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    andreitayehp

    [81]Feb 1, 2007
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    Watershade wrote:
    WARNING! HUGE POST AHEAD! IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOUR BRAINCELLS, SKIP TO THE END, AND YOU'LL SEE THE SHORT ANSWER.
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    ??Now:

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    Why do you guys think that Katara and Zuko will fall in love? Who said that they will?

    ??...you just answered your question. NO one. Most of us like the pairing for different reasons; my reason is that I think their personalities match.
    Don't yell at me, Kataang fans, I respect your opinion and even find your pairing cute most of the times. But I don't watch Avatar for CUTENESS. I watch it for that *serious* aspect.
    ??
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    Zuko hates Aang and wants to rid of him, what makes you think Katara will fall for him? Just because Aang had to give up Katara to go into the Avatar state doesn't mean that he has to stop loving her.

    ??To tell the truth, I don't think Aang will stop loving her. It's now official that he *didn't* give up Katara, because Azula interrupted his Avatar-state. What many of you Kataang fans seem to miss, is the fact that Katara is an understanding, emotional girl. In one way or another, she will eventually have to understand the position Zuko was in.
    ??Why do I think that? Observe.

    Zuko... betrayed her trust. Easy as it gets. She trusted him for like 5 minutes, but she did, and she cried in front of him.
    ??Zuko did what is probably a *Zuko* parallel to Katara crying; he actually mentioned his mother,ad showed his emotions (this time, feeling hurt at her comment). He doesn't *do* that often, you know. To me it seemed that he, too, trusted Katara (even for a small bit), at least enough to understand her feelings, and show that he *did* care what she thought of him ("My face. I see.")
    But Katara has a family, and a dead mother, and she just HAS to see how torn up Zuko was. No matter how close Iroh's been to him, all Zuko was dreaming of for years was to finally be accepted by his father. He was brought up to hate the Avatar, he was ordered to capture him - like many of us pointed out before, one does NOT forget his family nor their teachings so easily.
    I mean, imagine this. Between your archenemy and a girl you just *really* met a few hours ago, and your family, which one would you choose? No, be honest. I'm sure that a sensible character such as Katara will at least think that over.


    And the final point? "I thought you've CHANGED!" "I HAVE changed!"
    Why, I'm asking you, why does Zuko feel the need to explain himself, or defend, or what not, even with this one sentence, to a girl he presumably holds a worthless waterbender? One answer; his view on Katara, herself, had changed.
    ??Take this with a grain of salt. These are just my personal opinions, and frankly, you don't have to like them - hell, even I don't feel too confident with them! Still, my love for Zutara stays strong. Not because I hate Aang, and not because I think he let go of Katara, but because of the strange - but somehow perfect - match Zuko and Katara could make.
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    If you skipped through my post (I would of made it shorter, but hell, this is turning into a shipper war anyway), here's my answer:
    ZUTARA 3/4, Kataang 1/4. They each have their qualities, I just happen to like Zutara better.


    God, you made me cry! jk

    But I think just as you, but my english sucks! XP

    and in youtube a guy that (acording to him) works in Avatar said that they'll fall in love, but they won't be able to be together because they are supposed to be enemies... I'd love that, but I don't believe that it was true.

    Off topic: do you know why if I changed my avatar, for one I made by my self, and in my profile I can see it, in the posts I still see June's one?
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    vampking06

    [82]Feb 2, 2007
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    im more of a zutara fan to tell yall the truth. first of all, women tend to be with older, more mature guys than younger, childlike guys. i mean look around your school. how many 14/16 (when hes 16)??year old couples do you see? too much to count. how many 12/14 (when the guys 12) couples do you see? ive never seen one, but im sure theres at least a couple out there, but not as much as the other. also, look at the maturity level between the two. even from the opening credits, you see aang acting, well like a 12 year old and real immature and it occurs thruout the series. zuko just seems mature (a little hot headed and confused, but mature nonetheless) just look at it in the real world and can you see something like kataang you would be like WTF??? also, love is a two way street. aang may love katara in a bf/gf kinda way, but in every episode i see, katara sees him (and will allways see him) as something like a kid brother and will love him in a plutonic way. and as someone said earlier, zutara will be a better storyline. think about it they would be 2 lovers who happen to be enemies who love to hate, and hate to love and will never be able to love because of the war and who knows, maybe itll end the war. plus girls tend to fall for the bad boy.??i just cant see the avatar(the savior of all human kind and most powerful being on earth) being able to love, and hell, the guru said he wouldnt be able to in order to controll the avatar state, (an important and crucial part to the avatars existence) unless he let the one he loves (and who keeps him connected to the mortal world) go. the avatar was not meant to love. he/she was sent to keep the world in balance and love can easily knock even the strongest person off balance (and i know you dont need a star wars ref., but just look at how anakin got strayed from the path, he fell in love).

    if you have a short attention span heres the short version:

    kataang: aang young and immature. avatar prevents him from loving anyone. kataras feelings unknown.

    zutara: interesting storyline. age difference good.not immature.

    all in all, zutara seems more logical in a realworld sorta standpoint

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    zukofangirl2006

    [83]Feb 2, 2007
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    Serious??discussions are good and all, but I say BRING ON THE WARS!!
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    electricblue18

    [84]Feb 2, 2007
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    So it's war, eh?

    ZUTARA! ZUTARA! ZUTARA!
    ZUTARA! ZUTARA! ZUTARA!
    ZUTARA FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    fatsomama

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Serious??discussions are good and all, but I say BRING ON THE WARS!!


    STRONG words from a Kataang! Let battle be joined!!! *battlecry*
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    fatsomama

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    vampking06 wrote:

    im more of a zutara fan to tell yall the truth. first of all, women tend to be with older, more mature guys than younger, childlike guys. i mean look around your school. how many 14/16 (when hes 16)??year old couples do you see? too much to count. how many 12/14 (when the guys 12) couples do you see? ive never seen one, but im sure theres at least a couple out there, but not as much as the other. also, look at the maturity level between the two. even from the opening credits, you see aang acting, well like a 12 year old and real immature and it occurs thruout the series. zuko just seems mature (a little hot headed and confused, but mature nonetheless) just look at it in the real world and can you see something like kataang you would be like WTF??? also, love is a two way street. aang may love katara in a bf/gf kinda way, but in every episode i see, katara sees him (and will allways see him) as something like a kid brother and will love him in a plutonic way. and as someone said earlier, zutara will be a better storyline. think about it they would be 2 lovers who happen to be enemies who love to hate, and hate to love and will never be able to love because of the war and who knows, maybe itll end the war. plus girls tend to fall for the bad boy.??i just cant see the avatar(the savior of all human kind and most powerful being on earth) being able to love, and hell, the guru said he wouldnt be able to in order to controll the avatar state, (an important and crucial part to the avatars existence) unless he let the one he loves (and who keeps him connected to the mortal world) go. the avatar was not meant to love. he/she was sent to keep the world in balance and love can easily knock even the strongest person off balance (and i know you dont need a star wars ref., but just look at how anakin got strayed from the path, he fell in love).

    if you have a short attention span heres the short version:

    kataang: aang young and immature. avatar prevents him from loving anyone. kataras feelings unknown.

    zutara: interesting storyline. age difference good.not immature.

    all in all, zutara seems more logical in a realworld sorta standpoint



    It's like romeo and juliet...
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    Avaang18

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    vampking06 wrote:

    im more of a zutara fan to tell yall the truth. first of all, women tend to be with older, more mature guys than younger, childlike guys. i mean look around your school. how many 14/16 (when hes 16)??year old couples do you see? too much to count. how many 12/14 (when the guys 12) couples do you see? ive never seen one, but im sure theres at least a couple out there, but not as much as the other. also, look at the maturity level between the two. even from the opening credits, you see aang acting, well like a 12 year old and real immature and it occurs thruout the series. zuko just seems mature (a little hot headed and confused, but mature nonetheless) just look at it in the real world and can you see something like kataang you would be like WTF??? also, love is a two way street. aang may love katara in a bf/gf kinda way, but in every episode i see, katara sees him (and will allways see him) as something like a kid brother and will love him in a plutonic way. and as someone said earlier, zutara will be a better storyline. think about it they would be 2 lovers who happen to be enemies who love to hate, and hate to love and will never be able to love because of the war and who knows, maybe itll end the war. plus girls tend to fall for the bad boy.??i just cant see the avatar(the savior of all human kind and most powerful being on earth) being able to love, and hell, the guru said he wouldnt be able to in order to controll the avatar state, (an important and crucial part to the avatars existence) unless he let the one he loves (and who keeps him connected to the mortal world) go. the avatar was not meant to love. he/she was sent to keep the world in balance and love can easily knock even the strongest person off balance (and i know you dont need a star wars ref., but just look at how anakin got strayed from the path, he fell in love).

    if you have a short attention span heres the short version:

    kataang: aang young and immature. avatar prevents him from loving anyone. kataras feelings unknown.

    zutara: interesting storyline. age difference good.not immature.

    all in all, zutara seems more logical in a realworld sorta standpoint

    being the Avatar does not make Aang unable to be loved or to be loved, no one ever said that. Also Aang has mature a lot since??the first season. U can even make the argument(and win it) that he's far maturer than Zuko. Being a whiny angsty teenager does not make u mature i might add(yeah i'm talkin' bout Zuko).

    Also how in the heck do u know that Zutara would make a interesting storyline, when we haven't seen a hint of it? For all we know, it could be as boring as watching paint dry. Also like i said before, Zuko's no more maturer than Aang.

    and it funny u should say that Zutara would be more "logical in a real world standpoint". I got a question, How many of you Zuko fangirls, would actually go with a boy with a huge hideous scar on his face,and with a personality of that of a tree stump? Anyone? That's what i thought.

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    fatsomama

    [88]Feb 2, 2007
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    Avaang18 wrote:
    vampking06 wrote:

    im more of a zutara fan to tell yall the truth. first of all, women tend to be with older, more mature guys than younger, childlike guys. i mean look around your school. how many 14/16 (when hes 16)??year old couples do you see? too much to count. how many 12/14 (when the guys 12) couples do you see? ive never seen one, but im sure theres at least a couple out there, but not as much as the other. also, look at the maturity level between the two. even from the opening credits, you see aang acting, well like a 12 year old and real immature and it occurs thruout the series. zuko just seems mature (a little hot headed and confused, but mature nonetheless) just look at it in the real world and can you see something like kataang you would be like WTF??? also, love is a two way street. aang may love katara in a bf/gf kinda way, but in every episode i see, katara sees him (and will allways see him) as something like a kid brother and will love him in a plutonic way. and as someone said earlier, zutara will be a better storyline. think about it they would be 2 lovers who happen to be enemies who love to hate, and hate to love and will never be able to love because of the war and who knows, maybe itll end the war. plus girls tend to fall for the bad boy.??i just cant see the avatar(the savior of all human kind and most powerful being on earth) being able to love, and hell, the guru said he wouldnt be able to in order to controll the avatar state, (an important and crucial part to the avatars existence) unless he let the one he loves (and who keeps him connected to the mortal world) go. the avatar was not meant to love. he/she was sent to keep the world in balance and love can easily knock even the strongest person off balance (and i know you dont need a star wars ref., but just look at how anakin got strayed from the path, he fell in love).

    if you have a short attention span heres the short version:

    kataang: aang young and immature. avatar prevents him from loving anyone. kataras feelings unknown.

    zutara: interesting storyline. age difference good.not immature.

    all in all, zutara seems more logical in a realworld sorta standpoint

    being the Avatar does not make Aang unable to be loved or to be loved, no one ever said that. Also Aang has mature a lot since??the first season. U can even make the argument(and win it) that he's far maturer than Zuko. Being a whiny angsty teenager does not make u mature i might add(yeah i'm talkin' bout Zuko).

    Also how in the heck do u know that Zutara would make a interesting storyline, when we haven't seen a hint of it? For all we know, it could be as boring as watching paint dry. Also like i said before, Zuko's no more maturer than Aang.

    and it funny u should say that Zutara would be more "logical in a real world standpoint". I got a question, How many of you Zuko fangirls, would actually go with a boy with a huge hideous scar on his face,and with a personality of that of a tree stump? Anyone? That's what i thought.



    Hehehe...trying to understand women and who they chase after is a dangerous and neverending road my friend. Best to just accept and not attempt to understand.

    Also, there have been hints of Zutara. The trailer for the season 2 finale on NICK even emphasized katara and zuko having an unexpected moment. The look katara gave zuko leaving the cave. And the fact that Zuko is not inherently evil. Remember, plots aren't about what a character is actually feeling or seeing or doing, it's about how we perceive it. We know Zuko isn't bad because the creators have shown us this, therefore, he is not a villain. Therefore, we sympathize with him and wish for him to be happy...alah, Zutara.
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    argos_87

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    andreitayehp wrote:

    Oh! and I almost forgot!!!!

    Since when in Avatar the most obvious stufff happen? Since... NEVER!

    Yeah! Kataang is more like... but this show always surprises us, so I'm not going to lost my hope in Zutara, until Katara say I love Aang, or Jet, or other person (btw Zuko IS a very powerfull bender)

    You see, I never understood this attitude. You say nothing in Avatar is obvious? Well, I'm going to claim the exact opposite: everything is abundantly obvious. Seriously, just because some shippers confuse their personal wishes with the canon storyline doesn't make the series unpredictable, it just proves how misguided the fandom is. If you try to think about it objectively and only take the evidence and hints directly given to you by the show, you'll see that Avatar isn't all that unpredictable at all.

    Everything, every point they writers try to get across, is abundantly foreshadowed, illustrated and directly refered to throughout the series. Whenever they try to tell you something, they do it unambiguously. And this is especially true when it comes to romance, since nothing that has happened on the field of romance has surprised me so far.

    Just try to think of one romantic moment that hasn't been obvious. The fully canon romances so far have been Yue/Sokka, Suki/Sokka and Zuko/Jin, and all of them were direct and clear, nothing weird or unpredictable about them. The same counts with the OTP of the show, which is obviously Katara/Aang. This ship has been obvious since day one, which makes it likely to happen. They've been building on that relationship for two seasons now, after the season finale it's even become an integral part of the main storyline, and I see no reason why they would just flip it around in season three to pair up Zuko and Katara, two people who obviously don't want/like each other and who've barely spend ten minutes of screentime together throughout the entire series so far. They're not going to do it because it's unexpected or unpredictable, because they just don't write their story that way. If Zuko is going to have a romantic relationship at all (something I sincerely doubt), it will probably be with Mai, because unlike Katara, Mai has actually shown signs of affection for Zuko.
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    fatsomama

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    argos_87 wrote:
    andreitayehp wrote:

    Oh! and I almost forgot!!!!

    Since when in Avatar the most obvious stufff happen? Since... NEVER!

    Yeah! Kataang is more like... but this show always surprises us, so I'm not going to lost my hope in Zutara, until Katara say I love Aang, or Jet, or other person (btw Zuko IS a very powerfull bender)

    You see, I never understood this attitude. You say nothing in Avatar is obvious? Well, I'm going to claim the exact opposite: everything is abundantly obvious. Seriously, just because some shippers confuse their personal wishes with the canon storyline doesn't make the series unpredictable, it just proves how misguided the fandom is. If you try to think about it objectively and only take the evidence and hints directly given to you by the show, you'll see that Avatar isn't all that unpredictable at all.

    Everything, every point they writers try to get across, is abundantly foreshadowed, illustrated and directly refered to throughout the series. Whenever they try to tell you something, they do it unambiguously. And this is especially true when it comes to romance, since nothing that has happened on the field of romance has surprised me so far.

    Just try to think of one romantic moment that hasn't been obvious. The fully canon romances so far have been Yue/Sokka, Suki/Sokka and Zuko/Jin, and all of them were direct and clear, nothing weird or unpredictable about them. The same counts with the OTP of the show, which is obviously Katara/Aang. This ship has been obvious since day one, which makes it likely to happen. They've been building on that relationship for two seasons now, after the season finale it's even become an integral part of the main storyline, and I see no reason why they would just flip it around in season three to pair up Zuko and Katara, two people who obviously don't want/like each other and who've barely spend ten minutes of screentime together throughout the entire series so far. They're not going to do it because it's unexpected or unpredictable, because they just don't write their story that way. If Zuko is going to have a romantic relationship at all (something I sincerely doubt), it will probably be with Mai, because unlike Katara, Mai has actually shown signs of affection for Zuko.


    *shakes head* It's not about evidence! And yes, this show has many surprises. Yue dying. Iroh getting hit with lightning. Jet dying. Aang being asked to give up katara. Zuko apparently betraying Iroh. I could keep going but these popped into my head in the 20 seconds it took to type them.

    TV shows survive by being unpredictable. Shock value. That's what entertainment is about. What keeps you watching if you know what's going to happen?

    And zutara has evidence too, objectively speaking. But like i said, not about evidence. It's like reading romeo and juliet and saying "That's totally not logical. Why would someoen fall in love with a person from a family who had killed some of their own family members?" Logic and evidence do not equal movie plots.
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    argos_87

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    fatsomama wrote:
    *shakes head* It's not about evidence! And yes, this show has many surprises. Yue dying. Iroh getting hit with lightning. Jet dying. Aang being asked to give up katara. Zuko apparently betraying Iroh. I could keep going but these popped into my head in the 20 seconds it took to type them.

    TV shows survive by being unpredictable. Shock value. That's what entertainment is about. What keeps you watching if you know what's going to happen?

    And zutara has evidence too, objectively speaking. But like i said, not about evidence. It's like reading romeo and juliet and saying "That's totally not logical. Why would someoen fall in love with a person from a family who had killed some of their own family members?" Logic and evidence do not equal movie plots.

    Dude, this is ALL about evidence. This a kids' show, a show with a formula, what you see is what you get. They don't lead a show into one direction just to go into another at another point, they just don't. "Shock value" is not something done by good writers, it's done by bad writers who lack the creativity to form a good and coherent storyline. One of the many reasons why I absolutely loathe soap-operas.

    Sure, there are going to be plottwists, events you didn't see coming, but NONE of these interfere with the story being told, nor do they contradict the evidence provided by the show. Iroh getting shot was unpredictable, but did it have any effect on the story? Aang being asked to let go of Katara was provided to bring the emotional conflict in the season finale, and it did, but it's not going to magically turn everything around. The only thing that it might have resulted in is the death of the Avatar State, something that has already been foreshadowed in episode 201. And Zuko betraying his uncle? Well, that was completely logical if you carefully analyze his character, instead of horribly misinterpreting his actions and thoughts, something many Zutarians tend to do. Jet dying? Well, so what? Does it somehow contradict the evidence provided by the show?

    Defying expectations is the result of poor ratings, due to poor writing, but nothing on the show so far has been unpredictable when it comes to the main story being told. There have been no major twists, completely contradicting the evidence given by the show so far, and there aren't going to be any. This isn't Romeo & Juliet, it's an honest kids' show. When they clearly hint at something, it's because that's where the show is going. And it hasn't been going into a Zutara direction, simply because the writers don't want to see Zutara canon. That's why there have been NO canon romantic moments between Zuko and Katara, not to magically throw things around in season three and go "Psych! You've been Punk'd!!!", but simply because it just doesn't exist. And I'm glad for it. Too many shows have already screwed themselves up by trading the integrity of the show for shocking moments, I'm glad this isn't the direction Avatar has been taking.
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    fatsomama

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    We are going to have to agree to disagree. You are tring to infer that if Zutara happens it would be similar to a soap opera style "shock" and would indicate the writers are "bad." That is completely your opinion, and even if you were one of the writers of Avatar I would say it was a wrong one.

    NO show that has ever been successful has been completely predictable, perhaps shock value was the wrong word. And YES THERE WAS A "CANON" MOMENT BETWEEN ZUKO AND KATARA! Zutarians did not make up the look katara gave zuko in the cave. Zutarians did not make up Katara's complete 180 in that 10 minutes they were alone, offering to remove his scar.
    Zutarians did not make up the fact that zuko is good on the inside.
    Zutarians didn't create the episode "Zuko Alone" in which we saw him as a real person and not a villain and began to sympathize with him.
    And NO ONE knows if Zuko is playing Azula or not, thus our hopes that he is are completely immune to all the "evidence" that keeps getting thrown at us, whether or not he truly did (as I know there will be myriad of posts about "haha, told you zutarians" if zuko really did betray Iroh).

    These things were provided to us by the creators, not our imaginations. If YOU cannot be objective and see that point of view, then you are only limiting yourself. Again, I have nothing against Kataang, nor do most zutarians. It's perfectly plausible. In MY opinion it would be flat and stale for Kataang to happen, at least at this point.
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    argos_87

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    fatsomama wrote:
    We are going to have to agree to disagree. You are tring to infer that if Zutara happens it would be similar to a soap opera style "shock" and would indicate the writers are "bad." That is completely your opinion, and even if you were one of the writers of Avatar I would say it was a wrong one.

    I don't even see it as a matter of opinion. Mike and Bryan making a complete 180, completely disregarding two seasons of relationship-building between Aang and Katara and completely disregarding the fact that neither Zuko nor Katara has shown any interest in each other besides the morbid curiosity caused by the "OMG, maybe he's not completely evil after all..." moment would be completely in line with what a soap-opera looks like. If they would now all of a sudden make Zutara happen, out of the blue, then I would be appaled and turn away from everything having to do with Avatar. Not because I don't ship Zutara, but because it would destroy the integrity and credibility of the show.
    :
    And YES THERE WAS A "CANON" MOMENT BETWEEN ZUKO AND KATARA! Zutarians
    did not make up the look katara gave zuko in the cave. Zutarians did
    not make up Katara's complete 180 in that 10 minutes they were alone,
    offering to remove his scar.

    Yes, there was sympathy and mutual understanding, I never denied that. But there was absolutely nothing that implied a romantic attraction on either side, so this does not qualify as a Zutara moment (I take it you mean "canon" as in "implying romance"). There was a sympathetic moment, giving Zuko the oppertunity to directly tell us the dilemma he was going through and foreshadowing the choice he was going to make. If you saw something romantic going on between them, then that's just because you wanted to see it. That's called fanon, not canon.
    :
    Zutarians did not make up the fact that zuko is good on the inside.

    A fact long known to us all, but I fail to see what this has to do with Zutara.
    :
    And NO ONE knows if Zuko is playing Azula or not, thus our hopes that
    he is are completely immune to all the "evidence" that keeps getting
    thrown at us, whether or not he truly did (as I know there will be
    myriad of posts about "haha, told you zutarians" if zuko really did
    betray Iroh).

    The assumption that Zuko is playing Azula is rather laughable if you ask me. There are plenty of reasons to believe that this is not so:
    1) To play Azula, he needs to outwit her. And that is just impossible, as Zuko is not nearly as intelligent as Azula.
    2) The finale was called "Crossroads of Destiny". The choice he made was a choice defining his destiny, a choice between right and wrong, good and evil. You can't just walk away from such choices once you've made them.
    3) Both the confirmation that Zuko and Mai are going to interact, plus of course the fact that Mai's role in season 3 is going to increase significantly, all indicate that Zuko will be sticking around for a while. My guess is that he'll stay with Azula for at least half of season three, but that's just a personal guess.

    I could think up a few more, but I think you understand what I'm getting at.
    :
    These things were provided to us by the creators, not our imaginations. If YOU
    cannot be objective and see that point of view, then you are only
    limiting yourself. Again, I have nothing against Kataang, nor do most
    zutarians. It's perfectly plausible. In MY opinion it would be flat and stale for Kataang to happen, at least at this point.

    I'm being perfectly objective, which leads me to the conclusion that the likelihood of Kataang ending up canon is very big, whilst the possibility of anything romantic between Zuko and Katara is just...not there. Regardless of what my shipping preferences are, I have always seen Kataang as the most important relationship of the show, the main OTP,
    and I have seen nothing implying Zutara. Simple as that.
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    vampking06

    [94]Feb 2, 2007
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    Avaang18 wrote:

    being the Avatar does not make Aang unable to be loved or to be loved, no one ever said that.

    i know, its speculation and how i interpreted it. plus refer to what aunt wu said. she saw NO love in aangs future

    ??

    Avaang18 wrote:

    Also Aang has mature a lot since??the first season. U can even make the argument(and win it) that he's far maturer than Zuko. Being a whiny angsty teenager does not make u mature i might add(yeah i'm talkin' bout Zuko).

    ok, so he matured psychologically and emotionally. but not pysically. hes still just barely entering puberty while zuko has hit it a long time ago. plus aangs done his share of whining in the desert right up untill lake laogai. 6 episodes where he was in a pissy mood. all you kataangs complain about evidence so here it is: just take any 12 year old and any 16 year old and you could tell riht off the bat the maturity level

    Avaang18 wrote:

    Also how in the heck do u know that Zutara would make a interesting storyline, when we haven't seen a hint of it? For all we know, it could be as boring as watching paint dry. Also like i said before, Zuko's no more maturer than Aang.

    well seing how the Illiad and Romeo anf Julliet are some of the greatest literary works around, yet they focus on tragic love stories is byond me.

    Avaang18 wrote:

    and it funny u should say that Zutara would be more "logical in a real world standpoint". I got a question, How many of you Zuko fangirls, would actually go with a boy with a huge hideous scar on his face,and with a personality of that of a tree stump? Anyone? That's what i thought.

    well katara did offer to heal it for him. and if you look back at his flashback episodes before he got the scar he seemed much happier and had more of a personality. if she took away the scar it might put him in a brighter mood. thus making him more enjoyable and not hideously disfigured

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    fatsomama

    [95]Feb 2, 2007
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    argos_87...you are spewing conjecture and opinions like they are fact. This argument is over. You think zutara is a bad plot twist and unbelievable. I disagree. I understand your position, and I respect it, but I disagree with it. I now also understand arguing with you is pointless because I have shown you "evidence" of zutara and you ignore it because you don't like it, not because it's "unbelievable".

    You say things like 'that is impossible' and 'it could never happen.' This is your shortcoming my friend, for the creators can do whatever the hell they want to with this show, like it or not. And no, you are not being objective lol. Objective reasoning implies you can see things from all points of view. You have one point of view and see the others as "impossible." If I was to teach a class on subjective opinions, your responses would be a perfect example of such.

    Again...Agree to disagree...this is my last response to you, i'm sorry. We are beating our heads against a wall here.
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    PhoenixAngel37

    [96]Feb 2, 2007
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    electricblue18 wrote:
    So it's war, eh?

    ZUTARA! ZUTARA! ZUTARA!
    ZUTARA! ZUTARA! ZUTARA!
    ZUTARA FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!


    YAY!!
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    Avaang18

    [97]Feb 2, 2007
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    vampking06 wrote:

    Avaang18 wrote:

    being the Avatar does not make Aang unable to be loved or to be loved, no one ever said that.

    i know, its speculation and how i interpreted it. plus refer to what aunt wu said. she saw NO love in aangs future

    *sigh* do people purposely forget that Aunt Wu also said that Aang could reshape his own destiny? and even the creators said that the whole purpose of that episode was to show that any could reshape their destiny.

    So to keep using what Aunt Wu said as proof that Kataang won't happen is pointless

    ??

    Avaang18 wrote:

    Also Aang has mature a lot since??the first season. U can even make the argument(and win it) that he's far maturer than Zuko. Being a whiny angsty teenager does not make u mature i might add(yeah i'm talkin' bout Zuko).

    :
    ok, so he matured psychologically and emotionally. but not pysically. hes still just barely entering puberty while zuko has hit it a long time ago. plus aangs done his share of whining in the desert right up untill lake laogai. 6 episodes where he was in a pissy mood. all you kataangs complain about evidence so here it is: just take any 12 year old and any 16 year old and you could tell riht off the bat the maturity level

    .....I don't get what you're saying. Please give me evidence that Zuko's maturer than Aang. Please don't use the age factor.

    Avaang18 wrote:

    :
    Also how in the heck do u know that Zutara would make a interesting storyline, when we haven't seen a hint of it? For all we know, it could be as boring as watching paint dry. Also like i said before, Zuko's no more maturer than Aang.

    well seing how the Illiad and Romeo anf Julliet are some of the greatest literary works around, yet they focus on tragic love stories is byond me.

    but the show is not called "Zuko and Katara" and it's nothing like Romeo and Juliet.??The difference between Zuko and Katara/Romeo and Juliet is that Romeo and Juliet actually loved each other and had more than 5 minutes of screen time together

    Also Kataang could turn out to be a tragic love story. Them loving each other but can't be together because of Aang's duties.

    Avaang18 wrote:

    and it funny u should say that Zutara would be more "logical in a real world standpoint". I got a question, How many of you Zuko fangirls, would actually go with a boy with a huge hideous scar on his face,and with a personality of that of a tree stump? Anyone? That's what i thought.

    :
    well katara did offer to heal it for him. and if you look back at his flashback episodes before he got the scar he seemed much happier and had more of a personality. if she took away the scar it might put him in a brighter mood. thus making him more enjoyable and not hideously disfigured

    .....okay u got me.

    But still u didn't answer my question, in real life would u go with a boy with a huge scar on their face and??a bad personality?

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    fatsomama

    [98]Feb 2, 2007
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    I don't think he was trying to say that zutara is already completely present and is exactly like romeo and juliet. I think he was addressing the fact that it's possible because of stories like romeo and juliet.

    You're right about kataang maybe being a tragic love story, I could see that.

    i also see zuko as more mature, and yes, it's because of the age. Evidence? how many women date guys younger than them? How many women WON'T date a guy younger than them based purely off of age and nothing else? How many women WON'T date a guy shorter than them based purely off of height?

    Again though, trying to catagorize or understand female attraction will only lead you to madness (in my humble opinion ladies). Best accept it for what it is.
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    argos_87

    [99]Feb 2, 2007
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    fatsomama wrote:
    i also see zuko as more mature, and yes, it's because of the age. Evidence? how many women date guys younger than them? How many women WON'T date a guy younger than them based purely off of age and nothing else? How many women WON'T date a guy shorter than them based purely off of height?

    Again though, trying to catagorize or understand female attraction will only lead you to madness (in my humble opinion ladies). Best accept it for what it is.

    So let me get this straight, you're basing maturity on numerals? And on what women generally feel attracted to? I doubt that will give you an accurate portrayal of someone's maturity. I know plenty of 40-year olds who still behave like little brats.

    My opinion on the maturity thing: both still have signs of immaturity. But it is undeniable that Zuko's maturity level is far below par. His obsessiveness, narrowmindedness and his general uncoordinated and impulsive way of thinking and acting does make him the least mature main character of the show. Aang still acts like a little brat now and again, he gets pissed, can be rather naive, but he's also helpfull, altruistic, self-sacrificing and thoughtful. All signs of mental maturity. So I guess that does put Aang a level higher than Zuko.

    Not that it matters to me. They're all still kids, so of course they're going to be immature. Let them be, everyone should have the right to be immature at some point in their lives.
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    PhoenixAngel37

    [100]Feb 2, 2007
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    *walks in innocently*
    *whistles*

    *runs away to Japan*
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