I REALLY dispise this new set up! any way. What Ax means is raw firebending- the techniques and fighting ability, not necessarily their potentential power.

Ax- "If you're going to argue that Zuko holding his own against Aang initially made them equal, then I would respond that at the very begining of the fight, Azula easily fended off Katara's attacks."

huh???? I dont quite understand your comment lol Azula was incapacitated and needed Zuko to save her. And if i remember correctly Zuko was only knocked back when Aang made air version of himself after which Zuko blew him away with huge fireblast and THEN freed Azula.

AGAIN Azula didnt knock aang out in one blow. IF you mean when he was dumb enough to armour himself with crystals and charge her (COM ON AANG?!) after he was hit he got back up when Katara was hit by double blast from Zuko and Azula. AND as i said to Isabel (i think?) If you count Azula being sneaky and hitting him in back, then you have to count when Zuko did same to Katara (except there she actually tried to block and failed). Personally i see Azuala's out of the blue attack (haha get it lol lightning ) as lower than ZUko's rather obvious melting ice and charging an attack at Katara which she then failed to block.

Ax- "Exactly. That is why Azula beats Zuko. They are dead equal as benders, but Azula beats Zuko because she out-thinks him. Without friends, Zuko would have died in TBR and TSR."

WHAT??? How so? Zuko blocked all her attacks easily in BR without resorting to fire and spent most of time defending Sokka. Are you refering to Ty-lee then helping- because thats not exactly fair if you then remove Zukos to try and prove point. Also as Gilvatar said- Azula and Ty-lee retreated BEFORE the lines were cut (Again not their choice for them to be cut and NOT part of battle) and Mai interrupted. There was no out-thinking in that battle. In southern Raiders their was some planning which came from fact that she was prepared for fight, but Gaangwasnt. As previously said, which ive got Gilvatar backing on , Azula had the higher ground and was on a BLO*ODY blimp supposably out of reach of an Attack on her (sucked in Azula ) and Azula was lucky enough to be closer to the wall and we do not know wether Zuko would have tried to reach it like Azula because he was rescued before Azula attempted it.

"....BUT, Azula doesn't ACTUALLY need potential when it comes to wiping the floor with Zuko... They are the young version of Ozai and Iroh... Ozai was visibly better than Iroh, but Iroh is STILL great... That's the same with Azula and Zuko..."

"And I don't think you should be bringing "What if's?" into this either... They are who they are, and Azula is the more talented bender... And even if Zuko was older than Azula... age doesn't mean squat when you are a Firebending prodigy, master and legend all in one... Age doesn't mean anything in bending .... prodigy vs someone ten years older than them wouldn't really mean much..."

"If Zuko has had the extra years of experience, (for what it's worth, he hasn't had THAT much more experience than Azula has), how come Azula always owns him...? Experience doesn't really mean anything, it helps, and gives you some sort of an advantage, but Zuko is going to need so much more than a couple years more experience to ever be as good as The Queen of blue fire..."

Okay first off WHEN has Azula wiped the floor with Zuko apart from first battle on the show! And No as i said before- in the Chase Zuko actually put up a good fight against her and she couldnt knock him out UNTIL he fell through the floor. WOuld Azula have won back then? I believe yes BUUUUT ZUko would have put up a good fight. After that, again as been said before, ZUko has been on an equal par with her in S3 fights. IF there had been a CROD fight ZUko would have put up even more of a fight shown by his new techniques and, though he hadnt tried it yet but if he can do it with ozai it prob worked,redirecting lightning

The jist of your other posts above was that Experience would count for nothing. Before i get to contridiction, IF Zuko, as you said with not too much more experience (i think more than that due to 3 years in the field) can challenge her so well then a older Zuko with same potential would have been equal again or more likely better! I brought this up to show my experience point i had mentioned NOT a what if. You mention Ozai and Iroh being older versions but then say Ozai has more potential than Iroh, though Iroh great, to prove point that experience doesnt count???? EVEN IF OZai had more potential, NEEEEVVVER said, Iroh has YEARS maybe decades of more experience in the battle field. Like Azula, for all we know Ozai never left the country! The two are more likely equal, LIKE ZUK/AZUL, because Ozai is younger but Iroh has experience PLUS healthier source of power.

NOW contridiction-

Whoa, stop there, EVERYONE knows Ozai and Iroh are the top two Firebenders, I never said she was as powerful as them (Although the fact that they are both DECADES older than her and the fact that she can rival them at age fourteen, deserves merit). When did I say Azula was the most powerful Firebender? All I have said, is that she is more powerful than Zuko, I am perfectly aware that she probably won't reach Ozai or Iroh's levels until she is a young woman (Around the age of twenty)... That is why I have said she is in the top three for best Firebenders (Ozai is first (or he was first), Iroh is second, and Azula is third...), she is a young girl, I know she isn't in either of those two people's leagues... She is the THIRD best Firebender in the world... When did I even say she DID know everything?

SOooo your giving merit that to Azula for "maaaybeeeee" rivaling Ozai and Iroh because they have more Experience?!?! But i thought that didnt count? sooo whereas before you said she didnt need potential to help her, here she definitely does (because Ozai and Iroh as you said are top two FB)? But they're older version of Zuk/Azul right? So how can she wipe floor with Zuko without her potential then, ignoring fact that she never did in S3 (or in Chase).

I never said that you said she was as powerful as Ozai and Iroh or most powerful. But guess what! I believe that with what we have been shown she IS potentially the most powerful!!!! yep, even during comet neither Ozai, ZUko, or Iroh produce blue fire. As fact she can do this at age 14 is incredible impresive and id like to say your 2nd comment has merit in that it should count against Ozai and Iroh, buuut as potential. As such, with Zuko's level of potential and his experience i believer he is atleast her equal.

The reason OZai and Iroh would beat her imo is because of their experience. Both have less potential than her, but have years to master their abilities.

"Azula draws her power from a bad place, but I don't think it's unhealthy... Only three people draw their power from the original source, so if the way she Firebends is unhealthy, then I guess the majority of the Fire Nation citizens are unhealthy... She was still smarter than him, when she was insane AND when she was drawing her power from a less powerful source... There are no what if's?... If there were, I could say, what if, Azula knew the way of The Dragons aswell? And then I could make my arguments a lot easier, because everyone knows Zuko would die..."

ALso again i bring up sources of power again. Iroh and Zuko is from within the light side (obi wan and luke), whilst ozai and azula is in dark (Sideous and Vadar). BUT that doesnt mean Ozai and Azula get their power from same place. I put the comparisons in the brackets in that order comparing them to the people. Heres the thing, Azula is Vadar before the accident because her power is from greed, fear and LOVE. She loves her father and craves (needs) for his attention, and without it she goes unblanced. Like Jeong Jeong said "firebenders live on razors edge between control and madness". He fear consumes her and becomes paranoia. The reason also why she doesnt finish ppl off is because of her greed; she has to savour the moment. What makes her different from Ozai is that Ozai greed outways his love. However, i do bring up point that she wasnt "insane"- insane is where u have little control on yourself, your completely unrelient and deluded. Azula was not "insane", unstable yes, but not insane. She was able to fight ZUko incredibly well (though ZUko was winning), plan an attack around his defences and create and aim lightning. If Zuko wasnt able to do that as a sane person with innerconflict, how would an insane Azula do it?

Why arent others so unhealthy- well first there's Zhao and also have person who killed Katara mum (i thought they would go with the redeemed thing). But as i said above- Jeong Jeong said FB are all on razor's edge. ALso i think its the varying sources again and how powerful the bender it- the more fuel the wilder the fire could be, more fire and the more control you need

It sholud also be noted that ZUko endured WORSE that Azula! To him he lost his home, heritage, honor, love of his father (thou he had little) and was even scarred by him and banished, but before which he endured throughout he's life as a disappointment to his father! and thats before he was branded a traitor. He, as i said previously, was close to where Azula was but he had better control on himself and focus on the Avatar. As such, when he accepted that he didnt need his fathers love and approval, that he can earn his own honour he didnt need to capture the Avatar any more and lost his firebending. His focus, like Ozai's on power, kept him from madness, but without needin it he couldnt bend anymore. What the good source brought to him was the ability to produce fire not from control of his anger and rage, but instead from happyness and life. The result is that Zuko of BR and onwards had better control of his abilities and was calmer, more focused. This is why i believe that he was "better" than Azuala (though equal firebenders in technique and power ratio), because with his experience, new power source and own potential he was a better, calmer fighter and person. Its reason i was annoyed that we never got a clear fight with them- BR and SR had environmently issues and interverence, and when they had a clear fight we had Azula unstable (with some thinking insane) and again interverence (Katara).

Righto back to work

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