I was speaking of the TDI Special, when she told Tyler, Cody, DJ and Owen to give her the box, or she'll let them fall off the hot air baloon.

Show me where I said Courtney isn't a sociopath. That has nothing to do with anything. We're discussing Harold. You people need to stop making assumptions and stick with the facts.

God, you people are the thickest group around. Why can't you just stick to what is written on the page, and not just spout random assumptions that have no basis in anything I have said. Nowhere did I claim Courtney wasn't cruel or a sociopath. And I've said it over a dozen times. I have stated that so are the other campers. None of you Harold lovers have actually shown to justify Harold being a "protagonist." Yeah, you say it a lot, but you've yet to provide a single shred of evidence to support it.

And I suggest you read up on sociopathy. It has nothing to do with murder, it's an inability to consider the feelings of others when you make your decisions. Harold fits that to a T.

What do I call it? A cruel, deliberate and malicious act designed to make someone suffer. How, exactly would Harold have known Duncan would stop bullying him? Courtney wasn't close to Duncan until the Hell Week challenge, and Duncan punked him beforehand.

Defending yourself would be Harold blocking an attack from Duncan, maybe a mousetrap in his drawer the next time Duncan rummages for a prank. That specifically has something to do with the pranking, insomuch as if Duncan doesn't prank him, nothing happens to him. That's the definition of "defense", it's not proactive. Harold's cheating was proactive.

It's irrelevant because we're not discussing whether or not Beth is more or less virtuous than Courtney, we're arguing whether Beth is a "protagonist" or not. Courtney is irrevelant.

Clearly, Courtney had a leg to stand on regarding the vote-off if she sued the show to get onto it successfully. Chris simply didn't care. Or maybe he wanted Harold to suffer the carnage when he got voted off because he "likes nasty" and enjoys torturing the campers. Who knows. My arguments still stands. Yours don't.

I've answered every question you've posed. Now how about you actually stick to the topic and startshowing where other characters are somehow virtuous.

I've answered the discussion just fine, you just go off on random anti-Courtney points.

And, I can't believe I have to answer this yet again (it's been about a dozen times now). I have never, not once, justified Courtney's behavior aside from saying "she plays the game, she's trying to win the prize, as that is the purpose of the show." Everyone here likes to whine and moan and go off into "Harold is a protagonist" points. We argued the dodgeball game, and then you decided to go off and discuss the other episodes. Then, you people start talking about how Courtney is all evil, and I bring up that all the characters are evil, Beth being a prime example. But you people just whine and moan and say Courtney's worse without ever acknowledging Beth's flaws.

Wise up, because I'm honestly sick of repeating myself.

Wait a second: First of all, my other points were just responses to another person. They were not intended for you. Secondly, we're not the ones whining about Courtney. Courtney's the one whose been whining about everything on the show, and quite frankly, we're getting sick and tired of it. Thirdly, you are getting way too defensive about Courtney. You're willing to go the extra mile for penalizing Beth and Lindsay who have done these things for the sake of revenge against Courtney, or you penalize them for making minor mistakes. However, you somehow have no problem excusing Courtney for everything she's done. And I can't beleive that I have yet to repeat myself again. I have acknowledged both Beth's actions and Courtney's feelings. I've said this about at least three times: I said that what Beth has done was wrong, but I provided this action with a justified response. I also repeated myself countless times of all the things Courtney has done to everybody and has never once shown any remorse towards it. Also, I have no idea where you get off saying that Lindsay is evil. Like, seriously. Lindsay is unintelligent, unaware, gullible and absentminded. Just because she said some things to Courtney doesn't automatically signify her being malevolent or evil. Lindsay told Courtney that she stinks. Okay, not neccessary to say, but keep in mind that she was yet again telling the truth and didn't expect Courtney to get defensive. This being because they both went to a cheese factory and therefore they both smelled bad. Courtney could have obviously responded back to her by saying "You stink, too" instead of the additional commentary. And even after she got back at her by insulting her, Courtney still had the nerve to insult Lindsay after the first part of the challenge. Lindsay told her that no one liked her. Again, this wasn't intended to tick Courtney off, this was what she believed seeing how nasty Courtney was acting towards everybody.

You keep going on and on saying how evil Beth and Lindsay are. And then when I try to explain how vicious Courtney is, you basically dodge the bullet. If anything, I'm just as sick of having to repeat myself as you are.

No problem.

Yes, I can pretty much see what alagaeian is saying. This first started off as a Courtney vs. Harold, which slowly evolved into a discussion of ethics. And here's what I'm thinking: Yes, arguments and debates have facts, but part of it is also about opinion, which is why so many people tend to disagree with the other.

So Courtney whines. Big deal. Lindsay whines about no one listening to her, Harold whines that Duncan picks on him. Sick of it? Fine, but that doesn't make her evil.

And, yet again, I must repeat myself. The only justification I ever made for Courtney, ever, is that she is playing the game. You manipulate people, you trick them, you do what it takes to get them kicked off and you stay on. This is in contrast to Beth, who stole Courtney's PDA for her personal use. No strategy involved. I've never said Courtney was virtuous or a protagonist or anything like that. That's why I'm not arguing: I agree Courtney's ruthless. However, as I've stated, ruthless is not evil.

And yet, Courtney too, tells the truth about Lindsay, who stinks as well, that she doesn't like her, or that Owen cost the team. Why then, is Lindsay virtuous and Courtney evil? Courtney, at least, talked about people after she met them. Further, Courtney insulted Lindsay for something that was, again, the truth: Wonder Woman already existed.