| CoolioVonJulio wrote: | ||||
there is no such thing as good or evil, what the earth kingdom thinks is good, the fire nation thinks its evil and vice-cersa. Iroh was just serving his country, you would too if you were a high and mighty general. |
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| CoolioVonJulio wrote: | ||||
there is no such thing as good or evil, what the earth kingdom thinks is good, the fire nation thinks its evil and vice-cersa. Iroh was just serving his country, you would too if you were a high and mighty general. |
| fatsomama wrote: |
| I love these types of threads that actually take a brain As to xRamensx thoughts on yin and yang...I think one of the points Bryke has been trying to make in terms of yin and yang is that everyone can have that within themselves. We see that most easily with Zuko. Aang may be the one trying to unite people and bring peace instead of fight, which could be taken as yielding. But he's going to take action to do it as well. I have no doubt Aang will show mercy in the end, to Ozai or Azula or whoever he has the last big showdown with, but he will most certainly have to take action and be the agressor to get to that point. Everyone has the potential for good or evil, everyone has a choice to make. This may seem to totally contradict ideas of destiny or fate, unless you believe that life is a little bit of both. Like a path in the forest, when the path splits you have a choice. Sometimes though, once you make that choice you are destined to go down that path to it's end. That's kinda what I believe anyways |
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I would disagree with this. We see things from the "other side," and are clearly shown that the Fire Nation is "wrong." But this is a war. Had Iroh taken over Ba Sing Se, it could well have ended the war. Iroh surely wanted this, and to his mind that would mean the Fire Nation either won or lost. He was just trying to ensure that the war ended well for him and his country. I don't think we can call him evil for that. DOBS anyone?
| tomtitan wrote: |
| Bryke confirmed that Iroh didn't do things like the siege fur teh lulz. Bryke said that he did things because it was expected of him. He was the future Firelord, so it was expected that he'd lead a military campaign or two. He didn't take any joy in what he was doing (well, he took some joy, as per the letter in Zuko Alone). |
Bryke said that? I only know Bryke's intention for Iroh was formerly just a random old evil fire nation general. -_-
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet (I didn't read through ALL of the posts), but...
A theme that binds most of the main characters together is that of PARENTS. The influence of parents is very wide through the show.
Aang: He didn't have any parents and so, he looked to the monks as fatherly figures. He never had a woman figure in his life, and when he met Katara, who is mature beyond her age, she became a sort of motherly figure towards him. (I'm going to try not to go into shipping.) Katara just happened to fill a spot that Aang needed and that he never had in his life before, which may be why it's so hard for him to let her go. It wouldn't be easy to let a mother go, or in his case, to not feel attraction and devotion to a mother, would it?
Katara and Sokka: Their parents were taken away from them when they were little and they were forced into responsibility. Their mom died when they were little, and their dad had to leave to fight in the war. Sokka became a fatherly figure to Katara, protecting her, and Katara became a motherly to figure to Sokka. (He says in The Runaway that when he tries to imagine his mom's face, all he sees is Katara.)
Toph: Her parents don't understand her and are constanly trying to protect her from anything and everything. They don't know her personality. They think of her as a fragile person who needs to be looked after all the time. All she wants is for them to see that she can take care of herself and that her blindness has never a been a diability or a burden, but a strength to her.
Zuko: His mom left when he was little and his father never really loved him. The Zuko that we met at the beginning of the series wanted the love, respect, and admiration of his father, something he was never going to get, we realized after we met the Fire Lord. The Zuko now realizes all he ever really needed was respect and love for himself to be happy, not the approval of anyone else, especially his father.
Most of these characters only want their parents to love them and respect them. They want their parents to be proud of who they are or the person they have become.
So, that's my explaination. This thread was a GREAT idea!!!! I've been looking for something like this for a long time because none of my friends watch Avatar, even though I tell them they're missing out. Oh, well.
Please reply if you agree, disagree, or want to discuss more on this topic. I appreciate it!
-Avatar44vb
| tomtitan wrote: |
| Good points. All of the characters have had mommy issues at some point. Nicely done. Abridged Zuko-Daddy doesn't love me. |
Did you know that Ozai rapes Zuko with a shovel? Trufax! :O
But did all have mommy issues.. Interesting..
| tomtitan wrote: |
| Good points. All of the characters have had mommy issues at some point. Nicely done. Abridged Zuko-Daddy doesn't love me. |
| avatar44vb wrote: |
Katara just happened to fill a spot that Aang needed and that he never had in his life before, which may be why it's so hard for him to let her go. It wouldn't be easy to let a mother go, or in his case, to not feel attraction and devotion to a mother, would it? -Avatar44vb |
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Thanks! Can we talk about archetypes too? i created a thread earlier but I think it was taken off. Archetypes are universal, recurring patterns that occur in literature, TV, etc. I'll start: Good vs. Evil!! (I don't think I need to explain this one, do I?) -avatar44vb |
ok i dont know if this has already been mentioned in this topic (too many paragraphs to skim through )
but the first great effect that i noticed (and im picking out a specific scene here to emphasize how well thought out each shot is) was in 'the avatar returns' in book 1...near the end of the episode...aang finally relieves himself of the burden of admitting that he didn't want to be the avatar in the first place...and as soon as he says that...and dark cloud passes over him and then over katara and sokka...after the burden has passed(the dark cloud)...the sun peeks through the clouds and shines right on them as aang has finally come to terms with wat he is
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| anony6983 wrote: |
ok i dont know if this has already been mentioned in this topic (too many paragraphs to skim through but the first great effect that i noticed (and im picking out a specific scene here to emphasize how well thought out each shot is) was in 'the avatar returns' in book 1...near the end of the episode...aang finally relieves himself of the burden of admitting that he didn't want to be the avatar in the first place...and as soon as he says that...and dark cloud passes over him and then over katara and sokka...after the burden has passed(the dark cloud)...the sun peeks through the clouds and shines right on them as aang has finally come to terms with wat he is |
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Ooh... Nice catch! So basically, sometimes the weather reflects the characters' feelings, right? In that case, I'll point towards The Storm. Notice how a fierce storm came when Aang had to admitt his feelings of hurt. It revealed an inner storm, like a metaphor. |
| moskalenkoroman wrote: |
| I want to talk about choice and dastiny.Studing the way of people thoughts I understand that people think that destiny is some kind of way of life.And each person cannt avoid his destiny and will face it sooner or later.In other hand we have choice people thinks that always is choice and they can controll their way of life making thertain choices.The answer is:Are we really makes choises to make our dastiny or choices are only a part of our destiny. |
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I go more with destiny; I kind of have to since my religion doesn't generally believe in free will. But I think there's some part free will plays in destiny.
I was going to say something, but my train of thought sort of hit a couch, went off track, and crashed.
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