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    zukofangirl2006

    [121]Jun 20, 2008
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I take it you think Naruto is better simply because it has violence for the sake of violence? As forZuko being the most developed, he really isn't, he just went through the most changes. He was intended to be the character to go through the most changes from the start. As for the other characters, they've changed quite a bit as well. Aang is no longer the happy go lucky kid we saw come out of the iceberg. Little innocent Katara has now made a death threat and meant it. Sokka is still a wise guy but he's gone from believing he's useless to knowing he's a valuable asset to the gang. Toph used to be an abrasive girl who seemed to not care too much about anything, and now she admits that she does love her parents (as well as Sokka). Ty Lee, Mai, and them are side characters so they don't really count, except for the bit of background information we have about them. So yes, Avatar is a pretty good show that's intelligently written and isn't all about over-the-top violence as much as it's about the characters themselves. Naruto has nice action, but is it even as meticulous as the motion-captured martial arts action in Avatar? Didn't think so. They mostly leap impossible distances at each other and punch each other in the face. I do like Naruto, but Avatar is a more planned and better written show that was meant to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
    Naruto has motion caption for casual walking the animation is as smooth as any Disney movie.

    That's a good one.

    Plotwise, Avatar has a much, much tighter storyline that has been clearly thought out from the beginning. Naruto (and Bleach, and most animes) have much looser, and dare I say, more rambling narrative. And while you can get a lot more episodes out of such a narrative, it simply isn't as well plotted or paced.

    And with that, I hereby flame:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unEHgZrHBgQ

    If they hade a more complex and good story the show wouldnt only last for 3 seasons.

    Unlike you, we get a peice of story with every (sometimes every other) episode, instead of every ten episodes.

    Quality>Quantity, and complex=/=good.

    Naruto has better quality than Avatar because it has far more drama. Avatar is weak as there's no character death. Sheesh, talk about squeamish writers.
    List of characters that have died: Yue Zhao Jet Combustion Man Not to mention a ton of implied deaths.
    Thats it theres a ton of main charcters that od died in Naruto.
    When a character dies in Naruto it is much more tragic because they have been in the story longer. In Avatar they come and die too fast you don't feel anything.

    Yes, you do, because there's so much more in an episode of Avatar. If you think you have to have known something for ages to feel for it's death, you must really hate movies.

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    Spacerac

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Too mature for you?
    With an audience of mostly 13 year old boys and fangirls while Avatar has an audience outside it's intended demo including adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s right?
    No you got that backwards.
    That'd make you delusional.
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    MaddoKos

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I take it you think Naruto is better simply because it has violence for the sake of violence? As forZuko being the most developed, he really isn't, he just went through the most changes. He was intended to be the character to go through the most changes from the start. As for the other characters, they've changed quite a bit as well. Aang is no longer the happy go lucky kid we saw come out of the iceberg. Little innocent Katara has now made a death threat and meant it. Sokka is still a wise guy but he's gone from believing he's useless to knowing he's a valuable asset to the gang. Toph used to be an abrasive girl who seemed to not care too much about anything, and now she admits that she does love her parents (as well as Sokka). Ty Lee, Mai, and them are side characters so they don't really count, except for the bit of background information we have about them. So yes, Avatar is a pretty good show that's intelligently written and isn't all about over-the-top violence as much as it's about the characters themselves. Naruto has nice action, but is it even as meticulous as the motion-captured martial arts action in Avatar? Didn't think so. They mostly leap impossible distances at each other and punch each other in the face. I do like Naruto, but Avatar is a more planned and better written show that was meant to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
    Naruto has motion caption for casual walking the animation is as smooth as any Disney movie.

    That's a good one.

    Plotwise, Avatar has a much, much tighter storyline that has been clearly thought out from the beginning. Naruto (and Bleach, and most animes) have much looser, and dare I say, more rambling narrative. And while you can get a lot more episodes out of such a narrative, it simply isn't as well plotted or paced.

    And with that, I hereby flame:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unEHgZrHBgQ

    If they hade a more complex and good story the show wouldnt only last for 3 seasons.

    Unlike you, we get a peice of story with every (sometimes every other) episode, instead of every ten episodes.

    Quality>Quantity, and complex=/=good.


    Naruto has better quality than Avatar because it has far more drama. Avatar is weak as there's no character death. Sheesh, talk about squeamish writers.


    List of characters that have died:

    Yue
    Zhao
    Jet
    Combustion Man

    Not to mention a ton of implied deaths.
    ZOMG FOUR charcters....wow...just...wow.

    MaddoKos wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I take it you think Naruto is better simply because it has violence for the sake of violence? As forZuko being the most developed, he really isn't, he just went through the most changes. He was intended to be the character to go through the most changes from the start. As for the other characters, they've changed quite a bit as well. Aang is no longer the happy go lucky kid we saw come out of the iceberg. Little innocent Katara has now made a death threat and meant it. Sokka is still a wise guy but he's gone from believing he's useless to knowing he's a valuable asset to the gang. Toph used to be an abrasive girl who seemed to not care too much about anything, and now she admits that she does love her parents (as well as Sokka). Ty Lee, Mai, and them are side characters so they don't really count, except for the bit of background information we have about them. So yes, Avatar is a pretty good show that's intelligently written and isn't all about over-the-top violence as much as it's about the characters themselves. Naruto has nice action, but is it even as meticulous as the motion-captured martial arts action in Avatar? Didn't think so. They mostly leap impossible distances at each other and punch each other in the face. I do like Naruto, but Avatar is a more planned and better written show that was meant to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
    Naruto has motion caption for casual walking the animation is as smooth as any Disney movie.

    That's a good one.

    Plotwise, Avatar has a much, much tighter storyline that has been clearly thought out from the beginning. Naruto (and Bleach, and most animes) have much looser, and dare I say, more rambling narrative. And while you can get a lot more episodes out of such a narrative, it simply isn't as well plotted or paced.

    And with that, I hereby flame:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unEHgZrHBgQ

    If they hade a more complex and good story the show wouldnt only last for 3 seasons.

    Unlike you, we get a peice of story with every (sometimes every other) episode, instead of every ten episodes.

    Quality>Quantity, and complex=/=good.

    You must not watch Naruto because every Naruto chapter has a chunk of its original story.


    Hard to tell between all the goofing around and boring infodump the characters spout.
    And Aang doesn't goof around and act like an idiot


    Yes, but minimal by comparison.
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    Ravel93

    [124]Jun 20, 2008
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Ravel93 wrote:
    Well I've got a question for you. Why is Naruto so great? There are TONS of better anime out there. (Death Note, Bleach, YuYu Hakusho, King of Bandit Jing, the list goes on and on). And besides, you shouldn't compare Avatar and Naruto, considering that Avatar isn't an anime. You should be comparing Avatar with stuff like Ben 10 and Teen Titans. If you compare it with stuff like that, that's where you see the appeal.
    You do not compare avatar to Ben10 and Teen Titans. That's downright Insulting. That's like comparing a walnut to a diamond.

    If you aren't even going to try and be flexible, why bother coming here? Your mentality isn't going to change if you act like that.

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    uchia2000

    [125]Jun 20, 2008
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    1 episode = 20 minutes. 20 x 3= 60.
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    edmasterchaos

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I take it you think Naruto is better simply because it has violence for the sake of violence? As forZuko being the most developed, he really isn't, he just went through the most changes. He was intended to be the character to go through the most changes from the start. As for the other characters, they've changed quite a bit as well. Aang is no longer the happy go lucky kid we saw come out of the iceberg. Little innocent Katara has now made a death threat and meant it. Sokka is still a wise guy but he's gone from believing he's useless to knowing he's a valuable asset to the gang. Toph used to be an abrasive girl who seemed to not care too much about anything, and now she admits that she does love her parents (as well as Sokka). Ty Lee, Mai, and them are side characters so they don't really count, except for the bit of background information we have about them. So yes, Avatar is a pretty good show that's intelligently written and isn't all about over-the-top violence as much as it's about the characters themselves. Naruto has nice action, but is it even as meticulous as the motion-captured martial arts action in Avatar? Didn't think so. They mostly leap impossible distances at each other and punch each other in the face. I do like Naruto, but Avatar is a more planned and better written show that was meant to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
    Naruto has motion caption for casual walking the animation is as smooth as any Disney movie.

    That's a good one.

    Plotwise, Avatar has a much, much tighter storyline that has been clearly thought out from the beginning. Naruto (and Bleach, and most animes) have much looser, and dare I say, more rambling narrative. And while you can get a lot more episodes out of such a narrative, it simply isn't as well plotted or paced.

    And with that, I hereby flame:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unEHgZrHBgQ

    If they hade a more complex and good story the show wouldnt only last for 3 seasons.
    Well, first of all, they don't need more than 3 seasons to tell the story. There aren't endless, useless filler episodes. Secondly: Nick's to blame for the relatively short run.
    Um...no Avatar has a weak run because the writers can't find a tv show to rip off that won't be noticable to the average watcher. They've ran out of ideas to steal.
    Please tell me how Avatar is a rip off from any show.
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    zukofangirl2006

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    The 3rd Hokage was trying to pull Orochimarus soul out while Orochimaru was trying to keep his soul in. Both were exhausted and the 3rd Hokage was fatally wounded and trying to cling on to life long enough.

    Thanks, makes sense now

    But I wonder... why drag that out? Eh?

    And Aang goofs off, yup, but it's for minutes at a time, rather than a season's worth of episodes stuffed full of it.

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    Eddy654

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    MaddoKos wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I take it you think Naruto is better simply because it has violence for the sake of violence? As forZuko being the most developed, he really isn't, he just went through the most changes. He was intended to be the character to go through the most changes from the start. As for the other characters, they've changed quite a bit as well. Aang is no longer the happy go lucky kid we saw come out of the iceberg. Little innocent Katara has now made a death threat and meant it. Sokka is still a wise guy but he's gone from believing he's useless to knowing he's a valuable asset to the gang. Toph used to be an abrasive girl who seemed to not care too much about anything, and now she admits that she does love her parents (as well as Sokka). Ty Lee, Mai, and them are side characters so they don't really count, except for the bit of background information we have about them. So yes, Avatar is a pretty good show that's intelligently written and isn't all about over-the-top violence as much as it's about the characters themselves. Naruto has nice action, but is it even as meticulous as the motion-captured martial arts action in Avatar? Didn't think so. They mostly leap impossible distances at each other and punch each other in the face. I do like Naruto, but Avatar is a more planned and better written show that was meant to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
    Naruto has motion caption for casual walking the animation is as smooth as any Disney movie.

    That's a good one.

    Plotwise, Avatar has a much, much tighter storyline that has been clearly thought out from the beginning. Naruto (and Bleach, and most animes) have much looser, and dare I say, more rambling narrative. And while you can get a lot more episodes out of such a narrative, it simply isn't as well plotted or paced.

    And with that, I hereby flame:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unEHgZrHBgQ

    If they hade a more complex and good story the show wouldnt only last for 3 seasons.

    Unlike you, we get a peice of story with every (sometimes every other) episode, instead of every ten episodes.

    Quality>Quantity, and complex=/=good.


    Naruto has better quality than Avatar because it has far more drama. Avatar is weak as there's no character death. Sheesh, talk about squeamish writers.


    List of characters that have died:

    Yue
    Zhao
    Jet
    Combustion Man

    Not to mention a ton of implied deaths.
    ZOMG FOUR charcters....wow...just...wow.

    MaddoKos wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    I take it you think Naruto is better simply because it has violence for the sake of violence? As forZuko being the most developed, he really isn't, he just went through the most changes. He was intended to be the character to go through the most changes from the start. As for the other characters, they've changed quite a bit as well. Aang is no longer the happy go lucky kid we saw come out of the iceberg. Little innocent Katara has now made a death threat and meant it. Sokka is still a wise guy but he's gone from believing he's useless to knowing he's a valuable asset to the gang. Toph used to be an abrasive girl who seemed to not care too much about anything, and now she admits that she does love her parents (as well as Sokka). Ty Lee, Mai, and them are side characters so they don't really count, except for the bit of background information we have about them. So yes, Avatar is a pretty good show that's intelligently written and isn't all about over-the-top violence as much as it's about the characters themselves. Naruto has nice action, but is it even as meticulous as the motion-captured martial arts action in Avatar? Didn't think so. They mostly leap impossible distances at each other and punch each other in the face. I do like Naruto, but Avatar is a more planned and better written show that was meant to have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
    Naruto has motion caption for casual walking the animation is as smooth as any Disney movie.

    That's a good one.

    Plotwise, Avatar has a much, much tighter storyline that has been clearly thought out from the beginning. Naruto (and Bleach, and most animes) have much looser, and dare I say, more rambling narrative. And while you can get a lot more episodes out of such a narrative, it simply isn't as well plotted or paced.

    And with that, I hereby flame:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unEHgZrHBgQ

    If they hade a more complex and good story the show wouldnt only last for 3 seasons.

    Unlike you, we get a peice of story with every (sometimes every other) episode, instead of every ten episodes.

    Quality>Quantity, and complex=/=good.

    You must not watch Naruto because every Naruto chapter has a chunk of its original story.


    Hard to tell between all the goofing around and boring infodump the characters spout.
    And Aang doesn't goof around and act like an idiot


    Yes, but minimal by comparison.
    Not when he gets 15 years old he doesnt he matured and so should aang.
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    avalame122

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    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Too mature for you?
    With an audience of mostly 13 year old boys and fangirls while Avatar has an audience outside it's intended demo including adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s right?
    No you got that backwards.
    That'd make you delusional.

    No. Naruto is popular in multiple countries from children to adults. It's far more well known than Avatar, which is just an anime wannabe.
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    uchia2000

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    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Too mature for you?
    With an audience of mostly 13 year old boys and fangirls while Avatar has an audience outside it's intended demo including adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s right?
    No you got that backwards.
    That'd make you delusional.
    Naruto is aimed at a much larger audience. Its blood, drama, and overall popularity is what attracts people outside the intended age.
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    PerfectAgent96

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Adding to your statement Spacerac: And the villians don't stand by while the main hero powers up. Watch CoD, That Azula scene is probably 1 of the most realistic villian scences ever.
    CoD?
    Oh shoot * facepalm * Almost forgot, you don't watch Avatar that much. The Season 2 Finale: The Crossroads of Destiny. Aang's powering up for the Avatar State when all of a sudden Azula zapps him, therefore destroying the state and "killing" him. Has any villain actually hit Naruto while he was doing a jutsu or powering up to do the kyuubi?
    Well Aang was just floating in space a free target. In Naruto the powerups happen pretty quickly. Anyway hand signs are a small price to pay. In Naruto characters can use a much wider array of moves.
    Well when naruto was transforming to Kyyubi, Dediara could've made some clay and hid it somewhere near Naruto and it would've blown him to smitherreens.
    Its Deidara actually. Anyway he was out of clay unless im mistaken. And he wasn't trying to kill Naruto they need him alive.
    I see, waging war then, let's go. B.O.T.: Draggin it out, let's take the 3rd Hokage and Orochimaru's stab for instance. (Now who in the WORLD can stay in that same position for 3 episodes straight!?, now my little brother's a Narutard to the death but even he thought it was kinda weird that they could do that.)
    Yeah that is wierd but you know what both of them were eagerly trying to kill each other.
    Ya it was more about a battle of willpower than anything.

    Could you please explain why they were having a battle of willpower? And not a battle?

    Also, how do you fit 3 episodes into one hour of narutime? That would be slowing the battle down....

    They had other stuff to focus on. By your logic Show time should be the same as Real time.
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    Eddy654

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    uchia2000 wrote:
    The 3rd Hokage was trying to pull Orochimarus soul out while Orochimaru was trying to keep his soul in. Both were exhausted and the 3rd Hokage was fatally wounded and trying to cling on to life long enough.

    Thanks, makes sense now

    But I wonder... why drag that out? Eh?

    And Aang goofs off, yup, but it's for minutes at a time, rather than a season's worth of episodes stuffed full of it.

    Uhh he still acts like that even in the third season. Naruto knows when not goof offonly if nessicary.
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    Everyone does know that chi and chakra are essentially the same thing...just spelled differently right?. >_>
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    zukofangirl2006

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    1 episode = 20 minutes. 20 x 3= 60.

    And it couldn't have been accomplished by them staring down for a few seconds, a short timeskip, them looking more strained, repeat until something happens? Lazy writing to make the show seem longer unless I'm missing something.

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    SilverFlames

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    NAruto ain't even real ninjas.

    When I was a child I thought Ninjas were silent people that achieved their mission for good or bad.

    Not dudes in jumpsuits and spandex and massive fangirls.
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    uchia2000

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    uchia2000 wrote:
    The 3rd Hokage was trying to pull Orochimarus soul out while Orochimaru was trying to keep his soul in. Both were exhausted and the 3rd Hokage was fatally wounded and trying to cling on to life long enough.

    Thanks, makes sense now

    But I wonder... why drag that out? Eh?

    And Aang goofs off, yup, but it's for minutes at a time, rather than a season's worth of episodes stuffed full of it.

    To show their struggle? It wasn't dragged out that bad.
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    MaddoKos

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    uchia2000 wrote:
    The 3rd Hokage was trying to pull Orochimarus soul out while Orochimaru was trying to keep his soul in. Both were exhausted and the 3rd Hokage was fatally wounded and trying to cling on to life long enough.

    Thanks, makes sense now

    But I wonder... why drag that out? Eh?

    And Aang goofs off, yup, but it's for minutes at a time, rather than a season's worth of episodes stuffed full of it.



    Aye.
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    MarryLarry

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    avalame122 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Too mature for you?
    With an audience of mostly 13 year old boys and fangirls while Avatar has an audience outside it's intended demo including adults in their 20s, 30s, and 40s right?
    No you got that backwards.
    That'd make you delusional.
    No. Naruto is popular in multiple countries from children to adults. It's far more well known than Avatar, which is just an anime wannabe.

    Can you give us any statistics or facts to back this claim up?

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    Eddy654

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    uchia2000 wrote:
    1 episode = 20 minutes. 20 x 3= 60.

    And it couldn't have been accomplished by them staring down for a few seconds, a short timeskip, them looking more strained, repeat until something happens? Lazy writing to make the show seem longer unless I'm missing something.

    They had more to focus on then part one. The main villains werent even dead yet.
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