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wrong, dude bumi is mad genious (lmao i love that term). He'd know of her ways and easily figure out ways around it. I mean think about it, he neutralized all the avantages aang (an airbender) had. He'd easily neutralize hers. not to mention she'd never touch him

>_> what happend when he threw a bolder at aang and aang jumped over it? it hit him and instantly turned to sand. hmmm, idk how the hell you would beat bumi... guess atriple team match might do it... ang, azula, and toph.

First, Toph can't see projectiles if they are launched from a flying source, and that is the only time (plus she was on sand). As long as the being firing the projectile has contact with the ground, she can determine it's flight characteristics and institute countermeasures as seen in The Chase. She can especially easily see projectiles made of earth, as seen in the Blind Bandit several times. (the cages and the belt from the same episode are anomalies that I have explained before and don't feel like doing now, but will later if you insist)

In the instance you are talking about when Bumi turned the boulder to sand he saw the attack coming, he had nearly a whole second to react (eons for a martial arts master). Also, when he saw that he was going to be hit by the rocks both times he inhaled like he was concerned. That to me indicates that if you surprised him, he could be hurt by an earth attack.

Also, Toph's hometown was not some Podunk village; it was a fairly large city. True, probably not on a level with Ohmashu or Ba Sing Sa, but more than likely equal to the Northern Water tribe. Plus she had won the championship at least two years in a row, which is quite impressive. And Master what's-his-name who taught the school said that she was the greatest earthbend he had ever seen. Presumably he includes himself, so since she is better than a Master, which makes her a de-facto master.

Toph's Advantages:
On Bumi's ability to deal with Aang's tactics, he says specifically, "Typical airbender tactics, avoid and evade...,??? which indicates that he has studied those tactics. Toph's style (Southern Praying Mantis), on the other hand, is wholly different from anything else other earthbenders do (Hung Gar); she is the only one with her style we have seen. Bumi can study other people all he want's, he has never, will never, seen anyone else with a style like Toph. Presumably, if Bumi had seen it before, he would have likely incorporated some of the moves from his style into his repertoire. We see he hasn't done so, so he hasn't seen it before.

Also, she doesn't need to have line of sight to launch an attack, as seen in the final battle of the Blind Bandit. Bumi could think he's safe behind some obstruction, only to be juggled by the ground, like the luchador masked wrestler.

I don???t think it would be easy, but it would be possible. Also this would be the coolest fight that will never happen between my two favorite characters form the show.

On another note: You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to mine, and I don't appreciate you talking down to me and others that share my opinion with the "sigh" thing. I understand your reasoning, and I respect it; do me and others the same courtesy. I realize that you were likely just trying to be funny, but in the future, smile when you say it, so I know we???re still friends.

Edited on 10/04/2006 8:24am Edited 2 total times.

First, Toph can't see projectiles if they are launched from a flying source, and that is the only time (plus she was on sand). As long as the being firing the projectile has contact with the ground, she can determine it's flight characteristics and institute countermeasures as seen in The Chase. She can especially easily see projectiles made of earth, as seen in the Blind Bandit several times. (the cages and the belt from the same episode are anomalies that I have explained before and don't feel like doing now, but will later if you insist)

In the instance you are talking about when Bumi turned the boulder to sand he saw the attack coming, he had nearly a whole second to react (eons for a martial arts master). Also, when he saw that he was going to be hit by the rocks both times he inhaled like he was concerned. That to me indicates that if you surprised him, he could be hurt by an earth attack.

Also, Toph's hometown was not some Podunk village; it was a fairly large city. True, probably not on a level with Ohmashu or Ba Sing Sa, but more than likely equal to the Northern Water tribe. Plus she had won the championship at least two years in a row, which is quite impressive. And Master what's-his-name who taught the school said that she was the greatest earthbend he had ever seen. Presumably he includes himself, so since she is better than a Master, which makes her a de-facto master.

Toph's Advantages:
On Bumi's ability to deal with Aang's tactics, he says specifically, "Typical airbender tactics, avoid and evade...,??? which indicates that he has studied those tactics. Toph's style (Southern Praying Mantis), on the other hand, is wholly different from anything else other earthbenders do (Hung Gar); she is the only one with her style we have seen. Bumi can study other people all he want's, he has never, will never, seen anyone else with a style like Toph. Presumably, if Bumi had seen it before, he would have likely incorporated some of the moves from his style into his repertoire. We see he hasn't done so, so he hasn't seen it before.

Also, she doesn't need to have line of sight to launch an attack, as seen in the final battle of the Blind Bandit. Bumi could think he's safe behind some obstruction, only to be juggled by the ground, like the luchador masked wrestler.

I don???t think it would be easy, but it would be possible. Also this would be the coolest fight that will never happen between my two favorite characters form the show.

On another note: You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to mine, and I don't appreciate you talking down to me and others that share my opinion with the "sigh" thing. I understand your reasoning, and I respect it; do me and others the same courtesy. I realize that you were likely just trying to be funny, but in the future, smile when you say it, so I know we???re still friends.

First, Toph can't see projectiles if they are launched from a flying source, and that is the only time (plus she was on sand). As long as the being firing the projectile has contact with the ground, she can determine it's flight characteristics and institute countermeasures as seen in The Chase. She can especially easily see projectiles made of earth, as seen in the Blind Bandit several times. (the cages and the belt from the same episode are anomalies that I have explained before and don't feel like doing now, but will later if you insist)

In the instance you are talking about when Bumi turned the boulder to sand he saw the attack coming, he had nearly a whole second to react (eons for a martial arts master). Also, when he saw that he was going to be hit by the rocks both times he inhaled like he was concerned. That to me indicates that if you surprised him, he could be hurt by an earth attack.

Also, Toph's hometown was not some Podunk village; it was a fairly large city. True, probably not on a level with Ohmashu or Ba Sing Sa, but more than likely equal to the Northern Water tribe. Plus she had won the championship at least two years in a row, which is quite impressive. And Master what's-his-name who taught the school said that she was the greatest earthbend he had ever seen. Presumably he includes himself, so since she is better than a Master, which makes her a de-facto master.

Toph's Advantages:
On Bumi's ability to deal with Aang's tactics, he says specifically, "Typical airbender tactics, avoid and evade...,??? which indicates that he has studied those tactics. Toph's style (Southern Praying Mantis), on the other hand, is wholly different from anything else other earthbenders do (Hung Gar); she is the only one with her style we have seen. Bumi can study other people all he want's, he has never, will never, seen anyone else with a style like Toph. Presumably, if Bumi had seen it before, he would have likely incorporated some of the moves from his style into his repertoire. We see he hasn't done so, so he hasn't seen it before.

Also, she doesn't need to have line of sight to launch an attack, as seen in the final battle of the Blind Bandit. Bumi could think he's safe behind some obstruction, only to be juggled by the ground, like the luchador masked wrestler.

I don???t think it would be easy, but it would be possible. Also this would be the coolest fight that will never happen between my two favorite characters form the show.

On another note: You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to mine, and I don't appreciate you talking down to me and others that share my opinion with the "sigh" thing. I understand your reasoning, and I respect it; do me and others the same courtesy. I realize that you were likely just trying to be funny, but in the future, smile when you say it, so I know we???re still friends.

btw, she's blind, she's NEVER had a line-of-sight... (sounds like a joke she'd make... "THERE it is!... thats what it will sound like when one of you see's it (waving hand in front of face)" ~ priceless

also, I didn't compare her hometown with a "podunk village" (O.o). I compared it as being a STATE (my state) and her being the best there as me being the best in something at my state. please read my post. Also, a "master" is just someone who teaches someone else, what I mean is that the term master can easily be given to two ppl of completely different skill levels. such as Bumi is a MASTER of earthbending, Toph is a master of earthbending, Toph's teacher is a "Master" of earthbending.

sorry i'm getting too into this (goes and finds something else to do).

First, Toph can't see projectiles if they are launched from a flying source, and that is the only time (plus she was on sand). As long as the being firing the projectile has contact with the ground, she can determine it's flight characteristics and institute countermeasures as seen in The Chase. She can especially easily see projectiles made of earth, as seen in the Blind Bandit several times. (the cages and the belt from the same episode are anomalies that I have explained before and don't feel like doing now, but will later if you insist)

In the instance you are talking about when Bumi turned the boulder to sand he saw the attack coming, he had nearly a whole second to react (eons for a martial arts master). Also, when he saw that he was going to be hit by the rocks both times he inhaled like he was concerned. That to me indicates that if you surprised him, he could be hurt by an earth attack.

Also, Toph's hometown was not some Podunk village; it was a fairly large city. True, probably not on a level with Ohmashu or Ba Sing Sa, but more than likely equal to the Northern Water tribe. Plus she had won the championship at least two years in a row, which is quite impressive. And Master what's-his-name who taught the school said that she was the greatest earthbend he had ever seen. Presumably he includes himself, so since she is better than a Master, which makes her a de-facto master.

Toph's Advantages:
On Bumi's ability to deal with Aang's tactics, he says specifically, "Typical airbender tactics, avoid and evade...,??? which indicates that he has studied those tactics. Toph's style (Southern Praying Mantis), on the other hand, is wholly different from anything else other earthbenders do (Hung Gar); she is the only one with her style we have seen. Bumi can study other people all he want's, he has never, will never, seen anyone else with a style like Toph. Presumably, if Bumi had seen it before, he would have likely incorporated some of the moves from his style into his repertoire. We see he hasn't done so, so he hasn't seen it before.

Also, she doesn't need to have line of sight to launch an attack, as seen in the final battle of the Blind Bandit. Bumi could think he's safe behind some obstruction, only to be juggled by the ground, like the luchador masked wrestler.

I don???t think it would be easy, but it would be possible. Also this would be the coolest fight that will never happen between my two favorite characters form the show.

On another note: You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to mine, and I don't appreciate you talking down to me and others that share my opinion with the "sigh" thing. I understand your reasoning, and I respect it; do me and others the same courtesy. I realize that you were likely just trying to be funny, but in the future, smile when you say it, so I know we???re still friends.

she doesn't hear the attack. she can feel the vibrations. remember in the "blind bandit"? she could feel ants and where that tree was in her yard (and trees don't move). so no matter how much noise bumi makes, Toph would still be able to feel where he was. even if he jumped up in the air, because, also in the blind bandit, this guy was flying through the air and she brought him down easily. aang was a different story because he's an airbender. the only reason i think bumi would win against toph is because he has a 100 more years experience. and don't say he would lose because he's old since bumi technically beat aang when they fought in "the king of omashu"

Edited on 10/04/2006 2:48pm

I'm saying 1 on 1 as things stand now, Bumi would whip the floor with Toph. even with all of her "advantages" she is not on his lvl. Now don't get me wrong, not many are on her level of experince, but as far as experince, fights, battles, teaching, PERFECTING, bumi has had 100 years to work on all of this. in his words " you will never meet a more powerful earthbender." (or something like that (i suck with quotes)). also, understand that the reason she "felt" those projectiles in the blind bandit (the rocks ppl threw at her) was because of the huge extravagent "tv wrestling" movements the benders themselves made, it's like, if you were to swing your arm at me in a "pitching" motion, I would know and react to moving LONG before I saw what the object you were "throwing" was. we do this all the time with are eyes, she's just able to do it with earthbending. However, if a SKILLEd earthbender who isn't trying to show off was to launch rocks airborne, I doubt she'd be able to trace their movements. due to the fact that the opponent (bumi) wouldn't "lead" his moves.

also I've been here for a year now and I just liked observing ^_^ I'm fine with my icon the way it wishes to be, those who prejudge aren't worth my time and suck anyway (therefore their opinion becomes void). and if they go "noob" I tell them as I'm about to tell you. Look at how old my account is. ^_^

give Toph more experince and yeah she'd be on par with Bumi... someday. But as of now, if they were to go one on one, I think he'd win.

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