I agree, I really don't want them to get together in the sequel, I would actually much rather Freddie say he needs to wait and figure out what he wants. I mean there's been friendship development sure, but not enough I think the sequel should end without a relationship and let it be an overarching theme in season 5 with the decision coming at the finale, after plenty of opportunity for their relationship to consistently develop. I do think Dan has to be careful, especially because he overdid it with the violence, (the one thing I really don't like about this show), he can't make it sudden like he did with a couple like Quinn and Logan in Zoey 101, it needs to be a multi-episode arc, starting now,

To the person who wanted to view it without downloading it: http://www.megavideo.com/?d=1POIE7K6 Credit also goes to eddaket.

Uh-oh, long post following. Look out...=/

@ilivelovemusic: Yes, the download is safe and the person who uploaded it is trustworthy. I made sure of that. Do the free download. If you wouldn't mind paying for the RapidPro, then you might as well get the iTunes version. If you just wanted to see it again, there's a low quality version on youtube(but it's flipped) if you search it. Or you can use the megavideo link I just posted if you don't mind watching megavideo for your iCarly episodes. *agrees with windwaker's entire post* Dan puts a lot of detail in all his episodes, and there is a lot that shouldn't be taken at face value, so I think the overanalyzing of Creddie/Seddie is sometimes necessary. I like your interpretation of it.

The issue is that this entire time Seddie has mostly been one sided romantic wise. Sam/Freddie do have a close friendship that developed, it's just that Freddie doesn't want to think that they do. Regarding feelings, all the development has been through Sam. Freddie's love for Carly was also one sided until iSYL. Sam is sometimes too subtle at her feelings towards Freddie and is a little too good at acting. Freddie and Carly, her two best friends, had no idea Sam would ever love Freddie. Even Spencer found it weird Sam would want to go to the movies with Freddie and Brad. So I also feel that anybody who doesn't see how Sam could possibly love Freddie has a completely valid point. The subtle hints Dan supposedly gave, seemed more like moments to please Seddie shippers. They were also balanced out with some Creddie moments. Like the "Awww, Sam, if you're in love with me just say so" line seemed like something he just put into there to make Seddie shippers(like me) squeal. Has he been keeping Seddie in mind while writing that line?

The way I have interpreted iCarly so far can be seen through completely different views. I've seen those views through Creddie shippers, and even sort of shipped Creddie temporarily. The "groundwork" I supposedly see may or may not be there. Basically I used to think that Sam would torture Freddie either hoping for him to fight back, to push him away because she's scared of her feelings towards him, or for his attention. When they fight or bet, they basically shun the world around them, and I thought she wants that. However, any time they are alone without Carly, they're pretty civil to each other, or pretty sincere. I always found that kind of interesting. In iTTK, it seemed like the kiss was what was on her mind. If she really did forget about the kiss, laughing gas would not make her randomly think about it again. If you are not saying something honest, it's usually what's on your mind, right?? Then iSpeed Date's last scene(Seddier's POV isself explanatory). She's good at hiding feelings and can tease him about relationships since she's so good at teasing people, but still has disappointed looks through his love interests(Ashley, the fangirls from iPTN). I think all this time she wanted somebody who could challenge her or stand up to her, and so far the only people who have been able to do this is Carly and Freddie.

Others could say Sam could simply torture Freddie because she likes it. That's their routine and neither would change that. The look in iSD could just be because she was disappointed she didn't get a date, and cannot even hang around her two best friends to shake it off. Her reactions to Freddie's relationship can simply be because she disapproves of the girls themselves. Like she said "Nice nauseates me. It's taken me years to get used to [Carly]." I think sockstar put up a development of Creddie on this thread a few pages back and it make sense of Freddie's build up to liking Carly.

Long story short, I admire the way Dan puts out an episode and we get opposite reactions and analyses of them. I think the "groundwork" depends on the way you've seen everything so far. I see groundwork, I think the episode makes sense, I loved this episode, and I feel it could go in the Seddie direction. Then others think vice versa and that Seddie will not last long and there will be a twist resulting in Creddie. Nothing is going to change that. All in all it depends what the heck has been going through Dan's head. Gosh, I love this show.

Oh, didn't see frontman's post there. I agree with everything(I've been doing that a lot lately, haven't I?)

First I want to talk about the actual episode.

I really like it overall. ^^ Gibby wasnt as annoying as he's been in past episodes. And Spencer in that box was VERY amusing. lol. Also, I LOVED the main cast's acting in this. It was really good. Especially Miranda and Jennette. Just, really really good. Can't express it as anything else. Also, if Sam doesn't want Brad, can I have him? Please?

Okay now for the ending kiss part ^^. I don't think it looked fake for starters. Like other people said, it was a stage kiss. And the other two kisses from both sides had more build-up. This was just Sam plunging into it. So freddie looked shocked. Of course that was going to be the only emotion from him.

As for iReact. Even though I'm a Seddie shipper I can't see them getting together next episode. Though what I CAN see is Freddie being like "Give me time to think about this" and then have him chose between Sam and Carly in the series finale. That would give him time to develop feeling for whoever. (Really, I don't care which side wins in the end I just wana enjoy the show, though I'd prefer seddie) It would also give Sam a chance to be nice. Also, see my little mini rant on OOC in the Seddie thread if you want because I don't feel like re-typing it.

Apologies for the double post...again. Geez, every time I post something, I find a new one and want to respond to this. I love this thread. *presses imaginary "like" button onSaylavee's post*

@chica: Ah, yes! Thank you for mentioning Sam being tsundere. I see I'm not the only who has thought of this. She needs to find the optimal distance between them, like somebody else said similar to porcupines. They want to be close enough to keep warm, but far enough to not hurt each other. [/bizarre rant]. I think as addressed, Sam has been very, very scared to address her feelings, mostly because she feels weak. In iOwe You, she didn't want Freddie to see her cry. Right when he showed up, she screamed at him like a maniac. That's how she has been for such a long time. Now that this has officially been addressed in an episode, I think that will change. It already seemed like she was tired of hiding in all her emotions and building them up inside of her like that. I think this is the very beginning of her development, regarding her fear of being too vulnerable. Carly and Freddie are doing a really good job of making her dere side become more apparent. I think eventually it will be addressed why she changed her behavior, but everybody's response sounds legit enough to sound believable even if they don't confront it. Yes, he has to be careful. I don't want TOO much drama. As I said a lot of times before, it all depends on the epic season 5 episode that will come.

ahaha...the creddie fans have been silenced!! no offense.

but yeah, that kiss was a little random. i totally knew it was going to happen though. and carly's probably gonna get pissed off and confront them..

AND THE SEDDIE RELATIONSHIP BEGINS!!!

@ KatiePhil I totally agree the whole iSAFW stuff was BS. The comedy stuff is getting pushed to the sidelines as the cast gets older. In my opinion what was funny when they were younger isn't as funny when they're older, so now relationships make sense. The problem I see is because the show is a "kids" show they can't really focus too heavily on dating & couple issues. So what ends up happening is moments used for shock value, which are then all but forgotten.

The whole Creddie/Seddie thing is Dan yanking everyone's chain for ratings, & in the end nothing major will come out of it. Doing so is fine but coming out with a episode that tells people it's not about relationships, & then a few episodes later it is is just plain dumb.