on the ICarly board. I was a pretty hard core HM fan too but things bugged me. Miley seemed be snooty and self involved. I adored Emily Mitchell and Jason and still do and I always felt the show was strong based on group comedy with the kids at the center, not just being a show about adoring Miley.

Her relationship with her dad always creeped me out and the more photos I see like the one in Vogue only makes me more creeped out. HM would have been a better show without Billie Ray on camera at all.

I think a lot of the new and excited ICarly fans are HM refugees. ICarly has that freshness, good humor and cuteness that is what made HM great. But HM became too dominated by redneck comedy tour humor and has been adults filling up the epis and pushing out the kids. That is why I am now a die hard ICarly fan and would not watch an HM epi for good pay.

I totally agree with you. While I have not watched every epi of every Schneider show, if you look at them, most of the kids that are on his shows go on to good things and don't end up in scandals like somebody I could name (but won't). Yes I know there was the Jamie Spears pregnancy but that wasn't like a big public nudity thing or something. It was something private that happened to her and she dealt with it with her family which is as it should be.

Also most of the Schneider shows I have followed seem to retain their freshness and fun for as long as they are on the air. The shows in the last year are just as cute as the first year. Dan knows how to take care of his performers and keep his shows on the right track. He also knows how to keep his kids out of trouble and that means his shows can retain their parent approval for a long time. If all of that is true, then we are in for a nice long run for ICarly.

Totally. I mean look at Amanda Bynes. Every teen star should go to her for advice. She never got in any scandals or got nasty pics of her floated on the internet. She is still making great TV and movies and she is still a role model for younger girls. Amanda can show the rest of the girls how it should be done.

I can't say I never watch HM anymore. Sometimes I do if they are the early ones where the humor was funny and the show had energy and was fresh. But I prefer ICarly and other Dan Schneider shows now.

I also only occasionally go to the HM or Miley Cyrus boards. But I spend more time on these boards any more. The topics are for the most part more interesting here and for the most part, the people and ops more freindly.

The Jackson character is worth watching. Jason is a seriously funny guy and he could carry a show all by himself. But yeah, if a HM centers on Miley and her dad or other adults, ibe gonebe.

I found how controlling the editors were on HM and the Miley boards so impossible to deal with that being a refugee seemed the best way to handle them. Just like boycotting insulting or controlling threads here is my way of handling heavy handed personalities. Seeing how poorly the HM boards are managed only makes you grateful we have a good new editor here on ICarly so we can still enjoy fun discussions without getting a TOS warning any time we want to explore a new idea.

No question that Jason, Emily and Mitchel are the real talents of HM. It is easy to wish those three could be spun off into a show of their own. But it would be an older version of HM without Hannah and tha may not be up Disney's alley. Maybe they could jump ship and become refugees to Nick like we are. Just think what a great show could be put together with their talents and Dan Schneiders writing and producing. It would kick rump and take names.