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    Neurosylum

    [61]Dec 6, 2006
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    rjx21 wrote:
    i meant makes him a great match up against TOPH

    sorry bout that


    Argh, edit your post rather than double posting... Toph could beat Bumi in strategy even if he went crazy and randomly throws rocks at her.
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    Law20

    [62]Dec 6, 2006
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    Toph would win. When Aang asked Bumi who he should look for as an earthbending teacher, Bumi replied that he should find an earthbender that has mastered neutral jin (out of the 85 jins). Neutral Jin represents waiting until the perfect moment to strike, and according to Bumi, this Jin is the key to earthbending. Toph, being the self-proclaimed greatest earthbender in the world, and blind, has most likely mastered this Jin. Bumi would be hardpressed to defeat an earthbender who has actually mastered this Jin, assuming this is the key to earthbending. (not to mention she can see every single shot he would throw, and he hasn't even mastered that ability)
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    Lord-darkboy

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    Law20 wrote:
    Toph would win. When Aang asked Bumi who he should look for as an earthbending teacher, Bumi replied that he should find an earthbender that has mastered neutral jin (out of the 85 jins). Neutral Jin represents waiting until the perfect moment to strike, and according to Bumi, this Jin is the key to earthbending. Toph, being the self-proclaimed greatest earthbender in the world, and blind, has most likely mastered this Jin. Bumi would be hardpressed to defeat an earthbender who has actually mastered this Jin, assuming this is the key to earthbending. (not to mention she can see every single shot he would throw, and he hasn't even mastered that ability)

    how do we know that for sure for all we know bumi could bend metal for ages if toph never met bumi yea tyhen she can say she the strongest earthbender alive if they fight each other then we'll know for sure (a mad man vs a blind arrogant child interesting OH DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT SHE IS ARROGANT) it will be a fight worth watching it

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    Law20

    [64]Dec 6, 2006
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    Lord-darkboy wrote:

    Law20 wrote:
    Toph would win. When Aang asked Bumi who he should look for as an earthbending teacher, Bumi replied that he should find an earthbender that has mastered neutral jin (out of the 85 jins). Neutral Jin represents waiting until the perfect moment to strike, and according to Bumi, this Jin is the key to earthbending. Toph, being the self-proclaimed greatest earthbender in the world, and blind, has most likely mastered this Jin. Bumi would be hardpressed to defeat an earthbender who has actually mastered this Jin, assuming this is the key to earthbending. (not to mention she can see every single shot he would throw, and he hasn't even mastered that ability)

    how do we know that for sure for all we know bumi could bend metal for ages if toph never met bumi yea tyhen she can say she the strongest earthbender alive if they fight each other then we'll know for sure (a mad man vs a blind arrogant child interesting OH DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT SHE IS ARROGANT) it will be a fight worth watching it



    Toph is arrogant, but she can back it up. She reminds me of Mohammed Ali (there's a special about him on saturday night on ESPN). The Greatest, the Champion. And her blindness gives her strength; it gives her the ability to see with vibrations through her feet, which enhances her earthbending. Bumi is undoubtedly a powerful earthbender, but he doesn't have these things going on for him. He's got muscles, but you don't NEED muscle to be the Greatest bender (Example: Toph). He's smart, but you don't NEED brilliance to be a great bender (Example: Toph). He's experienced,?? but so is Toph, who, with Aang and Katara, broke into the Earth Palace. I still say Toph.
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    Lord-darkboy

    [65]Dec 6, 2006
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    Law20 wrote:
    Lord-darkboy wrote:

    Law20 wrote:
    Toph would win. When Aang asked Bumi who he should look for as an earthbending teacher, Bumi replied that he should find an earthbender that has mastered neutral jin (out of the 85 jins). Neutral Jin represents waiting until the perfect moment to strike, and according to Bumi, this Jin is the key to earthbending. Toph, being the self-proclaimed greatest earthbender in the world, and blind, has most likely mastered this Jin. Bumi would be hardpressed to defeat an earthbender who has actually mastered this Jin, assuming this is the key to earthbending. (not to mention she can see every single shot he would throw, and he hasn't even mastered that ability)

    how do we know that for sure for all we know bumi could bend metal for ages if toph never met bumi yea tyhen she can say she the strongest earthbender alive if they fight each other then we'll know for sure (a mad man vs a blind arrogant child interesting OH DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT SHE IS ARROGANT) it will be a fight worth watching it



    Toph is arrogant, but she can back it up. She reminds me of Mohammed Ali (there's a special about him on saturday night on ESPN). The Greatest, the Champion. And her blindness gives her strength; it gives her the ability to see with vibrations through her feet, which enhances her earthbending. Bumi is undoubtedly a powerful earthbender, but he doesn't have these things going on for him. He's got muscles, but you don't NEED muscle to be the Greatest bender (Example: Toph). He's smart, but you don't NEED brilliance to be a great bender (Example: Toph). He's experienced,?? but so is Toph, who, with Aang and Katara, broke into the Earth Palace. I still say Toph.

    maybe bumi can also feel vibrations through earthbending whe never saw him getting attack in the back

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    ElJorro

    [66]Dec 6, 2006
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    Both are equally powerful. but toph might be better because her style is so unigue but BUMI (thats how you spell it) is more experienced but he is old. I'd go with toph.
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    Lord-darkboy

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    ElJorro wrote:
    Both are equally powerful. but toph might be better because her style is so unigue but BUMI (thats how you spell it) is more experienced but he is old. I'd go with toph.

    underestemated bumi can"t you see he does it on purpose (sp?) just like aang thought he was weak but i had a extreme difficult time and bumi surrenderd he had enough fun

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    go_ugly_people

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    Toph would knock the hell out of Bumi no question about it.
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    tico1125

    [69]Dec 6, 2006
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    Well this is an interesting discussion.?? On the one hand Bumi has a great understanding of the various Jins where Toph does not.?? Bumi is perfectly capable of fighting Toph and possibly beating her.?? However in light of the recent metal bending that Toph has done I think she has a leg up on him.?? The reason why she is able to do the metal bending is because she senses where the rock lies within the metal.?? I doubt Bumi would be able to find since he is encased in the metal box.?? Maybe after the firelord is defeated we will get to see a match up between them.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

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    Bumi gets my vote, he has raw power, intellegence, patience, and experience on his side. Toph is??very good and is probably better than Bumi was at her age but as things stand now Bumi would beat her into the ground. We have to remember Toph can only 'see' if she's on solid earth and we know that Bumi can make sand with a single foot so all he'd have to do is make the area around Toph sandy and then the game's over.
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    AppaFan1000

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    I think I will go with Bumi for one simple reason. He has never shown all his cards. Each time we see him he is doing something new and different. I don't think this is because he just learned it. It's because he already knew how to do it and was just hiding the fact while waiting for the right time. He went from very nice bending in King of Omashu to not having to have his hands free to bend when the gang returned to Omashu. Who knows how many other things he can do that we don't about. I will give Toph credit as she has shown us some things too but that's not to say Bumi can't do the same. (Would be a great scene even it is two of the good guys).
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    tico1125

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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    Bumi gets my vote, he has raw power, intellegence, patience, and experience on his side. Toph is very good and is probably better than Bumi was at her age but as things stand now Bumi would beat her into the ground. We have to remember Toph can only 'see' if she's on solid earth and we know that Bumi can make sand with a single foot so all he'd have to do is make the area around Toph sandy and then the game's over.

    Very good point.?? She would definitely have some trouble in a sandy area.?? Look at how she tried to take out the sand benders and missed them.
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    Neurosylum

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    tico1125 wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    Bumi gets my vote, he has raw power, intellegence, patience, and experience on his side. Toph is very good and is probably better than Bumi was at her age but as things stand now Bumi would beat her into the ground. We have to remember Toph can only 'see' if she's on solid earth and we know that Bumi can make sand with a single foot so all he'd have to do is make the area around Toph sandy and then the game's over.

    Very good point. She would definitely have some trouble in a sandy area. Look at how she tried to take out the sand benders and missed them.


    Toph is only 12 at the moment, so as she's mastered metal bending, there will be no doubt that she'll get used to a sandy environment.
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    picketposter14

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    I know there's only like.. 3 people that agree, but I think especially with her new metalbending powers, she could beat Bumi. But it would totally be a razor-thin close fight
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    Lord-darkboy

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    Neurosylum wrote:
    tico1125 wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    Bumi gets my vote, he has raw power, intellegence, patience, and experience on his side. Toph is very good and is probably better than Bumi was at her age but as things stand now Bumi would beat her into the ground. We have to remember Toph can only 'see' if she's on solid earth and we know that Bumi can make sand with a single foot so all he'd have to do is make the area around Toph sandy and then the game's over.

    Very good point. She would definitely have some trouble in a sandy area. Look at how she tried to take out the sand benders and missed them.
    Toph is only 12 at the moment, so as she's mastered metal bending, there will be no doubt that she'll get used to a sandy environment.

    we don't know much of bumi's past maybe he learned it at 10 years old

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    tico1125

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    Lord-darkboy wrote:

    Neurosylum wrote:
    tico1125 wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    Bumi gets my vote, he has raw power, intellegence, patience, and experience on his side. Toph is very good and is probably better than Bumi was at her age but as things stand now Bumi would beat her into the ground. We have to remember Toph can only 'see' if she's on solid earth and we know that Bumi can make sand with a single foot so all he'd have to do is make the area around Toph sandy and then the game's over.

    Very good point. She would definitely have some trouble in a sandy area. Look at how she tried to take out the sand benders and missed them.
    Toph is only 12 at the moment, so as she's mastered metal bending, there will be no doubt that she'll get used to a sandy environment.

    we don't know much of bumi's past maybe he learned it at 10 years old


    I can agree that Bumi has some serious tricks up his sleeve.?? It would be a razor close fight.?? I still think that Bumi would win because he would figure out Toph's methods and try to use them against her.?? Not to mention that Toph gets cocky and that tends to be her downfall.
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    OGrimTitan

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    I actually registered an account specifically to chime in on this. First, to dispel a few falsehoods:

    "An opponent with no training/experience is a difficult opponent": False. - An opponent with no training (& by "training" I mean any kind of repeated experience that leads to the honing of combat skills) is a joke. Their actions may be wild, but they are incredibly predictable. The only thing easier is an opponent with just a little bit of experience, because then they usually THINK they know what they're doing, & they fall into easily predictable patterns.

    "Originality can compensate for lack of experience against a more experienced opponent": False. - In martial arts, raw talent is something, but the absolute, number-one, greatest factor that leads to excellence is experience (experience in this case = time + brains + hard work). That's why martial arts is one of those unique areas where the oldest are usually the best, whereas in the rest of life we look to the young & "healthy" as the most promising. In true Kung Fu, he who has had the most time to train, will almost always be the better fighter.

    Anyway, as to the rest, it's all subjective & part of the show. However, Toph has definately not "mastered" metal-bending, any more than she has "mastered" earth bending. Aang made a joke out of her in their first encounter. And Bumi is not only more skilled, he's a lot smarter in fighting. Remember, every time we see Bumi we learn that he knows more than he tells. Between that & his ability to "think outside the box," he may know more about the limits of earth/metal bending than anyone. He's certainly more than smart enough to figure out Toph's weaknesses, & he's definately the more skilled Bender.

    Now, if we put Bumi in suspended animation until Toph is a century or so old, THAT would be a great match.
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    J-ni11

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    Bumi vs. toph would be about 65/35 for me. Bumi has experince advantage has fought numerous opponets who have differnet styles. There have to be more than two types of earth bending just like there are more than two types of waterbending. Bumi would figure out her??style eventually and her style is basically wait untill the attack is near and dodge or block while attacking at the same time. Bumi uses projectiles, moves ground by the opponets and dispells any projectile that comes near.??Let us also remember that bumi fought aang knowing what aang was capable of, since they were friends, and didn't have to show off his best moves to aang. I really think he could have killed aang very easily when they fought (Unless aang went into the avatar state). Regardless of tophs style bumi is not so predictable either and could uses some moves toph has never seen. Also tophs metal bending is not an advantage yet since so far we have only seen her crumble and throw it. Which although he would be momemtarily shocked that can eaisly be blocked with rock. Now in a year (providing bumi is still alive) we'll talk about that advantage.????
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    Token_BlackGuy

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    Toph's ability to bend metal is only an advantage if there are two factors involved...

    1) First and foremost, there has to be metal present when the 2 are fighting that she could use against BUMI....and

    2) BUMI can't??be able to manipulate metal either (which the show has not shown either way).

    Seems some put more emphasis on the metal bending than necessary.?? Toph is great, and a fascinating character, however, BUMI has an edge in experience on many levels of life/learning/fighting and likely would win a fight with Toph.??

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    gunswordfist

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    niceguyposer wrote:
    As of right now, Bumi would beat Toph.?? Toph's still just a kid and has about 1/10 of the experience Bumi has.?? Once Bumi dies and Toph gets older and stronger, she'll be the most powerful Earthbender on the show.
    That's too true!! Bumi is an innovator (we all know what he invented) and a mad genius with over a hundred years of experience. Toph maybe able to bend metal but Bumi mental and physical abilities far exceed Toph's and if and when Bumi would use Gin on Toph she would be a sitting duck and her greatest advantages would fly out the window b/c Bumi would just be standing EB'ing really Toph would be too busy trying to sense what attacks he would do based on his movements. Plus, the initial shock from 'seeing' someone do Earthbending without moving a muscle would leave Toph wide open and BOOM! Bumi wins!!!!
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