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    tomtitan

    [61]May 24, 2008
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    Okay, character development. Character by character.

    Toph
    Toph appears to have had the least amount of character development in the main gaang. (3 stooges aside) She started off as a headstrong badass chick, and that's what she is now. The only real c-dev. she's had was with the issue with her parents. I think The Runaway does a better job of explaining that than I can.

    Katara
    Personality wise she's had little character development. She started off as a caring, optimistic girl with a temper, and she still is. What has developed is her bending. She started off as a total n00b, but as she progressed, trained and worked hard her skills improved. She's now a 1337bender.

    Sokka
    Sokka has had plenty of c-dev. Sokka started out as a sexist idiot with no fighting skills or belief in the supernatural. Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks.

    Aang
    He began as a fun-loving, immature airhead. Now Aang, after learning three more elements, is as mature as any adult. He's responsible, honest, serious and powerful, and at the same time he's a kid. I love that in Aang, he's just like me in that sense. (not to mention he scored with an older chick. Way to go Aang!)

    Zuko
    By far the most character development out of any character, except maybe Aang. Zuko started off as a narrow-minded, confused villain. Thanks to Iroh he's a hero in charge of his own destiny, and doesn't need to take orders from anyone, and doesn't need daddy's love to be happy. There's not much to say really, he turned from evil to good, and it took a helluvalong time.

    No other characters have really been developed as much as the main 5 that appear in my sig. Mai and Ty Lee turned good, but they didn't really develop as much as the gaang. They learned each others backstories, but didn't develop as a result. Azula hasn't developed much, I feel she will develop a bit more, but not by much. Her coming insanity will play a part in that fo'sho.

    And there you have it. The character development of the main characters.
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    avataraang4

    [62]May 24, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Okay, character development. Character by character.

    Toph
    Toph appears to have had the least amount of character development in the main gaang. (3 stooges aside) She started off as a headstrong badass chick, and that's what she is now. The only real c-dev. she's had was with the issue with her parents. I think The Runaway does a better job of explaining that than I can.

    Katara
    Personality wise she's had little character development. She started off as a caring, optimistic girl with a temper, and she still is. What has developed is her bending. She started off as a total n00b, but as she progressed, trained and worked hard her skills improved. She's now a 1337bender.

    Sokka
    Sokka has had plenty of c-dev. Sokka started out as a sexist idiot with no fighting skills or belief in the supernatural. Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks.

    Aang
    He began as a fun-loving, immature airhead. Now Aang, after learning three more elements, is as mature as any adult. He's responsible, honest, serious and powerful, and at the same time he's a kid. I love that in Aang, he's just like me in that sense. (not to mention he scored with an older chick. Way to go Aang!)

    Zuko
    By far the most character development out of any character, except maybe Aang. Zuko started off as a narrow-minded, confused villain. Thanks to Iroh he's a hero in charge of his own destiny, and doesn't need to take orders from anyone, and doesn't need daddy's love to be happy. There's not much to say really, he turned from evil to good, and it took a helluvalong time.

    No other characters have really been developed as much as the main 5 that appear in my sig. Mai and Ty Lee turned good, but they didn't really develop as much as the gaang. They learned each others backstories, but didn't develop as a result. Azula hasn't developed much, I feel she will develop a bit more, but not by much. Her coming insanity will play a part in that fo'sho.

    And there you have it. The character development of the main characters.

    What about Iroh i think his character has changed alot because us as viewers have seen him change from being not evil but bad in a way then we find out that he has been good all the time which is development in some way i think.
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    tomtitan

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    Iroh hasn't changed. Our perception of him has changed. In 101 we saw him with Zuko and naturally assumed he was the enemy, when really all this time he's been trying to steer Zuko to the side of good.

    Iroh's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, it's our view of him which hasn't.
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Iroh hasn't changed. Our perception of him has changed. In 101 we saw him with Zuko and naturally assumed he was the enemy, when really all this time he's been trying to steer Zuko to the side of good.

    Iroh's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, it's our view of him which hasn't.


    True but in the episode where we saw him battling the Earth City of Ba sing say (spelt wrong) we saw the true evil side of Iroh although he hasn't changed much he still was evil at some point meaning his character has developed in a huge way from turning from evil to good.
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    avataraang4 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Iroh hasn't changed. Our perception of him has changed. In 101 we saw him with Zuko and naturally assumed he was the enemy, when really all this time he's been trying to steer Zuko to the side of good.

    Iroh's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, it's our view of him which hasn't.


    True but in the episode where we saw him battling the Earth City of Ba sing say (spelt wrong) we saw the true evil side of Iroh although he hasn't changed much he still was evil at some point meaning his character has developed in a huge way from turning from evil to good.
    That happened before the series. Before the series he went through massive c-dev. That's why Bryke want to do a spinoff with him. Once the series began his c-dev. was complete.
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    tomtitan wrote:
    avataraang4 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Iroh hasn't changed. Our perception of him has changed. In 101 we saw him with Zuko and naturally assumed he was the enemy, when really all this time he's been trying to steer Zuko to the side of good.

    Iroh's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, it's our view of him which hasn't.


    True but in the episode where we saw him battling the Earth City of Ba sing say (spelt wrong) we saw the true evil side of Iroh although he hasn't changed much he still was evil at some point meaning his character has developed in a huge way from turning from evil to good.
    That happened before the series. Before the series he went through massive c-dev. That's why Bryke want to do a spinoff with him. Once the series began his c-dev. was complete.

    Oh a spin off of Iroh would be awesome and i guess you are right.
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Sokka
    Sokka has had plenty of c-dev. Sokka started out as a sexist idiot with no fighting skills or belief in the supernatural. Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks.

    Sokka's character development is one of my favorites. He went from being Zukowned in .5 seconds to taking down faceless guard #561 on top of a rhino during the invasion all by himself in .25 seconds. Plus, without him, the gaang would have failed even more misrebly.
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    Boomeraaaang

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Okay, character development. Character by character. Toph Toph appears to have had the least amount of character development in the main gaang. (3 stooges aside) She started off as a headstrong badass chick, and that's what she is now. The only real c-dev. she's had was with the issue with her parents. I think The Runaway does a better job of explaining that than I can. Katara Personality wise she's had little character development. She started off as a caring, optimistic girl with a temper, and she still is. What has developed is her bending. She started off as a total n00b, but as she progressed, trained and worked hard her skills improved. She's now a 1337bender. Sokka Sokka has had plenty of c-dev. Sokka started out as a sexist idiot with no fighting skills or belief in the supernatural. Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks. Aang He began as a fun-loving, immature airhead. Now Aang, after learning three more elements, is as mature as any adult. He's responsible, honest, serious and powerful, and at the same time he's a kid. I love that in Aang, he's just like me in that sense. (not to mention he scored with an older chick. Way to go Aang!) Zuko By far the most character development out of any character, except maybe Aang. Zuko started off as a narrow-minded, confused villain. Thanks to Iroh he's a hero in charge of his own destiny, and doesn't need to take orders from anyone, and doesn't need daddy's love to be happy. There's not much to say really, he turned from evil to good, and it took a helluvalong time. No other characters have really been developed as much as the main 5 that appear in my sig. Mai and Ty Lee turned good, but they didn't really develop as much as the gaang. They learned each others backstories, but didn't develop as a result. Azula hasn't developed much, I feel she will develop a bit more, but not by much. Her coming insanity will play a part in that fo'sho. And there you have it. The character development of the main characters.

    Great post in a great thread. Props, tomititan!

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    Boomeraaaang wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Okay, character development. Character by character. Toph Toph appears to have had the least amount of character development in the main gaang. (3 stooges aside) She started off as a headstrong badass chick, and that's what she is now. The only real c-dev. she's had was with the issue with her parents. I think The Runaway does a better job of explaining that than I can. Katara Personality wise she's had little character development. She started off as a caring, optimistic girl with a temper, and she still is. What has developed is her bending. She started off as a total n00b, but as she progressed, trained and worked hard her skills improved. She's now a 1337bender. Sokka Sokka has had plenty of c-dev. Sokka started out as a sexist idiot with no fighting skills or belief in the supernatural. Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks. Aang He began as a fun-loving, immature airhead. Now Aang, after learning three more elements, is as mature as any adult. He's responsible, honest, serious and powerful, and at the same time he's a kid. I love that in Aang, he's just like me in that sense. (not to mention he scored with an older chick. Way to go Aang!) Zuko By far the most character development out of any character, except maybe Aang. Zuko started off as a narrow-minded, confused villain. Thanks to Iroh he's a hero in charge of his own destiny, and doesn't need to take orders from anyone, and doesn't need daddy's love to be happy. There's not much to say really, he turned from evil to good, and it took a helluvalong time. No other characters have really been developed as much as the main 5 that appear in my sig. Mai and Ty Lee turned good, but they didn't really develop as much as the gaang. They learned each others backstories, but didn't develop as a result. Azula hasn't developed much, I feel she will develop a bit more, but not by much. Her coming insanity will play a part in that fo'sho. And there you have it. The character development of the main characters.

    Great post in a great thread. Props, tomititan!


    I'd give you internetz, but i don't know what they are.

    anyways. 69. lol.
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    NerdyPrepxoxo wrote:
    69

    I think I love you.

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    NerdyPrepxoxo wrote:

    I'd give you internetz, but i don't know what they are.

    anyways. 69. lol.

    Internetz is a form of make-believe currency. You give it out randomly when ever someone does something awesome. You can always give out more internetz than you have.
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    Jancro-Liva wrote:

    NerdyPrepxoxo wrote:
    69

    I think I love you.


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    tomtitan wrote:
    Okay, character development. Character by character. Toph Toph appears to have had the least amount of character development in the main gaang. (3 stooges aside) She started off as a headstrong badass chick, and that's what she is now. The only real c-dev. she's had was with the issue with her parents. I think The Runaway does a better job of explaining that than I can. Katara Personality wise she's had little character development. She started off as a caring, optimistic girl with a temper, and she still is. What has developed is her bending. She started off as a total n00b, but as she progressed, trained and worked hard her skills improved. She's now a 1337bender. Sokka Sokka has had plenty of c-dev. Sokka started out as a sexist idiot with no fighting skills or belief in the supernatural. Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks. Aang He began as a fun-loving, immature airhead. Now Aang, after learning three more elements, is as mature as any adult. He's responsible, honest, serious and powerful, and at the same time he's a kid. I love that in Aang, he's just like me in that sense. (not to mention he scored with an older chick. Way to go Aang!) Zuko By far the most character development out of any character, except maybe Aang. Zuko started off as a narrow-minded, confused villain. Thanks to Iroh he's a hero in charge of his own destiny, and doesn't need to take orders from anyone, and doesn't need daddy's love to be happy. There's not much to say really, he turned from evil to good, and it took a helluvalong time. No other characters have really been developed as much as the main 5 that appear in my sig. Mai and Ty Lee turned good, but they didn't really develop as much as the gaang. They learned each others backstories, but didn't develop as a result. Azula hasn't developed much, I feel she will develop a bit more, but not by much. Her coming insanity will play a part in that fo'sho. And there you have it. The character development of the main characters.

    I disagree that Katara has no c-development. Please see my earlier post.

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    Right, good points, well said.

    yogi_tulsii wrote:
    I disagree about Katara's character development being little. She is always looking to see the good in everyone, but this starts to be tested by Jet's betrayal. When Toph, the complete opposite of her joins the team, she turns little bit more hardened as she is appalled and angry at Tophs behaviour, no matter how hard she tries to reason with herself. Later on, she encounters Jet and her temper blows up, and only after a lot of persuasion does she forgive him. Her character has now developed a temper, and a tendency to hold grudges. When faced with Zuko, she blows up again, and he just sits there, taking it all. When he convinces her he has turn good, she offers to heal his scar, but is betrayed again, and develops a huge grudge at him. Later on, when facing him in the western aair temple, she doesnt forgive him easily nd for the rest of the episodes is mean to him, even after he has proved himself. Clearly, Zukos transformation from evil to good parallels Kataras transformation from good to, well, not so good.
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    Why is this on the fourth page? This is too awesome to be here. I just got a book on Tai Ch'i and another on stories about Chinese calligraphy. Once I read them, I think I'm going to have a lot to analyze.

    But thing I remember when reading about Yin and Yang. Yin is the negative force, but it means yielding, while Yang is the positive one, and it has to do with action. Aang was always the one to try to stop a fight, or yield it. And Azula was the one to bring about a fight (though not always since she seem to try avoid a fight if she didn't have to)

    So, would that make Aang the negative force and Ozai and Azula, the positive? I'll read more about it, but right now, it's something I found very interesting.

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    avataraang4 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Iroh hasn't changed. Our perception of him has changed. In 101 we saw him with Zuko and naturally assumed he was the enemy, when really all this time he's been trying to steer Zuko to the side of good.

    Iroh's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, it's our view of him which hasn't.


    True but in the episode where we saw him battling the Earth City of Ba sing say (spelt wrong) we saw the true evil side of Iroh although he hasn't changed much he still was evil at some point meaning his character has developed in a huge way from turning from evil to good.


    there is no such thing as good or evil, what the earth kingdom thinks is good, the fire nation thinks its evil and vice-cersa. Iroh was just serving his country, you would too if you were a high and mighty general.
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    CoolioVonJulio wrote:
    avataraang4 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Iroh hasn't changed. Our perception of him has changed. In 101 we saw him with Zuko and naturally assumed he was the enemy, when really all this time he's been trying to steer Zuko to the side of good. Iroh's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, it's our view of him which hasn't.
    True but in the episode where we saw him battling the Earth City of Ba sing say (spelt wrong) we saw the true evil side of Iroh although he hasn't changed much he still was evil at some point meaning his character has developed in a huge way from turning from evil to good.
    there is no such thing as good or evil, what the earth kingdom thinks is good, the fire nation thinks its evil and vice-cersa. Iroh was just serving his country, you would too if you were a high and mighty general.

    agreed. the perception of good and evil depends on manty different things. and in no way is one person's definition the same.

    One person may view what he was doing as good while another may percieve it as evil. As seen by many antagonaists and protagonists in the series. Roku viewed Sozin's idea's of world dominatiuon as evil while sozin thought that he was doing good

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks.

    Except the invasion failed. Ohhhhhhh.

    Anyway, I disagree with you that Toph hasn't had any development. Yeah she's still tough and headstrong (if she weren't I'd be angry), but she's also learned what it means to have friends. She didn't really care about anybody but herself before, but now she looks after the other guys. If that makes any sense.

    Edited on 05/27/2008 6:48pm
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    SlargTheGnome wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Now, Sokka is a mighty warrior, a 'water tribe genious' and possesses such knowledge of the supernatural he planned an entire invasion based on a cosmic event. (not to mention, he planned an entire invasion) In short, Sokka rocks.

    Except the invasion failed. Ohhhhhhh.

    Anyway, I disagree with you that Toph hasn't had any development. Yeah she's still tough and headstrong (if she weren't I'd be angry), but she's also learned what it means to have friends. She didn't really care about anybody but herself before, but now she looks after the other guys. If that makes any sense.

    Good point.

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    fatsomama

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    I love these types of threads that actually take a brain Thx tom...

    As to xRamensx thoughts on yin and yang...I think one of the points Bryke has been trying to make in terms of yin and yang is that everyone can have that within themselves. We see that most easily with Zuko.

    Aang may be the one trying to unite people and bring peace instead of fight, which could be taken as yielding. But he's going to take action to do it as well. I have no doubt Aang will show mercy in the end, to Ozai or Azula or whoever he has the last big showdown with, but he will most certainly have to take action and be the agressor to get to that point.

    Everyone has the potential for good or evil, everyone has a choice to make. This may seem to totally contradict ideas of destiny or fate, unless you believe that life is a little bit of both. Like a path in the forest, when the path splits you have a choice. Sometimes though, once you make that choice you are destined to go down that path to it's end. That's kinda what I believe anyways
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