SilverDragonfan wrote: |
Zutar already lost the war so this is completely pointless!!!!!!!!!!! |
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SilverDragonfan wrote: |
Zutar already lost the war so this is completely pointless!!!!!!!!!!! |
Toph_kicks_butt wrote: | ||
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Zutara doesn't necessarily have to happen.
Its just a good excuse to make anime porn to post on DA. And it makes great Three Days Grace AMVs... Plus its got a huge amount of angst that doesn't involve Aang sounding retarded.
And that is why Zutara is 150% SgtHydra approved!
Plusaangisafriggingbald12yearold *runs off*
MasterBender wrote: |
1. I think it would be necessary since he kissed her. But we can never really resolve this issue until the series ends. The fact is we're not mind-readers, neither of Katara nor of Mike and Brian. |
MasterBender wrote: |
2. I know we don't know what the other Avatar's attachments were. But part of my point is that Avatars can love and still control the AS. Allow me to illustrate my reasoning. Premises: Aang needs to let go of his attachment. Katara is his attachment. Appa is more important to Aang than Katara. Yet Appa is not Aang's attachment. What Katara has over Appa is Aang's romantic love. Conclusion: The "attachment" that blocks the Seventh Chakra is caused by love. New Premises: The "attachment" that blocks the Seventh Chakra is caused by love. Aang loves Katara. Yet Roku states that being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, and was able to control the AS and have a wife. New Conclusion: The "letting go of attachments" to control the AS is not permanent. Aang can love Katara but still control the Avatar State. |
MasterBender wrote: |
3. I don't know. All I know is that Aunt Wu didn't explicitly say "you have no romance in your future", and that the future is not set in stone. |
MasterBender wrote: |
All this stuff is just highlighting why Kataang hasn't come to fruition yet. Can you supply some evidence for Zutara now? |
As I've said, right now, Katara's feelings for Zuko are between mad and hate, while Zuko is trying to be friends with everyone at most. However, the potential to turn this into love exists, here's why:
Zuko- Zuko clearly holds Katara in higher regards than the others. Not just because she's threatened him, though. He's held her in higher regards since season one. At everyone else who has pissed him off, he's yelled at them and even threatened them at times. Sokka, Iroh, Aang, his crew, Azula, Mai, Ty Lee, you see where I'm going with this. However, the worst he has ever said to Katara was calling her a "little peasant" and he did it in a rather calm voice. Even in TFM, he snapped at Aang, right in front of Katara for his comment about dragons, but he didn't snap at her for her insults towards him. There's also the fact that he let her touch his scar in CoD, which is a big issue for him.
Katara- If you watch Katara's pattern of behavior towards Jet in Ba Sing Se, you'll see that it's a less extreme version of her behavior towards Zuko. Attack, trust via necessity, warning him that she still doesn't trust him 100%, and offensive sarcasm towards him. Now, one might say that all this shows is how she treats guys who broke her heart and that she did feel love towards him at CoD. However, there was one thing I noticed recently that's been bothering me.
In WAT, when Zuko first greets them and Katara smacks him down with water, she says, "Get out and don't come back! And if we ever see you again...
*Pauses and looks down*
"...Well, we better not see you again!"
It made me raise an eyebrow. After all, how hard is it to tell a hated enemy that, if you ever see him again, you'll kill/maim/end/destroy/some-synonym-of-seriously-hurt him? I think it shows that Katara still has something for him.
Now, you may wonder how she can then threaten him at the end of that episode and you're right, it doesn't make sense. If she could so easily threaten him after the group accepted him and he saved them from Combustion Man, why couldn't she threaten him before those things happened?
Now, as I said, for now, it's not love. But the potential for it is there within the characters. However, there is an even more important reason for it within the plot.
First off, the leaked sketch from the Boiling Rock clearly showed Mai and Zuko talking in non-favorable terms. They weren't exactly all over each other and happy to see the other one. I think they are going to break up during that episode.
Second, Aang needs a reason to let go of Katara so he can use the AS. Her being in love with someone else gives him a reason to do that. Basically, the Zuko + Katara relationship advances the plot by helping Aang grow as a character and achieve the power that he needs to fight Ozi.
As far as the gate things go, more things than Naruto and AtLA use them. I've heard them called gates, chakuras, energies, and a lot of other things. It's all blended together.
To the above post:
Zutara. Iz. Awesome.
Me no care if it happens or not.
Besides, this is a nick cartoon show! They won't right out say which ship happens at the end! They will have an ambiguous ending to please the parents who think their kid will never have the urge to... copulate...
And plus, we are talking about a 12 year old kid on one side of relationship. A 12 year old kid and you sickos are shipping with him.
Disgraceful...
As for the numerous hints allegedly dropped, what about the Taang hint in The Swamp? Or was that just my imagination.
daveshanFromGMU wrote: |
As I've said, right now, Katara's feelings for Zuko are between mad and hate, while Zuko is trying to be friends with everyone at most. However, the potential to turn this into love exists, here's why: Zuko- Zuko clearly holds Katara in higher regards than the others. Not just because she's threatened him, though. He's held her in higher regards since season one. At everyone else who has pissed him off, he's yelled at them and even threatened them at times. Sokka, Iroh, Aang, his crew, Azula, Mai, Ty Lee, you see where I'm going with this. However, the worst he has ever said to Katara was calling her a "little peasant" and he did it in a rather calm voice. Even in TFM, he snapped at Aang, right in front of Katara for his comment about dragons, but he didn't snap at her for her insults towards him. There's also the fact that he let her touch his scar in CoD, which is a big issue for him. Katara- If you watch Katara's pattern of behavior towards Jet in Ba Sing Se, you'll see that it's a less extreme version of her behavior towards Zuko. Attack, trust via necessity, warning him that she still doesn't trust him 100%, and offensive sarcasm towards him. Now, one might say that all this shows is how she treats guys who broke her heart and that she did feel love towards him at CoD. However, there was one thing I noticed recently that's been bothering me. In WAT, when Zuko first greets them and Katara smacks him down with water, she says, "Get out and don't come back! And if we ever see you again... "...Well, we better not see you again!" It made me raise an eyebrow. After all, how hard is it to tell a hated enemy that, if you ever see him again, you'll kill/maim/end/destroy/some-synonym-of-seriously-hurt him? I think it shows that Katara still has something for him. Now, you may wonder how she can then threaten him at the end of that episode and you're right, it doesn't make sense. If she could so easily threaten him after the group accepted him and he saved them from Combustion Man, why couldn't she threaten him before those things happened? |
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As I've said, right now, Katara's feelings for Zuko are between mad and hate, while Zuko is trying to be friends with everyone at most. However, the potential to turn this into love exists, here's why: Zuko- Zuko clearly holds Katara in higher regards than the others. Not just because she's threatened him, though. He's held her in higher regards since season one. At everyone else who has pissed him off, he's yelled at them and even threatened them at times. Sokka, Iroh, Aang, his crew, Azula, Mai, Ty Lee, you see where I'm going with this. However, the worst he has ever said to Katara was calling her a "little peasant" and he did it in a rather calm voice. Even in TFM, he snapped at Aang, right in front of Katara for his comment about dragons, but he didn't snap at her for her insults towards him. There's also the fact that he let her touch his scar in CoD, which is a big issue for him. Katara- If you watch Katara's pattern of behavior towards Jet in Ba Sing Se, you'll see that it's a less extreme version of her behavior towards Zuko. Attack, trust via necessity, warning him that she still doesn't trust him 100%, and offensive sarcasm towards him. Now, one might say that all this shows is how she treats guys who broke her heart and that she did feel love towards him at CoD. However, there was one thing I noticed recently that's been bothering me. In WAT, when Zuko first greets them and Katara smacks him down with water, she says, "Get out and don't come back! And if we ever see you again... "...Well, we better not see you again!" It made me raise an eyebrow. After all, how hard is it to tell a hated enemy that, if you ever see him again, you'll kill/maim/end/destroy/some-synonym-of-seriously-hurt him? I think it shows that Katara still has something for him. Now, you may wonder how she can then threaten him at the end of that episode and you're right, it doesn't make sense. If she could so easily threaten him after the group accepted him and he saved them from Combustion Man, why couldn't she threaten him before those things happened? Now, as I said, for now, it's not love. But the potential for it is there within the characters. However, there is an even more important reason for it within the plot. First off, the leaked sketch from the Boiling Rock clearly showed Mai and Zuko talking in non-favorable terms. They weren't exactly all over each other and happy to see the other one. I think they are going to break up during that episode. Second, Aang needs a reason to let go of Katara so he can use the AS. Her being in love with someone else gives him a reason to do that. Basically, the Zuko + Katara relationship advances the plot by helping Aang grow as a character and achieve the power that he needs to fight Ozi.
As far as the gate things go, more things than Naruto and AtLA use them. I've heard them called gates, chakuras, energies, and a lot of other things. It's all blended together. |
Ok. What gives me the idea that Appa is closer to Aang is...
A. Aang has known Appa longer. B. Aang has spent more time with Appa. C. Appa is Aang's last attachment to the Air Nomads. D. Aang's depression over Appa drove him to such lengths as to yell at Katara and deny a hug from her.
No I am not ignoring stuff from the series. I am explaining that Katara was Aang's attachment because of love. Roku loved, yet could control the AS. Ther is no problem for Kataang here.
As for Aunt Wu, you forget what she said at the end of the ep...
"Aang: Can I ask you something?
Aunt Wu: Of course, honey.
Aang: You didn't really see love in my fortune, did you? You just told me what I wanted to hear.
Aunt Wu: I'll tell you a little secret, young Airbender. Just as you reshaped those clouds, you have the power to reshape your own destiny."
Ok, Zuko respects Katara. But respect her from Season 1? Uh, I don't think "little peasant" is respectful.
Anyway, respect is a far cry from love.
Katara didn't threaten Zuko because she had no need to. Aang and Sokka, the local protective males, had that covered. But now she apparently thinks that Zuko conned Aang, and now it's her duty to protect him. Still no sign of attraction.
You say that her attitude to Jet was a less extreme version of her attitude to Zuko... notice how that didn't end in renewed romance.
In response to that first point, we'll just have to wait.
In response to the second point... see above.
@Waterbender
At this point, we'd just be arguing in circles. You think that it's too late to make Zuko and Katara to fall in love, despite the fact that romances don't take that long to build up in the AtLA universe. I say that turning Aang's #1 internal conflict into a misunderstanding is too absurd and it's much too late to create a new way to master the AS without giving up Katara. I also say that having Zuko and Katara be together gives Aang a reason to let her go.
We'd just be arguing in circles.
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MasterBender wrote: |
Ok. What gives me the idea that Appa is closer to Aang is... A. Aang has known Appa longer. B. Aang has spent more time with Appa. C. Appa is Aang's last attachment to the Air Nomads. D. Aang's depression over Appa drove him to such lengths as to yell at Katara and deny a hug from her. No I am not ignoring stuff from the series. I am explaining that Katara was Aang's attachment because of love. Roku loved, yet could control the AS. Ther is no problem for Kataang here. |
Aang's been traveling all over the world with Katara, she's saved him from going psycho-avatar numerous times, and he's gotten to know her so much. Roku didn't really interact with his future wife until he got back. Remember when Aang said "Hey, it's that girl that didn't even know you existed."? Roku never really got attached to her until after he became a full avatar. There was no reason for her to be what attached him to this world. It is merely incidental that Aang's attachment involves love.
MasterBender wrote: |
As for Aunt Wu, you forget what she said at the end of the ep... "Aang: Can I ask you something? |
If Wu had enough calmness to talk to him like that, why didn't she just say "Too tell you the truth, I wasn't focused on anything but the explosion. Why don't I give you a different, non-exploding, reading? Like your palm, which is what I used with your waterbender friend, which won't explode?"
She didn't see any love because she looked and it wasn't there. Plus, if she only told him what he wanted to hear once, what's to stop her from doing it again?
MasterBender wrote: |
Ok, Zuko respects Katara. But respect her from Season 1? Uh, I don't think "little peasant" is respectful. Anyway, respect is a far cry from love. |
MasterBender wrote: |
Katara didn't threaten Zuko because she had no need to. Aang and Sokka, the local protective males, had that covered. But now she apparently thinks that Zuko conned Aang, and now it's her duty to protect him. Still no sign of attraction. |
Ursa_in_Zuko_Alone wrote: |
Zuko, that's what moms are like. If you mess with their babies... *chomping sound* ...they're going to bite you back. |
Seriously, though. If there was no need to threaten him, why start the threat in the first place? Why attack him in the first place? Why not just say "GTFO!" (obviously, not those words) and let Aang and Sokka do the forcing?
MasterBender wrote: |
You say that her attitude to Jet was a less extreme version of her attitude to Zuko... notice how that didn't end in renewed romance. |
SgtHydra wrote: | ||
Mine is an evil laugh. |
Evil...evil?
Toph_kicks_butt wrote: | ||
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Everyone has the right to Choose, even if they choose stupidly.
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Evil...evil? |
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May god help us all...
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Evil...evil? |
SilverDragonfan wrote: |
Zutar already lost the war so this is completely pointless!!!!!!!!!!! |
MarryLarry wrote: |
To me, this show and many others are like a lap dance. I don't yell at the stripper, telling her what to do. I like to sit back, relax, and watch to see where it goes from there. What happens is entirely up to her. |
*drops link*
http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2 (If you're Zutarian and you haven't seen 'em, I suggest you get watching- Kataangers...this is what Zutara vision/mind looks like -not necessarily a bad thing-)
Kataang is most likely to happen and probably will; If Zutara pulls a miracle, I think (IMO) the creators could put a lot of creativity and development (however, they had limited time).
Zutaraang!
I am now shipping Kataang!
"drop Kataang bomb"
Spacerac wrote: |
Zutara lost a whole half a season ago and everybody knows it. |
"I didn't see anything about love."
Does that ring a bell?