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    misterham

    [41]Oct 4, 2006
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    oh yeah. you make a good point with the wasps

    and if toph makes an earth shield, bumi could always bend it to her disadvantage

    but how did toph know the guy was coming from a rope and how did she catch rocks that people sent at her?

    and why can't she find out what someone looks like by poking their face when she can find out that a boat is buried underground when she kicked it?
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    BiSheng

    [42]Oct 4, 2006
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    tc2r wrote:
    BiSheng wrote:
    To tc2r (I got tired of the huge quote):

    Sorry I didn't realise that was you at number 29, but you didn't refute my point and it still stands.

    I have a question; are you saying that Toph could never win against Bumi? Because my stance is not nearly so rigid. I would just give Toph greater odds of winning: 60/40 in favor.

    Also, you should change your icon; nothing screams noobee like that ginger puppet you got now. I realize the way to change it is down, but I recommend a change at the first opportunity.


    I'm saying 1 on 1 as things stand now, Bumi would whip the floor with Toph. even with all of her "advantages" she is not on his lvl. Now don't get me wrong, not many are on her level of experince, but as far as experince, fights, battles, teaching, PERFECTING, bumi has had 100 years to work on all of this. in his words " you will never meet a more powerful earthbender." (or something like that (i suck with quotes)). also, understand that the reason she "felt" those projectiles in the blind bandit (the rocks ppl threw at her) was because of the huge extravagent "tv wrestling" movements the benders themselves made, it's like, if you were to swing your arm at me in a "pitching" motion, I would know and react to moving LONG before I saw what the object you were "throwing" was. we do this all the time with are eyes, she's just able to do it with earthbending. However, if a SKILLEd earthbender who isn't trying to show off was to launch rocks airborne, I doubt she'd be able to trace their movements. due to the fact that the opponent (bumi) wouldn't "lead" his moves.

    also I've been here for a year now and I just liked observing ^_^ I'm fine with my icon the way it wishes to be, those who prejudge aren't worth my time and suck anyway (therefore their opinion becomes void). and if they go "noob" I tell them as I'm about to tell you. Look at how old my account is. ^_^

    give Toph more experince and yeah she'd be on par with Bumi... someday. But as of now, if they were to go one on one, I think he'd win.
    your welcome to that thought, but I respectfully disagree. The wrestlers in the ring did have some style flairs, but it was a completely serious fight; if they didn't win, they didn't get paid (unlike the WWE, they wern't actors). Look at the Chase for an outside example: Mai, who's specialty is projectiles and is therefore unlikely to have tells, threw darts at Toph. Toph was able to sense the projectiles coming and took evasive action. The projectiles weren't even from earthbending! Toph is not that easily defeated.

    And I wasn't disparaging you, I was just trying to be helpful. I bow to your wisdom and restraint.
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    DPhomegurl

    [43]Oct 4, 2006
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    karatewolfpunk wrote:
    I think Bumi is, CRAZY BEATS ALL!!!!
    YEAH!
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    tc2r

    [44]Oct 4, 2006
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    BiSheng wrote:

    give Toph more experince and yeah she'd be on par with Bumi... someday. But as of now, if they were to go one on one, I think he'd win.
    your welcome to that thought, but I respectfully disagree. The wrestlers in the ring did have some style flairs, but it was a completely serious fight; if they didn't win, they didn't get paid (unlike the WWE, they wern't actors). Look at the Chase for an outside example: Mai, who's specialty is projectiles and is therefore unlikely to have tells, threw darts at Toph. Toph was able to sense the projectiles coming and took evasive action. The projectiles weren't even from earthbending! Toph is not that easily defeated.

    And I wasn't disparaging you, I was just trying to be helpful. I bow to your wisdom and restraint.[/QUOTE]

    Um I love an intelligent debate and all, no need for bowing and stuff. btw as far as those projectiles and mei go, ppl are debating that in a whole nother forum because noone can make any decent proof one way or the other about how she could have known about the projectiles. so far (and i've been keeping loose contact of the thread) people are starting to agree that she wasn't trying to actually dodge the darts, but was just elevating herself in order to get out of the situation they were in, and that it was a conicedence. my person opinioin is that it's a fault of the writings and until they explain it, i have no person opinion (try grasping that^_^) *bows back to one who is just as wise and restraintful* also, why do you think bumi would be as easy to defeat as the rest of those "chumps" that toph beat at the earth rumble?
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    metalcurtainrod

    [45]Oct 4, 2006
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    Toph vs. Buhmi...in bed

    Woops! Wrong thread!

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    JonathonWolf

    [46]Oct 4, 2006
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    Toph's ability to sense may be similar to Daredevil's ability.?? She may be able to see how a person is standing by they way the earth is distributed under their feet.?? If someone has a weapon, she'd be able to sense what it was because of the subtle shift in weight and the motions being used.?? Toph can probably figure out how rocks are being thrown at her by using the stance of the opponent to know what direction they are facing, and knowing the motions of the technique tells her what attack is coming.?? Like I know that when I see an opponent's knee coming up, I can quickly figure out where the kick is going to be because of where the knee stops.?? A front kick uses different foot positions and shifts the weight differently than a side kick.?? A knife held in the hand is held by the arm differently than if it were sheathed on the forearm.?? It's not a perfect analogy.
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    BiSheng

    [47]Oct 4, 2006
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    tc2r:
    I'll bow if I want to bow! (just kidding )
    I don't think that Bumi would be that easy, the battle would probably be a long one, since the fighters are so evenly matched. And that's a heck of a coincidence with the chase, the timing on that counter was perfect (the projectiles were in the air when Toph moved). And what is the thread called?

    JonathonWolf: Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to say, but you but it much more eloquently.
    Edited on 10/04/2006 8:07pm
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    Eman5805

    [48]Oct 4, 2006
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    I'm gonna clear up some things right quick...I'm thinkin that Toph knew the guy on the rope was coming for her proably cuz he was yelling at the top of his lungs...and Toph sees through Earthbending so I figure her senses work best against other Earthbenders...when someone launches a rock from the ground well she can sense that and can probably feel the angle or trajectory??and all the other physic stuff I dont' feel like getting into outside of college...but as far as Toph vs. Bumi? hard to call...Bumi told Aang that "he's the most powerful Earthbender you'll ever see" well...that sounds more like a prideful boast than anything true...but Bumi still has 100 years of experience??on Toph (assuming he was 12 in the flashback) so I'll give him the edge...besides the guy can bend with his face...
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    misterham

    [49]Oct 4, 2006
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    well if she can sense air vibrations from screaming, why couldn't she sense air vibrations by giant flying bugs?
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    Eman5805

    [50]Oct 4, 2006
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    misterham wrote:
    well if she can sense air vibrations from screaming, why couldn't she sense air vibrations by giant flying bugs?

    what's louder? a man shouting at the top of his lungs? or some??buzzing overgrown wasp?

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    misterham

    [51]Oct 4, 2006
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    she seemed to hear the scream perfectly to be able to see exactly which direction he was coming from, so she should be able to sense the general position of the bugs
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    Eman5805

    [52]Oct 4, 2006
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    misterham wrote:
    she seemed to hear the scream perfectly to be able to see exactly which direction he was coming from, so she should be able to sense the general position of the bugs

    well its not like she shot a rock at the guy...she could hear him coming from behind her...and it was from above and closing in fast...so she just turned the tables and lt the guys in front of her hit him...so I'd say no real continuity errors are here if you wanna vouge the "she shoulda 'seen' the bugs too thing"

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    misterham

    [53]Oct 4, 2006
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    actually, i think it was from the side of her

    but now that I think of it, normal sized flies already make a hearable noise, so giant wasps 200 times bigger should make a much louder noise
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    Eman5805

    [54]Oct 4, 2006
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    aight aight...those were some big a$$ wasps...but I'm thinkin' if we can accept the fact that those things could even fly...we can accept that Toph couldn't hit them when they're in the air...that's all I have to say on it...
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    misterham

    [55]Oct 4, 2006
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    i guess they could be silent wasps. i don't remember if they made sound in "the desert"
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    JonathonWolf

    [56]Oct 4, 2006
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    She probably had an easier time hearing the guy because he was only one sound.?? The wasps were buzzing all over the place, and their drone would kind of meld together. ??
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    BiSheng

    [57]Dec 3, 2006
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    I know this discussion was dead, but I would like to point out that with Toph bending metal, she now has a significant advantage over every other Earthbender. True, Bumi could have the ability, but we haven't him demonstrate it so far.

    Also, it is now fairly conclusive that Toph can sense and block projectiles.
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    janedoe401

    [58]Dec 6, 2006
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    ??personally, i'd say its a 50/50 thing.?? Sure, Bumi has over a hundred years of experience, and yes, Bumi did say that he was the most powerful, but there is only so much one can learn before too much information can actually become a burden and being the most powerful does in no way mean that you are automatically the best.?? IMO, Bumi's biggest advantages are that he's obviously very powerful and crazy thus, unpredictable.?? Toph's advantage is that she can "read" your movements,?? has a unique fighting style, has great reflexes and unless hit by wind-based attacks, cannot be blind-sided cuz she can see attacks coming from almost any direction.
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    rjx21

    [59]Dec 6, 2006
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    Similar to daredevil, toph has a major weakness

    Toph's weakness is that he cant handle being in the sand.

    Considering that bumi thinks out of the box, makes him a great match up against bumi and once he figures out what her weakness is, he'll take advantage of it.

    Although its a 50-50 right now, bumi changing the whole battlefield to sand makes this match 60/40.

    Besides if she doesnt have any weakness considering her metalbending prowess, then avatar or no avatar, she can handle ozai and azula if she wanted to.
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    rjx21

    [60]Dec 6, 2006
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    i meant makes him a great match up against TOPH

    sorry bout that
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