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Analysing Avatar: The Last Airbender

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    Blue_Spirit_524

    [41]May 22, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    On the subject of 'The Great Divide'.
    'Redemption!'

    Kinda lame, but it's still a theme of the show referenced in an episode.

    On the whole Zuko's scar thing, I think it's symbolic of his two sides. The evil and good that are always at war inside of Zuko, to paraphrase Iroh in 306 (see why I love this quote?). The scarred side represents fire, destruction, war and everything his father has brought to the world, a constant reminder of all of those things. The scarred side represents his evil side. The other side reminds us that fire is also life and healing (Sun Warrior philosophy, anyone?). The other side represents how Zuko can choose not to follow his father. The other side represents his good side.
    Ironically, his scar was given to him because he was good. For doing the right thing, he was punished with a permanent reminder of the evils of the Fire Nation.

    Also, the scene in XROD with Zuko and Katara, IMHO, is foreshadowing for TSR. I'm willing to bet that in the 'previously, on Avatar' bit it will show something from that scene. Because there they talk about how they've both lost their mothers to the war, and we pretty much know for a fact that that's the episode where those loose threads are tied up.

    Along with the evil/good side of Zuko's face. In S2 everytime Zuko was doing something that would make his father happy the sceen would focus on his scared face, and every time he did something that would make Iroh happy it would focus on his non-scared face.
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    xRamensx

    [42]May 22, 2008
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    I'm bored so I feel like analyzing some more stuff. Let's look at the theme of hope, shall we?

    Hope has been a theme since the very beginning. Even in the opening of the first episode, Katara was shown to have hope. She had hope that the Avatar was born into the Air Nomads and he or she was alive somewhere. Sure, you can call it naive optimism, but didn't it turn out well? Even before Katara knew that Aang was the Avatar, the fact that he was an Airbender, a race supposedly extinct, gave her hope.

    If you take what Iroh said in CoD, "You can't always see the light at the end of the tunnel, but if you keeping moving forward, you will come to a better place." Hope is a key factor in being able to move forward. Without it, how do you have the will to do so?

    But there are times when you can lose it too. If something horrific might happen to you or someone you know, you're not going to particularly positive, are you? A sign of strong character is being about to find the light in a seemingly dark situation. Aang lost hope when Appa went missing, and even went through different stages of loss. Which wasn't exactly the same as the stages of grief, but they were similar. He felt anger, even lashing out at Toph who was busy trying to keep them from sinking, he felt a form of acceptance, but he used this emotion to block any feelings of sadness. And finally, he felt hope.

    I feel like I'd start blathering if I continued, so I'm going to end here for now. If someone wants to add onto this, go right ahead.

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    SilverDragonfan

    [43]May 22, 2008
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    Ok, so we need to be analyzing one thing at a time to make sense right? Zuko's scar is probably symbolic, of course the creators could have put it there to add a deeper dimension to his character, symbolizing his hurt and banishment, and the conflict in his mind over his loyalty to his father. I think it may be healed in the end but we never know. The creators could have just put it there to make him look cool lol.

    Anyway, this could mean that everything in Avatar, down to the smallest detail, could have been put there because of some sort of meaning. Even the cabbage man and the foamy mouth guy have meaning. I know it sounds crazy, but the cabbage man is an example of a man who keeps losing, but always goes onward, and the foamy mouth guy? He got caught up in a craze.

    Talking about Iroh though, I find him to be the deepest character in the show. One only needs to look at his wiki page to see the depth the creators gave him. I didn't notice that with Zuko's face actually, good eyes. That proves that his scar is symbolic of the fight inside him.

    Now this show is much deeper than Naruto, even though I find the beginning episodes to be very childish, but so was Aang in the beginning, and they show how much he's grown up over the course of the 3 seasons. And so, we spend the good part of an hour looking deeper into the show, but I must stop at that point, because this, my friends, is the true reason so many are Avatards...

    This show goes down deep, deeper than any other. There is real emotion, real pain, and real symbolism. But as Tom said, we must only scratch the surface, or fall in. That is why I will not spend longer talking about the depth of avatar, as one could easily drown in epicness.

    And I'm pretty sure I won't be quoted on that one.

    Edited on 05/22/2008 1:01pm
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    xRamensx

    [44]May 22, 2008
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    Ok, here's something;

    What do you think Freud would do if he saw this show?

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    KingAtticus

    [45]May 22, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    The fun thing about Avatar: the fillers actually add to the story! Each episode is important in some way. Everything will play into eachother at the end. It may seem like some of these episodes have nothing to do with anything, but just wait and see. Everything is pretty important.
    I completely agree. You miss one episode, you can't fully understand the story. Each episode has something to offer. EACH ONE. Ahahhaa. But seriously, name an episode and I'll give a significance. That's the amazing thing about this how, EVERYTHING is significant.

    "The Great Divide" Srsly, if you can find a reason for that episode, I applaud you. Apart from the fact that Aang will lie to people to just get them to shut the hell up.

    However, I'm one of the few who doesn't downright hate that episode (I just won't willingly watch it again)


    When given the oppurtunity to see past differences and come together to achieve a common goal or cause, people won't be at the great divide known as race.
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    KingAtticus

    [46]May 22, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    Ok, here's something;

    What do you think Freud would do if he saw this show?


    Freud would be like a poor child in a candy store with Nightmares and Daydreams, certainly due to the fact that Freud is known for his idea that dreams contain the longings and fears hidden in the subconscious.

    Other than that, he'd say many things that would seem very controversial for several decades.
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    xRamensx

    [47]May 22, 2008
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    KingAtticus wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Ok, here's something;

    What do you think Freud would do if he saw this show?

    Freud would be like a poor child in a candy store with Nightmares and Daydreams, certainly due to the fact that Freud is known for his idea that dreams contain the longings and fears hidden in the subconscious. Other than that, he'd say many things that would seem very controversial for several decades.

    I think it's hilarious that he connected everything with sex. And what do a lot of us do when we watch Avatar? The perverted fans anyway.

    I heard that there was an SNL skit with Gilda Radner playing Freud's daughter, and had her talking to Freud about a dream she had. Freud was pretty much having a seizure from the stuff that was in her dream. Something about bananas.. I think of Freud having a similar reaction if he saw Avatar.

    There is subtext everywhere; whether or not it's intentional.

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    KingAtticus

    [48]May 22, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:
    KingAtticus wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Ok, here's something;

    What do you think Freud would do if he saw this show?

    Freud would be like a poor child in a candy store with Nightmares and Daydreams, certainly due to the fact that Freud is known for his idea that dreams contain the longings and fears hidden in the subconscious. Other than that, he'd say many things that would seem very controversial for several decades.

    I think it's hilarious that he connected everything with sex. And what do a lot of us do when we watch Avatar? The perverted fans anyway.

    I heard that there was an SNL skit with Gilda Radner playing Freud's daughter, and had her talking to Freud about a dream she had. Freud was pretty much having a seizure from the stuff that was in her dream. Something about bananas.. I think of Freud having a similar reaction if he saw Avatar.

    There is subtext everywhere; whether or not it's intentional.


    I think he did that because his theories were created in the late 19th century, a time when sex was a hush-hush matter in the scientific community of Western society.
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    SilverDragonfan

    [49]May 22, 2008
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    Ah, the off topic time...

    No really, this is analyzing. It is?

    It is.

    Okay then, anyone else have any new topics to add?
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    DeeDuck33

    [50]May 22, 2008
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    I'm just waiting for Shoalina (I seriously need to learn to spell ) to come.

    *waits*
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    _Iroh_

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    my favorite quote EVER: "Pride is not the opposite of shame but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame." - Iroh
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    DeeDuck33

    [52]May 22, 2008
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    _Iroh_ wrote:
    my favorite quote EVER: "Pride is not the opposite of shame but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame." - Iroh

    Avatar has such good quotes that I could never choose just one to be my fav.

    Iroh = more than wise
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    Shaolina23

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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    I'm just waiting for Shoalina (I seriously need to learn to spell ) to come. *waits*

    How sweet. I just found this topic and I'm in serious love. XD To talk about avatar for something more than shipping! Too bad I'm too tired to rant and the one I did today was LONG! I knew it was going to be long but when I finished I was like "Holy crap" XD

    And about the good vs evil is in Zuko's face I also noticed that. XD And I agree Tomtitan. Most likely the "previously on avatar" of the next episode will have the CoD cave sceen since it's the Zuko-Katara friendship episode!

    I'll try to do a rant tomorrow if I get here early enough. I was thinking about how Aang trains to become an avatar with more than just bending. You hear the premise of the show and it seems like all Aang needs to do is learn how to splash water, throw rocks, light up, and airbend (ok, I couldn't think of one for this XD) but along the way he meets wise people who helps him see things in a different way and we learn that there's more to it than just magical kun-fu... and that is awesome my friends. Any other show or anime would be in Tim "the toolman" Tailor mode: screaming "more power." But that's not our show. No way.

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    tomtitan

    [54]May 23, 2008
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    Shaolina23 wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    I'm just waiting for Shoalina (I seriously need to learn to spell ) to come. *waits*

    How sweet. I just found this topic and I'm in serious love. XD To talk about avatar for something more than shipping! Too bad I'm too tired to rant and the one I did today was LONG! I knew it was going to be long but when I finished I was like "Holy crap" XD

    And about the good vs evil is in Zuko's face I also noticed that. XD And I agree Tomtitan. Most likely the "previously on avatar" of the next episode will have the CoD cave sceen since it's the Zuko-Katara friendship episode!

    I'll try to do a rant tomorrow if I get here early enough. I was thinking about how Aang trains to become an avatar with more than just bending. You hear the premise of the show and it seems like all Aang needs to do is learn how to splash water, throw rocks, light up, and airbend (ok, I couldn't think of one for this XD) but along the way he meets wise people who helps him see things in a different way and we learn that there's more to it than just magical kun-fu... and that is awesome my friends. Any other show or anime would be in Tim "the toolman" Tailor mode: screaming "more power." But that's not our show. No way.

    I want to expand on that last point, about how Aang learns more than just how to do some 'fancy splashes'. Because it's true, Aang has been learning a lot more.

    Every teacher he's had has had a certain personality fitting their native element.

    Katara- Loving, adaptive (The Desert), calm, occasionally angry. Like water.
    Toph- tough, headstrong, sturdy, strong-willed, like earth.
    Zuko- angry, tormented, quick-tempered, prone to moodswings, unpredictable, like fire.
    Gyatso- Fun-loving, free-spirited, cheerful, peaceful, like air.

    And as the teacher teaches Aang, Aang not only learns the element, but through the teacher learns the mentality of the native bender.

    At first, all he had was Gyatso's training, so naturally he was a free-spirited 12 year old.
    Then, he got Katara's training, and learned more about love and whatnot (well he does love Katara).
    After learning from Toph he gained insight into being tougher, more 'rock-like' as Toph puts it.
    Finally he's receiving training from Zuko, that's what Aang lacks, aggression. He needs to be aggressive to fight Ozai, he can't dodge, block and reflect attacks, he needs to throw some punches at Ozai too.

    It is the combination of the four elements in one person that makes the Avatar so powerful. This is true not only because the Avatar can do fancy splashes, throw rocks, shoot fire from their hands and blow people away, but because they've mastered four different fighting styles, and powerful Avatars can flawlessly switch between them in order to fight and beat anyone.

    IMO, that's why Aang failed at DOBS. I think Roku will mention something like this later on. Roku told him to master all four elements, this is the only way to beat Ozai. Their fatal flaw at DOBS was that Aang couldn't firebend.

    So yeah, Aang must master the four elements, and master the four very different fighting styles assosciated with them.

    Oh, one more thing. This thread is for analysis, not over-analysis. Saying Cabbage dude and Foamy are plot relevant is going too far. 20% of Avatar is action, 50% is plot, 10% is deeper meaning, and the last 20% is lulz. Cabbage and Foamy fall under the 'lulz' category.
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    Shaolina23 wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    I'm just waiting for Shoalina (I seriously need to learn to spell ) to come. *waits*

    How sweet. I just found this topic and I'm in serious love. XD To talk about avatar for something more than shipping! Too bad I'm too tired to rant and the one I did today was LONG! I knew it was going to be long but when I finished I was like "Holy crap" XD

    And about the good vs evil is in Zuko's face I also noticed that. XD And I agree Tomtitan. Most likely the "previously on avatar" of the next episode will have the CoD cave sceen since it's the Zuko-Katara friendship episode!

    I'll try to do a rant tomorrow if I get here early enough. I was thinking about how Aang trains to become an avatar with more than just bending. You hear the premise of the show and it seems like all Aang needs to do is learn how to splash water, throw rocks, light up, and airbend (ok, I couldn't think of one for this XD) but along the way he meets wise people who helps him see things in a different way and we learn that there's more to it than just magical kun-fu... and that is awesome my friends. Any other show or anime would be in Tim "the toolman" Tailor mode: screaming "more power." But that's not our show. No way.

    Yays, you finally came. I love to read smart responses.

    Too bad I'm kind of brain dead this week from finals and other time-consuming things. I'll analyze something when I can think again.

    tomtitan wrote:
    Oh, one more thing. This thread is for analysis, not over-analysis. Saying Cabbage dude and Foamy are plot relevant is going too far. 20% of Avatar is action, 50% is plot, 10% is deeper meaning, and the last 20% is lulz. Cabbage and Foamy fall under the 'lulz' category.

    My exact thoughts. Foamy is there just to make me smile.
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    SilverDragonfan

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    Yeah, I saw that episode with him in it again, (Turbonick) and I was surprised to see how much the mentality of the show, and not just Aang, has gotten since then. In the beginning the show was all lulz, just like Aang, but now that he's matured, so has the show. It's odd really, but the show is growing up right along with Aang. Even the animation is better. Anyone noticed this too? If you don't see what I mean, go to Turbonick and see one of the first 5 episodes.

    And yes, I was overanalyzing, (or analysing, as tom spells it in his country lulz) but it was for the sake of showing you what happens to me when I go too far past the surface of Avatar. I believe I ranted about that in the beginning of this thread...oh well. We shall continue analyzing Avatar. One quick thing, how do we know when we've gone too far? I mean that's the problem with analyzation threads, but I'm sure Tom's got that figured out. I hope this thread succeeds, but we need more people to keep the discussion alive.

    And I think you got that one wrong, the show is actually 30% lulz, but changed to 20% during season 3, although that would make it about 25%, but that seems like too much...

    I'm doing it again! Man it's so hard to be an Avatard.
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    I disagree about Katara's character development being little. She is always looking to see the good in everyone, but this starts to be tested by Jet's betrayal. When Toph, the complete opposite of her joins the team, she turns little bit more hardened as she is appalled and angry at Tophs behaviour, no matter how hard she tries to reason with herself. Later on, she encounters Jet and her temper blows up, and only after a lot of persuasion does she forgive him. Her character has now developed a temper, and a tendency to hold grudges. When faced with Zuko, she blows up again, and he just sits there, taking it all. When he convinces her he has turn good, she offers to heal his scar, but is betrayed again, and develops a huge grudge at him. Later on, when facing him in the western aair temple, she doesnt forgive him easily nd for the rest of the episodes is mean to him, even after he has proved himself. Clearly, Zukos transformation from evil to good parallels Kataras transformation from good to, well, not so good.
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    SilverDragonfan

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    Ooo, don't let Katara hear you say that, she'll cream you.

    *runs from angry Katara*
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    And here comes the over analyzation!

    Avatar has different theme's to its epic story. With battles that not only include ones when you have to fight face to face, but with inner turmoil. There are the main themes to the story, such as love versus power, love versus hate, war versus peace, mercy versus agression and so on. I've learned that it's all about making choices, and using them well in the long run.
    Take Aang for example: Even though he has the burden of the whole world on his shoulders, he knows how to control his actions in such a way where they cannot get too out of control. And no. I'm not saying that they haven't gotten out of control before.

    When you watch Avatar, you must look at the story from different angles. The show teaches you that everyone has different intentions and that people do have some good in them. Even Azula somewhat cares for her brother, and Ozai did are for Ursa in some form. But the main person I'm talking about here is Firelord Sozin. We can see that he was indeed a great man, and even started out with good intentions to better the world, but his power became twisted and corrupted over time.
    Even if we looked from the Fire Nation's perspective in the war and not in Aang's we do see that they can qualify as a nation with good intentions. But look at it this way, both sides have the same intention: to better the world.

    Avatar has also taught me something else...
    That children are smarter than adults. I am a teenager, yes, but this just kind of shocked me. Children are so innocent and kind if they are taught to be or intend to be. Like Aang, he was naive in the first season. But if you think about it, you come to realize that it was showing his way of blaming. Like when a child's parents are divored, who do they blame it on? Not the parents, but themselves. Aang blamed the state of the word on himself, not the Fire Nation. Although he does have some sort of grudge on them because it only makes sense. As you grow older, you learn to blame things on others, thus you loose sight of innocence and mercy as a young person. Because Aang can blame himself, he will not show aggression to the Fire Nation towards the end of the war, but show mercy and treat them too as if the war had affected them the same way. Without the use of blaming others for mistakes, Aang won't hold as big of a grudge.

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