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    salsadestroyer

    [121]Dec 9, 2006
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    bumi would make a huge rock and shoot it at her. halfway to her, he would stop the rock and move it to the left or right of her. she would excpect it to move straigh, and block nothing. the rock would then come from somewhere else.
    bumi would easily win
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    HopeAndTruth

    [122]Dec 9, 2006
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    i still think Bummi would win ..I mean he is old !!! he far more experince !! and beside is like a skinny fighter fighting against a big fat fighter ...just like wresetling .( don;t know of i spell that right).. why is it they have classes??
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    qertvbnpop

    [123]Dec 9, 2006
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    boomy would win by the slimmest of margins. toph would put up a heck of a fight.
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    brokensocks

    [124]Dec 9, 2006
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    I say Bumi. He has more experience. And (quote from Ursa), he is the picture of perfect health.

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    akdshay

    [125]Dec 9, 2006
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    bumi would definatly win because he can do that whole falling thru the ground thing adn come out some where else like he did after his battle with ang.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [126]Dec 9, 2006
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    Or he could do the one thing that Toph can't defend against and that's make the earth he's standing on rise into the air then she won't be able to see him then he can send rock crashing into her from the air.....game over.
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    Daviorox

    [127]Dec 10, 2006
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    toph would win no doubt about it plus could bumi bend metal???
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    Lord-darkboy

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    Daviorox wrote:
    toph would win no doubt about it plus could bumi bend metal???

    yes bumi can bend metal i explained it allready you can search it somewhere in this topic

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    HopeAndTruth

    [129]Dec 10, 2006
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    then i would??mean that Bummy can most like bend other stuff too..this just keeps getting better and better..
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    alexvoda

    [130]Dec 10, 2006
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    akdshay wrote:
    bumi would definatly win because he can do that whole falling thru the ground thing adn come out some where else like he did after his battle with ang.

    that is not a big deal
    Toph did it in The Drill
    and Toph for sure would be able to "see" him doing that.
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    whiteforest

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    HopeAndTruth wrote:
    then i would mean that Bummy can most like bend other stuff too..this just keeps getting better and better..

    Bummy = priceless
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    Nalesnik

    [132]Dec 10, 2006
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    Lord-darkboy wrote:

    Daviorox wrote:
    toph would win no doubt about it plus could bumi bend metal???

    yes bumi can bend metal i explained it allready you can search it somewhere in this topic



    what! we don't know if Bumi can bend metal, what the heck are you talking about?!
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    MCMLXVI

    [133]Dec 10, 2006
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    Nalesnik wrote:
    we don't know if Bumi can bend metal, what the heck are you talking about?!
    No. We don't know. And Bumi can't just use his chin, because it isn't long enough to strike the coffin, let alone hit it hard enough to bend it like Beifong.
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    alexvoda

    [134]Dec 10, 2006
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    Here are some opinions on Bumi wining

    mblizzow wrote:
    alexvoda wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:


    Toph's main weakness isnt' her blindness it's her temper, remember when she first fought Aang and she couldn't find him because he wasn't walking on the ground? Then what happened she got frustrated and got sloppy and Aang was able to beat her without much of a fight just a little burst of air and she was done. Bumi would understand this too and so he would just stand still and wait for her to make mistakes after all he's been waiting in a steal cofin for weeks or months so he's a patient one.



    Yup he is very patient!!!

    And very calm.And don't forget what he said:"first of all, it's pretty fun messing with people but i did have a reason"

    He would drive Toph nuts to make her reveal her tricks and weaknesses
    well we cannot forget that it was bumi who told aang that he needed and earthbending teacher who listened to the earth. he would already know what she was capable of. and when it comes down to it i dont think it will be a match of strength or skill, bumi will have his humor and toph her anger, it almost wouldnt be about earthbending, but their emotions.

    As was said it will depend more on emotions than skill, Toph has some firebender blood in her vines(just like Bumi told angry Aang "well done Avatar, you fight with much fire in your hearth"- when he got Aang(a monk) angry)


    now about skill and a possible battle:

    alexvoda wrote:


    i think they will fight because it will be super cool but it will be a friendly match.

    first Toph is completely immune to direct earth and maybe fire attacks

    however she is vulnerable at indirect attacks and air & water direct attacks

    and probably her bigest weakness is her temper.Compared to Bumi who i don't see ever getting angry.

    Now Bumi probably knows earth-seeing but probably not as advanced as Toph since he can see but Toph has to use it as the main sense instead of sight.

    Metal-bending is not a advantage because they will most probably fight on earth Kingdom ground.Bumi most probably knows metal-bending quite well since he said he can escape anytime he wants.

    as i see the match will be like this:

    Angry Toph will challenge calm Bumi to a match.Since Bumi has not met her before he will start evaluating his opponent to discover her weakness and he might use it or not.He will make her angry to make her attack him in all the ways she knows.He will probably mess wit her( he said it "first, it's fun messing with people") -- he did even get Aang(a monk ) angry.He will simply annoy her to make her reveal her tricks.

    Round 2.

    He will indirectly (using the sealing etc.) attack her OR use faceearth-bending since the face muscles aren't usually scanned by her for earth-bending movement OR use delayed attacks(hold a bolder in air a longer period so she dose not know where it is) OR use some other trick.

    The battle will end and Bumi will let Toph tie.It is his stile :he lets you win but you know you didn't win on your own-- he allowed it. Both will say that they had valuable opponents and will start learning from each other.



    salsadestroyer wrote:
    bumi would make a huge rock and shoot it at her. halfway to her, he would stop the rock and move it to the left or right of her. she would excpect it to move straigh, and block nothing. the rock would then come from somewhere else. bumi would easily win

    that would be in round 2 the 3'rd option

    and about revealed unrevealed powers:

    Nalesnik wrote:
    I based my decision on what we seen them do so far, and so far it seems that Toph would win. First of all, it seems that Toph knows more higher levelled techniques. Ex. ground-skating, rock armour, metalbending and a lot of defensive moves. We only seen Bumi do a couple good techniques, but nothing really "fancy" compared to Toph. Secondly, expereince doesn't always win over raw talent (at least not in the avatar world) ex, Azula, Aang, and of course Toph. Thirdly, she has Tophness I would like to point out again, that I am basing my decision on what we seen so far. Bumi many have a few tricks up his sleeve, but I can't "assume" he is better just because I haven't seen those tricks yet.

    according to my scenario he would beat her without any unrevealed new power, although he probably knows metalbending and earthsensing and others

    and about Hung gar vs. Southern Praing Mantis:he surely knows about SPM(Bumi told Aang that he needed an earthbending teacher who listened to the earth) he probably knows how to use it but he didn't need it against Aang. He needed to impress and even scare him.

    and about metalbending it won't be useful to either because they probably won't fight on fire nation land(New Ozai) but in the arena of freed Omashu
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    Nalesnik wrote:
    we don't know if Bumi can bend metal, what the heck are you talking about?!
    No. We don't know. And Bumi can't just use his chin, because it isn't long enough to strike the coffin, let alone hit it hard enough to bend it like Beifong.

    i doubt he is immobilised inside the coffin so because most probably he can metalbend getting out would be quite easy(just as he said- he can free himself anytime)



    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Bumi can bend earth from the air, and Toph still needs to learn that. Now that Toph figured out how to find the earth in metal, she should be able to learn how to find the earth in air or in water. She just needs practice. Luckily, she's got a couple people to help her with that: Katara can maneuver rocks in the water, and Aang can maneuver rocks in the air.

    indeed 12 year Toph would probably beat 12 year Bumi
    and centenary Toph might beat centenary Bumi (unless he uses some kind of trick)
    and about her temper maybe Toph should go to the Guru(Pathik is a name but is Guru part of his name? or is it like "Mr."?)





    And please, it is not bommy or bommi or bummy or bummi or boomy or buumi or bomy or bumy or bumi or anything else ! It is Bumi (capital letter because it is a name)!
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    alexvoda

    [135]Dec 10, 2006
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    now someone please come with relevant pro-Toph arguments
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    MCMLXVI

    [137]Dec 11, 2006
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    alexvoda wrote:
    now someone please come with relevant pro-Toph arguments

    Not me. I believe she would still need training: Aang could teach her how to find the earth in air, and Katara could teach her how to find the earth in water.

    edit: At this time, Toph is limited by what's on solid ground, what's solid touching the solid ground, what's solid touching what's solid touching the solid ground, and so on. However, solids aren't the only things that touch solids. Toph demonstrated her earth magnet skill while she was playing "war" with Aang in "Bitter Work" (where he had to push the rock-covered Toph past a line). The "earth magnet" on a smaller scale would enable Toph to find the earth in air or water.
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    dumb_person1

    [138]Dec 14, 2006
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    They both declared themselves as the greatest earthbenders in the world i think their powers are equally matched but i'm not sure who's better.
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    MCMLXVI

    [139]Dec 14, 2006
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    dumb_person1 wrote:
    They both declared themselves as the greatest earthbenders in the world i think their powers are equally matched but i'm not sure who's better.
    Bumi: I'm the most powerful earthbender you'll ever see.

    Toph: I am the greatest earthbender in the world.

    Toph wins; it's all in the delivery.
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    tico1125

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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    dumb_person1 wrote:
    They both declared themselves as the greatest earthbenders in the world i think their powers are equally matched but i'm not sure who's better.
    Bumi: I'm the most powerful earthbender you'll ever see.

    Toph: I am the greatest earthbender in the world.

    Toph wins; it's all in the delivery.

    Actually your right about the above quotes when you analyze them right.
    Bumi said, "that you will ever see."?? Now analyzing it means that Aang has to see every single earthbender.?? Toph can't see so she will not know who is the greatest.?? Bumi's statement is more of an assumption because he hasn't seen every earthbender to make such a proclamation.

    Now Toph said, "in the world."?? How can she state such a thing if her trip with Aang is really the first time she has left her family's home.?? She has not seen other earthbenders.?? In fact she was easily grabbed by the hands of the Dai Li.

    So in conclusion here is one major fault that I see with Toph.?? Her blindness enables her to listen.?? Which is a plus and makes her a great earthbender.?? However from what we saw in the Lake Laogai episode she is easily overwhelmed when there is a lot of action going on.?? The Dai Li grabbed her from the pedistal with their rock hands and it was Jet that saved her.
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