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    Canada_Michael

    [281]Apr 11, 2011
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    Playfully aggressive is already changing Sam . How much playful aggression can Sam dish out before she is just seen as mean, or it's just plain naked aggression? They were unwilling to give Creddie more then one episode, a pairing which would not change the dynamic as drastically. Do you really believe they will write Seddie as a couple through season 5, when they were unwilling to give Creddie more then a episode? As a Creddie fan the best I expect is maybe on the final episode, or second to last, Creddie will happen. Never ever ever have I thought we'd get this big Creddie arc running through a entire season, it's just not that kind of show.
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    chicamusica12

    [283]Apr 11, 2011
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    Honestly, if they do go the Seddie route, Sam will eventually improve. I mean if Freddie can fall for her after all she has done, then she has a shot. Besides, iOMG showed us that when she really likes someone or is "in love" she can be really tender and sweet. I mean of course Sam will always be Sam, but maybe not so dramatic. Besides, with Dan, I don't think we should be taking Sam's beatings seriously. (Though it does rely on overkill -.-) I think Sam will mellow out a bit.

    I sort of see their relationship like Jimmy and Cindy's from Jimmy Neutron. Cindy was way more aggressive and needlessly mean, but as soon as she came to terms with her feelings, they fought less and less and were sweet...though not without arguments.

    And oh jeez Foreofnature, you kinda creeped me out there! It's not a soap opera...
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    Canada_Michael

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    Fireofnature wrote:

    Canada_Michael wrote:
    Playfully aggressive is already changing Sam . How much playful aggression can Sam dish out before she is just seen as mean, or it's just plain naked aggression? They were unwilling to give Creddie more then one episode, a pairing which would not change the dynamic as drastically. Do you really believe they will write Seddie as a couple through season 5, when they were unwilling to give Creddie more then a episode? As a Creddie fan the best I expect is maybe on the final episode, or second to last, Creddie will happen. Never ever ever have I thought we'd get this big Creddie arc running through a entire season, it's just not that kind of show.


    You are perhaps the most "hardcore" and yet the most laid back of the creddie fans that I've seen. Most reasonable too, considering the majority don't have much of a basis. As for Sam's "agressions" I'm pretty sure she's grown out and had a bit of character development, meaning she's backed down from her agressive ways. Which is good. Now I'm NOT talking seddie, creddie, whatever...I'm talking simply character wise. The fact that she changed over so quickly, so suddenly "fell in love" with Freddie is just another indicator of something I think is too serious for the show, but even children's shows can have (they've already assumed Cat from Victorious has bipolar).


    Back in October, what I accused the character Sam of having is much worse than simply bipolar...the fact that she and her mother reminded me so much of my ex and her mother, and all the emotional abuse I suffered because of those two.......yes, Seddie DIED a little in me. So much so that I not only didn't want Freddie to wind up with Carly (just because I thought it was boring when stuff like that happens on the show, the main girl and main/supporting guy is kind of overdone...like a steak too well done.) I didn't want him ending up with Sam either, even though she deserves to be happy too. I just wanted Freddie to end up with somebody other than...


    if Sam gets too agressive, and I don't think she will, if she were to get too agressive (and it's seen that she has a heart, too) then it would create a LOT of problems. She's not violent, you can tell that, so you're a bit off base there. It's not fair to down a character just for the sake that they may be a hindrance to a ship...


    And yes, I defend Sam's character because I see certain things in that character than others, so I may be a bit biased, don't know, don't really care so much. All I know is my ex was too much of an iCarly fan and used to say she was Sam and I was Freddie (though until a certain point, I thought the other way around), and if that's the case........then yeah, Canada_michael....you can expect Seddie not to last very long before Freddie has enough of the controlling, manipulative, abusive ways of Sam and her mother. That is, if they are like that, and they do act that way....He might be trapped for a little while as they start to deprive him of his masculine ego, overpower him, take control of him, destroy him, make him FEAR everything, and leave him with no way out that nobody can save him except himself and he's too "in love" to get the hell out, despite all his friends and family telling him to GET THE HELL OUT, and finally one day...one day...when her mother's in the mental ward and she gets thrown in Jail, he finally has enough and a week later, somehow, by some damn miracle, he gets away from them and has to start healing. And maybe Canada, just MAYBE, Carly might heal him...


    Yeah...right....now THAT might be what happened if Sam just gets more agressive -_-. So people....-_- you might want to stop that aspect -_-. She's definitely gotten better, NOT WORSE.



    I am much less hardcore Creddie & more hardcore anything but Seddie. Throughout most of the series Sam has treated Freddie like crap & enjoyed it, & yet somehow some people think they'd be great together. Up until iOMG there was no indication that Sam's feelings had changed, then BAM out of the blue she has to be near him & has feelings for him, that's just poor planning & storytelling. IMO it makes it look like this was done on a whim as a stunt, & not something that was planned ahead of time. Can Seddie happen sure anything can happen, do I think it will last to the end of iCarly no. Do I think they will explain the change of heart Sam had in any detail, & should that erase all the negative stuff she's done to Freddie no. Sam can definitely change and deserves happiness with someone, but I just don't see Freddie forgiving and forgetting to the point of having a relationship with her.

    I care less & less about iCarly, not because the possibility of Seddie but because of the weeks & weeks that go by between episodes.
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    RemDiamond

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    I concur with everything you've said Canada_Michael.
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    Fireofnature

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    chicamusica12 wrote:
    And oh jeez Fireofnature, you kinda creeped me out there! It's not a soap opera...
    Forgive me, I feel a need to smack you....Whoever said anything about a soap opera, these things do happen........nothing to do with soap operas.......I'm just saying, I've seenthe type of aggression he's referring to, that "pure aggression" that rage....I've lived through it with a woman who sincerely thought she was Sam -_-. Even pinpointing every similarity....accurately so......and she would say I was Freddie, her Freddie. Disgustingly so.....And so the fact that Sam's changing, growing out of that stuff is good.

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    chicamusica12

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    Fireofnature wrote:

    chicamusica12 wrote:
    And oh jeez Fireofnature, you kinda creeped me out there! It's not a soap opera...
    Forgive me, I feel a need to smack you....Whoever said anything about a soap opera, these things do happen........nothing to do with soap operas.......I'm just saying, I've seenthe type of aggression he's referring to, that "pure aggression" that rage....I've lived through it with a woman who sincerely thought she was Sam -_-. Even pinpointing every similarity....accurately so......and she would say I was Freddie, her Freddie. Disgustingly so.....And so the fact that Sam's changing, growing out of that stuff is good.



    Why the need to smack me? That's my opinion, and I feel you're going a bit far here. Domestic abuse, Freddie needing to be saved, Sam going off the deep end? It sounds to me like a soap opera or a poorly written Creddie fanfiction.

    Look I'm sorry you had to deal with a chick like that, but this is a comedy show where the writer believes that girls abusing guys like that is normal and hilarious. -.- In universe however, it's treated with nonchalance and barely stated as psychologically damaging.

    Honestly it's great Sam is becoming less violent, because Dan really needs to give up that schtick. This show is basically run on randomness, severe apathy and random violence, along with major over reaction.

    I lean towards Seddie, but if it doesn't work out, I'm not crying. Dan just needs to fix this because Sam randomly popping out with these feelings is totally implausible. I mean I have a theory, but it's a real stretch.
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    NegiSpongie

    [289]Apr 11, 2011
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    The ending kinda reminded me of the ending to iSD. Where Carly and Freddie are enjoying a romantic dance together, and Sam walks in and notices them and just leaves staring at them through the window awkwardly.
    But here the roles are reversed and Carly is staring at them with almost the same feeling as Sam did in iSD.
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    Canada_Michael

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    @ Fireofnature:


    I never said Sam hasn't grown at all but towards Freddie the changes have been minor, until iOMG where all of a sudden she has strong feelings for him. Speaking from personal experience I would never knowingly put myself in a bad relationship/situation, the keyword being knowingly. In life you get into situations by not knowing all the facts, or thinking you know a person and then discovering that you don't. Freddie has known Sam for years and has been on the receiving end of her bullying, he also knows her family life isn't great. I know it sounds cold but why would Freddie knowingly enter into a relationship with that kind of baggage from the start? I just don't think he would. It would be different if she was nice to him, then the family stuff isn't a insurmountable obstacle, but she hasn't been.

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    vanillacupcakes

    [292]Apr 11, 2011
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    Interesting that you mention your ex and her mother, FireofNature. I don't mean to bring it up again because I don't want you reliving/flashback to any traumatic experiences or anything, but the "change" Sam has had changed the most right after iSam's Mom(production code wise). Sure she has gradually changed before that, but her violence and attitude towards Freddie toned down once issues between Sam and her mother resolved and her mom tries to be somewhat sane and motherly.

    Maybe the change isn't all that significant, because Nickelodeon was able to air them in a different order. Order: iGAHR, iDo, iSPT, iGP, iSM, iPTN, iHAI, iSAFW, iOMG
    Name a time where Sam has "abused" Freddie in iPTN, iHAI, or iSAFW. Even the teasing is more friendly. I think that is a time where Sam has decided to herself that she wanted to change. Any of the moments that are meant for comedy are exaggerated. If this were real life would Sam be electrocuting Freddie in iGP? No, just like how Carly wouldn't be electrocuting Spencer's chowder. It's played for comedy. This is how Dan has played out comedy since the "All That" days. She's going to feel love as a vulnerability and her reflex is to push it away out of fear. When Freddie says that she hates him, she wants him to leave. A lot of stuff she has done to him is either for his attention or because she doesn't want to feel weakness. It doesn't mean Sam doesn't care about him. Sam made it clear all the times she has said "I hate you" she didn't mean it. The hitting, the back-and-forth is the "game" they've been playing. In the guacamole scene, Sam even says she's not playing a "game" when Freddie asks her about it. She's done playing, her emotions built up and she can't take it anymore. Maybe this episode feels a little sudden, but it's like an explosion of all her emotions inside of her. Like Jakeo said, love can be funny, her attitudes and actions shouldn't necessarily need to be explained. This is the way she acts, that's just how it is.

    Evidence for Sam having feelings have been there in the past. I don't think so many people are pulling these "Seddie moments" out of nothing(even though a lot of times it might feel that way). What would be the purpose of Sam showing up in the end of iSpeed Date at all?? They care for each other as friends. The evidence for THAT is everywhere.

    I do not want her to be a Melanie or change herself for any endgame relationship she is in. The whole purpose of iMake Sam Girlier is to not change who she is. She often feels like she is not good enough or too tomboyish, and the purpose is to find somebody who loves her for who she is. It's fine to be nicer, but her sarcastic attitude, her tomboyish personality, and love for food should still be there, which luckily in iOMG it still is. She is still herself.
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    vanillacupcakes

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    Oh, there are some more posts I missed. I should work on trying to fix that. @negi: The difference is that a laugh track played when they had Carly's reaction. Sam's reaction was supposed to be serious. Regardless of why she was sad, she definitely was sad. Carly was more shocked. If she was upset, they would get rid of the laugh track and have different facial expressions.

    @Canada: Thank you for specifying, so yes I understand what you're saying. I do think Freddie does understand her on some level though, just not the fact that she loves him. Both Carly and Freddie know her as a person and why she acts the way she does. Both have been able to handle the baggage she has had so far. They're all pretty close friends. But yes, that must have all been a shock to Freddie and if he ever reciprocated feelings, it would definitely take some time to think everything over. Regarding FireofNature's story and your comment, I agree you never know with Sam. I just don't think the show will touch on going that far with what they "don't know about Sam". @Fireofnature: I don't know your personal life, I find it quite depressing, but I feel like Freddie is one of the people strong enough to stand up to Sam. The reason I don't see her ever being with Gibby is because Gibby will never stand up to her or challenge her with anything. When she threatens to "do a double fist dance on [his] face" he doesn't back down. Freddie isn't scared of her and doesn't put up with her sh!t, which is why I do think she needs somebody like him in her life, even if he is just her friend throughout the rest of her series. Both Carly and Freddie are strong enough to say what she needs to hear, confront her about it, say "Really? Was that necessary Sam?". They haven't run away from her, Freddie will toss what Sam throws right back at her. Also like I said, it's a tv show and not real life, so everything is exaggerated. She doesn't seem to be like the ex based on your description, since Sam doesn't want to psychologically/physically hurt Freddie in hopes of damaging his integrity. The main character with "issues" on his shows are either harmless like Cat or are villainous side characters.

    Just a side comment, but I have no idea how you can still watch iCarly after that, especially if she specifically mentioned she was like Sam and you were like Freddie.

    I always thought "If people in real life did some of the sh!t people do in Dan's shows, so many people would be in jail or dead right now". Never thought that would actually be accurate.
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    Fireofnature

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    vanillacupcakes wrote:


    Just a side comment, but I have no idea how you can still watch iCarly after that, especially if she specifically mentioned she was like Sam and you were like Freddie.

    I always thought "If people in real life did some of the sh!t people do in Dan's shows, so many people would be in jail or dead right now". Never thought that would actually be accurate.


    My ex went to jail for getting into a fight with her "best friend" and came out with suspicious bruises she claimed where from him. She and her mother got into fisticuffs constantly, her mom has tried to kill her, me, brother in law, tried to get ME thrown in jail when I tried to stand up for her. When she fought back, she might slap the woman on the arm and DOWN she would fall, crying and going "oh my daughter hit me my daughter hit me." Put on quite a show, those two can...

    So to answer your question, it can be DEATHLY Accurate. Her mother once got in my face and I put my hands up, never touched her. The woman called her "friends" and they came over and attacked me...

    After all that, when I got back (Tried to leave multiple times, failed every time except the last), I couldn't watch iCarly. I STILL can't WRITE seddie. My biggest story right now is a Freddie/Melanie. Still healing. It's even harder to write any interaction between Sam and her mother.

    My "bounce back" story is what got me back to writing, and the fact remains I missed a LOT of iCarly episodes. The one that got me back? The FANWAR episode, just because it seemed interesting. Even now, though, I only watch new episodes once and don't watch reruns. Still healing just a bit there, the show doesn't remind me so much of all that anymore, but there are still moments...
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    Fireofnature

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    vanillacupcakes wrote:


    If Creddie happens, Sam needs to not be in love with Freddie anymore. Sam has been heartbroken too much in the past, to start Creddie without killing Seddie first would be too cruel. Carly would be way too unlikeable, which wouldn't happen since she's a main character.

    At some point the whole shipping thing is too far and I can see it going in a straight direction during all of season 5. I think the triangle will be done with, despite Dan's little spiel in the beginning of his funfacts. It will be one of these ships though. Setting all this up to ignore it would be pointless.


    Just want to bring this point up in this thread too, kind of want to get a little away from the embarassing moment on tv.com....

    I agree with this point, everything said here is correct, in my eyes.
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    ilivelovemusic

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    Okay so I wrote this REALLY LONG post that took me an hour to write. I couldnt post it then suddenly I copy/pasted the link to iOMG for my cousin who is btw I just found out : Creddie xD So yeah.. I lost my post and now I can't be bothered writing a really long one again. So I just wanted to say that iOMG garnered 22.9 MILLION VIEWS! OH YEAH!

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    Fireofnature

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    Awesome, and sorry about that long post. Lots of viewers, that's pretty awesome
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