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    misterham

    [1]Oct 3, 2006
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    boomy said "i'm the most powerful earthbender you'll ever meet", but toph with her senses and everything makes her pretty powerful too. plus, she's a great bender. who do you think would win in a fight?

    and for future reference, how do you make a poll?
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    niceguyposer

    [2]Oct 3, 2006
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    As of right now, Bumi would beat Toph.?? Toph's still just a kid and has about 1/10 of the experience Bumi has.?? Once Bumi dies and Toph gets older and stronger, she'll be the most powerful Earthbender on the show.
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    karatewolfpunk

    [3]Oct 3, 2006
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    I think Bumi is, CRAZY BEATS ALL!!!!
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    KilalaRose

    [4]Oct 3, 2006
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    as much as i like Toph, i'd have to say Bumi would win just because he has more experience
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    SatelliteFusion

    [5]Oct 3, 2006
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    Bumi would crush Toph.
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    misterham

    [6]Oct 3, 2006
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    but toph fought and easily beat all the best earthbenders in her city. and she was the champion of that earthbending competition multiple times. doesn't that count as enough experience?
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    KilalaRose

    [7]Oct 3, 2006
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    misterham wrote:
    but toph fought and easily beat all the best earthbenders in her city. and she was the champion of that earthbending competition multiple times. doesn't that count as enough experience?
    Bumi is 100 and something years old, probably 112 like Aang, but since he wasn't frozen...yeah. so, he has A LOT more experience
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    tc2r

    [8]Oct 3, 2006
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    imo, bumi beat Aang

    or rather, he let them "tie", a stick to the face would hurt alot, but being crushed under 1ton of rock would hurt alot more... or alot less depending on how you look at it. bumi was onestep ahead of Aang.

    Bumi would abuse her blindness, plus i think he'd win on account of raw power. I'm still wondering what that mad genius is doing "letting" himself get captured... lol

    Toph is strong, make no mistake, but Bumi is on a whole nother lvl. think of it like Zuki/Azule*sp?* and then their father, the firelord. (who i'm guessing would mop the floor with em)
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    Spike815

    [9]Oct 3, 2006
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    I think Bumi is much stronger than than Toph. He has 100 years more experiance, and he didn't lose to Aang. Sure Toph beat all those big earth benders, but Bumi got to be king. (how many people do you think he had to fight to get that?)
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    sluggmunki_tx

    [10]Oct 3, 2006
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    My vote is on Bumi.
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    whiteforest

    [11]Oct 3, 2006
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    KilalaRose wrote:
    as much as i like Toph, i'd have to say Bumi would win just because he has more experience


    And, he's a mad genius. Toph is very powerful, but Bumi's older, wiser, and c'mon, he can make a wave out of earth! He could even earthbend in a coffin, but when Toph and Aang were kidnapped, they were contained in a similar coffin-like structure with their faces exposed, but Toph couldn't earthbend like Bumi could.
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    misterham

    [12]Oct 3, 2006
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    their heads weren't able to stick out of the coffin and move
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    sly4me

    [13]Oct 3, 2006
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    Bumi's a??beast. One that can't be beat by any other earthbender.
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    Falcondude123

    [14]Oct 3, 2006
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    tc2r wrote:
    imo, bumi beat Aang

    or rather, he let them "tie", a stick to the face would hurt alot, but being crushed under 1ton of rock would hurt alot more... or alot less depending on how you look at it. bumi was onestep ahead of Aang.

    Bumi would abuse her blindness, plus i think he'd win on account of raw power. I'm still wondering what that mad genius is doing "letting" himself get captured... lol

    Toph is strong, make no mistake, but Bumi is on a whole nother lvl. think of it like Zuki/Azule*sp?* and then their father, the firelord. (who i'm guessing would mop the floor with em)


    Yeah I kinda wonder why this super powerful earthbender king dude ever got captured and is now using "nuetral" gi, whatever that means. I'm pretty sure he'll die of old age before he ever get's free. I guess he's called a "MAD" genius for a reason.

    As far as bumi vs. toph, logically toph should lose, but the old giser might have a heart attack or something.
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    JonathonWolf

    [15]Oct 3, 2006
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    Bumi would win because he recognizes that it is better to capitalize on your opponents mistake than to risk making a mistake yourself. Toph was able to beat everyone because they were showing off. They used big motions to give the impression of power or they were trying to use powerful techniques to show off strength. Toph was able to use small and simple techniques that capitalized on openings and broke their techniques. Bumi has shown himself able to use small techniques to create large effects similar in a way to how Bruce Lee was able to hold a raw egg in his hand while doing his 1-inch punch and send people flying without breaking the egg.

    As far as allowing himself to be captured, Bumi may be allowing his captors to gain a false sense of security. He needed to put himself in a position where he could find the Fire Nation's weak spot and be in a position to take advantage of it. If someone can take massive amounts of hits, but has a glass jaw; you don't waste your energy attacking him over and over. You try to get him into a position where his weakness is exposed and put all your energy into striking that weakness.
    Edited on 10/03/2006 8:55pm
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    misterham

    [16]Oct 3, 2006
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    those men weren't showing off when they were holding aang captive
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    JonathonWolf

    [17]Oct 3, 2006
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    misterham wrote:
    those men weren't showing off when they were holding aang captive


    Showing off is kind of a poor choice of words for me.?? They were going more for power instead of finesse.?? A lot of young fightes, myself included, tend to try to overwhelm their opponent with speed or power.?? An older fighter will wait for you to make your move so they can use your momentum or any flaw in your technique against you.?? Performing any move creates an opening.?? A punch will leave that entire side open because your energy and mind are focused on the action of performing the punch.?? Most of those fighters were taking stances in big sweeping motions that left most of their weight on a single foot.?? Their intent was to provide more power in stomps where they might have been less open to counterattack by sliding their feet into the stand and then stomping a heel when settling into the stance to provide the focus for projecting a rock.?? They just had a lot of tells that Toph was able to capitalize on.
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    niceguyposer

    [18]Oct 3, 2006
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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    those men weren't showing off when they were holding aang captive


    Showing off is kind of a poor choice of words for me.?? They were going more for power instead of finesse.?? A lot of young fightes, myself included, tend to try to overwhelm their opponent with speed or power.?? An older fighter will wait for you to make your move so they can use your momentum or any flaw in your technique against you.?? Performing any move creates an opening.?? A punch will leave that entire side open because your energy and mind are focused on the action of performing the punch.?? Most of those fighters were taking stances in big sweeping motions that left most of their weight on a single foot.?? Their intent was to provide more power in stomps where they might have been less open to counterattack by sliding their feet into the stand and then stomping a heel when settling into the stance to provide the focus for projecting a rock.?? They just had a lot of tells that Toph was able to capitalize on.

    Yeah, to paraphrase Toph, never put all of your strength into a single blow. Contrary to media depiction, it's near impossible to knock out an opponent with a single blow. And the mark of a skilled martial artist is the ability to minimize the number of openings the opponent could exploit. This includes evenly distributing one's weight when assuming a fighting stance and always keeping one arm poised to defend. One could assess Toph's ability by simply observing her stance and her maintenance of balance. Must've been mighty humiliating for those Earthbenders to lose to a 12 year-old blind girl.
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    wrecklass

    [19]Oct 4, 2006
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    misterham wrote:
    but toph fought and easily beat all the best earthbenders in her city. and she was the champion of that earthbending competition multiple times. doesn't that count as enough experience?
    Uh, no. Any combat veteran will tell you that good in training is not good in real battle. Bumi seems to have a great deal of experience in both. I suspect that when push comes to shove the 'mad genius' would win easily against the blind earthbender.

    However, Toph would learn a lot from Bumi in any case, and a rematch might go the other way.
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    BiSheng

    [20]Oct 4, 2006
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    Toph would win. Why? Because she would know exactly what Bumi was doing, and Toph is the single best equipped character to defeat an earthbender.

    Toph???s "vision" is through earthbending, so she sees the ground and all things in contact with it. She would know exactly what move Bumi was performing and with how much power the moment he started it. Also Toph is largely self thought, hence the different style of martial arts her form is based on (Southern Praying Mantis vs. the normal Hung Gar). Therefore Bumi would have no experience fighting her style, in which case his years of experience might prove a hindrance rather than an asset. On Toph side, she has plenty of experience fighting the best Hung Gar style earthbenders in existence with her tournament fighting. Bumi might be able to defeat her, but it would have to be some kind of "Mad Genius" trick (like flooding the area where the fight takes place with water) rather than though straight earthbending skill.

    Also, any experienced fighter will tell you that the two hardest opponent???s to defend against are those who have more training than you (larger repertoire, more experience) and those who have no training at all (since it is impossible to predict what they are going to do, and therefore mount the right defense). Toph falls into both of these categories, in a way. She does not perform the expected moves (Hung Gar), and she has trained herself extensively.

    Finally consider that in a fight, sometimes it comes down to luck; a single lucky hit, while not likely to end a fight, could change its course.
    Edited on 10/04/2006 12:34am
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