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Analysing Avatar: The Last Airbender

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    speechless8582

    [21]May 21, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)


    I disagree. That episode is obviously Zutara. Two sides overcoming differences and becoming one? ZUTARA IS CANON!!1!111!!one!!!111!

    just kidding...don't hate me!
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    xRamensx

    [22]May 21, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)

    I disagree. That episode is obviously Zutara. Two sides overcoming differences and becoming one? ZUTARA IS CANON!!1!111!!one!!!111! just kidding...don't hate me!

    NUUU! KATAANG WILL WIN FOREVA!!!11!ELEVEN

    Besides, I think Zukaang would be a better example of that.

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    [23]May 21, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)


    While it is the worst episode in Avatar history, it is still pretty good. I'd give the Great Divide a 8.5 or an A-. The fact that this episode isn't the best yet it is still better than most other shows makes me laugh.

    Reason for The Great Divide: Aang learns about his Avatar duties and restoring balance (even if his methods are quite questionable).
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    speechless8582

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    xRamensx wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)

    I disagree. That episode is obviously Zutara. Two sides overcoming differences and becoming one? ZUTARA IS CANON!!1!111!!one!!!111! just kidding...don't hate me!

    NUUU! KATAANG WILL WIN FOREVA!!!11!ELEVEN

    Besides, I think Zukaang would be a better example of that.

    I think Azulaang is a good exampe of that too.

    Or Azutara. 0_o

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    xRamensx wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)

    I disagree. That episode is obviously Zutara. Two sides overcoming differences and becoming one? ZUTARA IS CANON!!1!111!!one!!!111! just kidding...don't hate me!

    NUUU! KATAANG WILL WIN FOREVA!!!11!ELEVEN

    Besides, I think Zukaang would be a better example of that.


    Zutaraang.

    I think CoD demonstrates the future friendship of Katara and Zuko. It shows how they have a lot in common and can get along. It's foreshadowing their future close friendship (which I seriously doubt will end up as a relationship)
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    isabelwhatx

    [26]May 21, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)


    Ahahaha, I think that episode has significance. It talks about how Aang still isn't a full avatar yet, and how much more he has to learn. Although he's doing his job to try and unite the people, trying isn't enough sometimes. It symbolizes Aang in his premature stages of becoming a full fledged Avatar. He will fail, but in the end he'll prevail. I think it kind of relates to DOBS. He tried, he failed. But eventually he'll prevail. AHAHA I LOVE MY RHYMING. But yeah, I definitely think it has significance. It basically just shows how Aang isn't ready to be an actual Avatar yet.
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)

    I disagree. That episode is obviously Zutara. Two sides overcoming differences and becoming one? ZUTARA IS CANON!!1!111!!one!!!111! just kidding...don't hate me!

    NUUU! KATAANG WILL WIN FOREVA!!!11!ELEVEN

    Besides, I think Zukaang would be a better example of that.

    Zutaraang. I think CoD demonstrates the future friendship of Katara and Zuko. It shows how they have a lot in common and can get along. It's foreshadowing their future close friendship (which I seriously doubt will end up as a relationship)

    Zuko, Katara, and Aang threesome? Hm.. I highly approve. That would shut the shippers up.

    Yeah, Katara and Zuko are good as BFFs (srsly, Zuko has become BFFs with pretty much everybody) not lovers. Besides, do you know what Katara and Zuko Happy Friendship Time means? NINJAS!

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    catgator185

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    Other themes are balance(the 4 elements + nations and the spirit world), love, and the kind of cliche good conquers evil theme. I don't feel liking getting into a rant into this today maybe tomorrow.
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    SilverDragonfan

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    First thing Tom, you spelt analyzing wrong, and second, that guess the character's weights thread was mine lol. It had been done before, but I wanted to bring it back for the sake of insanity on my part. I like your points though, but I'm just not sure if it's an epic win thread.

    And sadly, it seems as if the discussion has gone toward Zutara vs. Kataang. I guess it can't be helped...*dissapears*
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    catgator185

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    Well, I'm really tired to analyze too much. But the first thing I thought of analyzing was Zuko's scar, and the symbolism.

    I love how in the first season, we first see Zuko as a symbol of hatred and tryanny that the fire nation has over the world. Zuko's scar just added to the idea that the Fire Nation is evil. In these first few episodes the viewers really only saw Zuko as representing what we knew of the Fire Nation, and the scar just made the viewer feel even more hate and ugliness towards Zuko and the nation we saw him as representing.

    Then, in "The Storm", we realize that Zuko's scar is not a reflection of himself, but of the Fire Lord. Zuko's scar symbolizes his tragic past and his unhappiness and struggle. This is when we first start to see Zuko is a different light. Maybe Zuko's scar really symbolizes that not all people of the fire nation are evil, or symbolizes how influenced people of the fire nation are by their leader to strive to please a leader, even father, that hates them.

    In season 2, the scar continues to symbolize Zuko's inner problems with himself. While he wants to be happy and start a new life and listen to his Uncle, he cannot let the fact that he is the prince of the Fire Nation go. The scar is an ugly reminder that Zuko is and always will be part of the Fire Nation.

    Then finally, in season 3 (post DOBS), the scar symbolizes Zuko's past, and the side that he has chosen. Even when Zuko was young, he realized right from wrong, and this scar is what he has earned from speaking his mind. The scar is now a reminder to Zuko that he had always chosen the good side, and had always cared for people, and will continue to do so. It is now not an ugly symbol of himself, but of the nation he wants to save and redeem.

    Yeah...I might be way off...tired...
    You forgot the foreshadowing of Katara offering to help heal his scar. This foreshadows the fact that they'll help him "save" the firenation, and therefore help himself. She's giving up the sacred water to help him, just like she's giving up her suspicions about him. I think that Zuko might die in the end, if we go by that philosophy. He rejected the help so Katara could help Aang. One of them suffered while the other was saved. Either Aang or Zuko will die. It's like the Harry Potter prophesy =p Any comments?
    How could i forget that?! Katara offering to heal Zuko's scar shows that it is possible for Zuko to turn back his ways and change the Fire Nation forever. While he can't change the past and change what he was done, he can change the future and what he will become. Therefore, the scare symbolizes that change is possible (and forshadows the capability of Zuko's good side)

    Plus we see how Zuko viewed it then "I used to think this scar marked me, the mark of the banished prince forced to chase the avatar forever, but lately I've realized I'm free to determine my own destiny".

    You can see how much Zuko had changed just by that one quote.

    Edited on 05/21/2008 4:54pm
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    I'm writing to discuss...on second thought, eff this. I just got out of doing essays and papers. Only paper I'm writing this summer is my lil Avatar project, and that's strictly for fun.
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    isabelwhatx

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    catgator185 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:

    Well, I'm really tired to analyze too much. But the first thing I thought of analyzing was Zuko's scar, and the symbolism.

    I love how in the first season, we first see Zuko as a symbol of hatred and tryanny that the fire nation has over the world. Zuko's scar just added to the idea that the Fire Nation is evil. In these first few episodes the viewers really only saw Zuko as representing what we knew of the Fire Nation, and the scar just made the viewer feel even more hate and ugliness towards Zuko and the nation we saw him as representing.

    Then, in "The Storm", we realize that Zuko's scar is not a reflection of himself, but of the Fire Lord. Zuko's scar symbolizes his tragic past and his unhappiness and struggle. This is when we first start to see Zuko is a different light. Maybe Zuko's scar really symbolizes that not all people of the fire nation are evil, or symbolizes how influenced people of the fire nation are by their leader to strive to please a leader, even father, that hates them.

    In season 2, the scar continues to symbolize Zuko's inner problems with himself. While he wants to be happy and start a new life and listen to his Uncle, he cannot let the fact that he is the prince of the Fire Nation go. The scar is an ugly reminder that Zuko is and always will be part of the Fire Nation.

    Then finally, in season 3 (post DOBS), the scar symbolizes Zuko's past, and the side that he has chosen. Even when Zuko was young, he realized right from wrong, and this scar is what he has earned from speaking his mind. The scar is now a reminder to Zuko that he had always chosen the good side, and had always cared for people, and will continue to do so. It is now not an ugly symbol of himself, but of the nation he wants to save and redeem.

    Yeah...I might be way off...tired...
    You forgot the foreshadowing of Katara offering to help heal his scar. This foreshadows the fact that they'll help him "save" the firenation, and therefore help himself. She's giving up the sacred water to help him, just like she's giving up her suspicions about him. I think that Zuko might die in the end, if we go by that philosophy. He rejected the help so Katara could help Aang. One of them suffered while the other was saved. Either Aang or Zuko will die. It's like the Harry Potter prophesy =p Any comments?
    How could i forget that?! Katara offering to heal Zuko's scar shows that it is possible for Zuko to turn back his ways and change the Fire Nation forever. While he can't change the past and change what he was done, he can change the future and what he will become. Therefore, the scare symbolizes that change is possible (and forshadows the capability of Zuko's good side)

    Plus we see how Zuko viewed it then "I used to think this scar marked me, the mark of the banished prince forced to chase the avatar forever, but lately I've realized I'm free to determine my own destiny".

    You can see how much Zuko had changed just by that one quote.

    Zuko is so fun to talk about =]
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    DeeDuck33

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    SilverDragonfan wrote:
    First thing Tom, you spelt analyzing wrong, and second, that guess the character's weights thread was mine lol. It had been done before, but I wanted to bring it back for the sake of insanity on my part. I like your points though, but I'm just not sure if it's an epic win thread.

    And sadly, it seems as if the discussion has gone toward Zutara vs. Kataang. I guess it can't be helped...*dissapears*

    1. He's from the UK. American spelling isn't the only way to spell.

    2. There has to be at least one thread here that evokes thought.

    3. We're only talking about Zuko's character development. Not really a Kataang vs. Zutara argument going on.

    Lighten up.
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    dark_aquatus

    [34]May 21, 2008
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    tl;dr
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    RR4RogueRaven

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    dark_aquatus wrote:
    tl;dr
    Sorry but what does it means?

    So a real good thing about Avatar is that the characters will act in a natural way. They are wick and they will prove it. It is amazing how when we (At different times) were thinking Zuko was ready to change he showed us he wasn't Because in his mind his days as Prince at that moment were golden memories, He forced that image into his mind and he had to see how fake it was before he was ready.

    I may question the Aang section in ToBSS as the only one without anymeaning. But hell for that emptyness we have a completely full Iroh's and Zuko's tales.

    A real important point is that till this moment the villains haven't failed or have been defeated in a simple non significative way. Both Zhao and Long Fen were caught in their own game.

    And there are nice details thrown in there about real world stuff in there Like the very irony of Jet dying at the hands of Earth Kingdom people. And being helped by fire Nations.

    Zuko will propably has enough to talk about him to write a book, maybe two volumes. He's after the Storm what Boromir or Anakin. a good guy turned bad guy then turned good guy again) But now that I touched SW maybe one of the most impressiv e things bout Avatar is how they took a lot of elements already done and not only they make it look like original but they make it far better and credible. The end of Season two reflects a lot of SW themes but the way it was handle I can't see any flaws as many SWfans comply bout the Episodes I to III.

    As I said to a friend o mine once "We once saw how Orient adapted the whole of Occident mythos. But it doesn't look like an occident thinkin anymore (Not that I don't like Saint Seiya) and Avatar is the contrary thing and it reflects the principes of Orient philosopjies greatly I know this is not really an analysis but I hope it helps a lil with the topic.
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    DeeDuck33

    [36]May 21, 2008
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    "tl;dr" means "too long; didn't read"
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    "tl;dr" means "too long; didn't read"
    Oh thanks really couldn't figure that out in a year.
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    tomtitan

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    On the subject of 'The Great Divide'.
    'Redemption!'

    Kinda lame, but it's still a theme of the show referenced in an episode.

    On the whole Zuko's scar thing, I think it's symbolic of his two sides. The evil and good that are always at war inside of Zuko, to paraphrase Iroh in 306 (see why I love this quote?). The scarred side represents fire, destruction, war and everything his father has brought to the world, a constant reminder of all of those things. The scarred side represents his evil side. The other side reminds us that fire is also life and healing (Sun Warrior philosophy, anyone?). The other side represents how Zuko can choose not to follow his father. The other side represents his good side.
    Ironically, his scar was given to him because he was good. For doing the right thing, he was punished with a permanent reminder of the evils of the Fire Nation.

    Also, the scene in XROD with Zuko and Katara, IMHO, is foreshadowing for TSR. I'm willing to bet that in the 'previously, on Avatar' bit it will show something from that scene. Because there they talk about how they've both lost their mothers to the war, and we pretty much know for a fact that that's the episode where those loose threads are tied up.
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    momothelemur

    [39]May 22, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Also, analyse is spelled with an 's' in the UK. It's like mum, colour, humour, honour etc.

    I read too many American things...words spelt with a 'u' in them in the UK just look wrong to me now

    Anyway, great idea for a thread. I'll post something when I have a little more time than I do now. You may hate analysing things in English but it's one of my strongest points across any subject and I love doing it

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    FourthLegacy

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    good thread, too bad i lack the patience to read through it all.
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