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What happened to Zuko's mom ..??

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    Eyes_Only61646

    [61]Nov 10, 2006
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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    PrimoNation wrote:

    NoNameLetdown wrote:
    Like others have said, I think the most likely thing that happened to her was that the mom sacrificed herself to that Zuko wouldnt die "Everything Ive done up to now is for you" (or something similar). Also that the first born was to die. It seems motherly that she would sacrifice herself and its a better story writing if she did.

    Same episode - mother TurtleDuck ATTACKS when her young is put in danger...

    Same episode - mother Ursa says "Everything I've done up to now is for you"...???? coincidence same episode?

    Same episode - mother Ursa slinks off into the night covering her head... now does that look like somebody going off to the sacrifice or somebody with a mission?!?

    Same episode - we NEVER hear Firelord Azulon state that the first born was to die... he simply says, "you should feel the same pain that Iroh now feels"?? and me personally thinks that Azulon knew that Ozai could care less for Zuko so I doubt that would have been the fitting punishment.?? Why??? Did you not see the face Ozai made when Zuko said he had been practicing his firebending as well, I believe that was a smirk??? Correct me if



    It wasn't a smirk, it was embarassment of his son.

    It seems obvious that Ozai killed Azulon to get the throne, doesn't it? I mean Azulon is going to gove it to Iroh, no doubt, and then after he's dead the people say his final wish was that Ozai get it instead? I mean C'mon! And the fact that Ozai wanted it so badly makes it all add up. Then Ursa dissapears with a "everything I do, I do for you" statement and is gone. Then Azula says that nobody knows where she is. So somehow running away helped or maybe saved Zuko.

    But how does running away help anybody? I assume it's because she is taking Zuko's punishment for him. Running away makes me think it was banishment.
    What if she killed Azulon FOR Ozai?? Like he told her what he was planning and she did it as a result or he said it was "the only way" or something...
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    adidaZuko

    [62]Nov 11, 2006
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    I'm certain that Ursa killed Azulon to protect Zuko, because:

    Ursa said before with the turtle duck thing: "That's how mothers are, if you mess with their babies...their gonna bite you back." That couldn't have been a coincidence if for no other reason, the writers wouldn't have even bothered to use that line if it didn't have meaning, they'd probably take that whole pond memory out of the story too if it wasn't for that line and the turtle ducks.

    Someone killed Azulon, he didn't just die, so it was either Ursa or Azula. I don't think it was Ozai because even he doesn't seem sick enough to kill his own father. Okay, he did burn Zuko's face, but maybe losing both his father and his wife pushed him over the edge and made him completely cold where there was little warmth to begin with.??That dude who did the service for??Azulon said it??was his dying wish that Ozai became Fire??Lord, but since there was no fire lord there to say otherwise, Ozai??could have just as easily lied. They'd listen??to him, he was prince of the Fire Nation.??Azula's a basket case who thought that Azulon would be replaced anyway, and the fact that she was carrying around Zuko's knife is a little morbid. Most likely it was Ursa who was suspiciously in a hurry to leave that night she said good bye to Zuko. Plus, maybe she put a little too much faith in her husband, thinking that Zuko would be safer if he was ruling and she was the one who said that Ozai should be firelord.

    Ursa told Zuko: "Everything I've done, I've done to protect you." To me it's like she's saying, not for him to think ill of her because of the horrible thing she has done.

    The creators said that Zuko would be looking for her. I hope we found out more about what happened soon.

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    dumbTVnut

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    adidaZuko wrote:

    I'm certain that Ursa killed Azulon to protect Zuko, because:

    Ursa said before with the turtle duck thing: "That's how mothers are, if you mess with their babies...their gonna bite you back." That couldn't have been a coincidence if for no other reason, the writers wouldn't have even bothered to use that line if it didn't have meaning, they'd probably take that whole pond memory out of the story too if it wasn't for that line and the turtle ducks.

    Someone killed Azulon, he didn't just die, so it was either Ursa or Azula. I don't think it was Ozai because even he doesn't seem sick enough to kill his own father. Okay, he did burn Zuko's face, but maybe losing both his father and his wife pushed him over the edge and made him completely cold where there was little warmth to begin with. That dude who did the service for Azulon said it was his dying wish that Ozai became Fire Lord, but since there was no fire lord there to say otherwise, Ozai could have just as easily lied. They'd listen to him, he was prince of the Fire Nation. Azula's a basket case who thought that Azulon would be replaced anyway, and the fact that she was carrying around Zuko's knife is a little morbid. Most likely it was Ursa who was suspiciously in a hurry to leave that night she said good bye to Zuko. Plus, maybe she put a little too much faith in her husband, thinking that Zuko would be safer if he was ruling and she was the one who said that Ozai should be firelord.

    Ursa told Zuko: "Everything I've done, I've done to protect you." To me it's like she's saying, not for him to think ill of her because of the horrible thing she has done.

    The creators said that Zuko would be looking for her. I hope we found out more about what happened soon.



    Again it just to convenient for Ozai to not have been involve in the regicide. He had to be involved in a big way or else it would be just to weird that a prince that was bidding for the throne got it by pure accident with no intentional intervention on his part.
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    adidaZuko wrote:

    I'm certain that Ursa killed Azulon to protect Zuko, because:

    Ursa said before with the turtle duck thing: "That's how mothers are, if you mess with their babies...their gonna bite you back." That couldn't have been a coincidence if for no other reason, the writers wouldn't have even bothered to use that line if it didn't have meaning, they'd probably take that whole pond memory out of the story too if it wasn't for that line and the turtle ducks.

    Someone killed Azulon, he didn't just die, so it was either Ursa or Azula. I don't think it was Ozai because even he doesn't seem sick enough to kill his own father. Okay, he did burn Zuko's face, but maybe losing both his father and his wife pushed him over the edge and made him completely cold where there was little warmth to begin with. That dude who did the service for Azulon said it was his dying wish that Ozai became Fire Lord, but since there was no fire lord there to say otherwise, Ozai could have just as easily lied. They'd listen to him, he was prince of the Fire Nation. Azula's a basket case who thought that Azulon would be replaced anyway, and the fact that she was carrying around Zuko's knife is a little morbid. Most likely it was Ursa who was suspiciously in a hurry to leave that night she said good bye to Zuko. Plus, maybe she put a little too much faith in her husband, thinking that Zuko would be safer if he was ruling and she was the one who said that Ozai should be firelord.

    Ursa told Zuko: "Everything I've done, I've done to protect you." To me it's like she's saying, not for him to think ill of her because of the horrible thing she has done.

    The creators said that Zuko would be looking for her. I hope we found out more about what happened soon.



    Again it just to convenient for Ozai to not have been involve in the regicide. He had to be involved in a big way or else it would be just to weird that a prince that was bidding for the throne got it by pure accident with no intentional intervention on his part.
    Wouldn't it be Patricide, since he was killing his father?? I stick with my idea: Ozai convinced Ursa to kill him or something like that.
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    [65]Jan 15, 2007
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    This is what I beleive that Ursa is still alive

    1. That she killed Azulon because when Azula told her what he said to Ozia she got mad so that night she went in his room, and some how she killed him. Then with out thinking she desited that she should leave worried that some how they might find out she did it. But before she left she had to say good bye to Zuko, just she had to make it quck before someone saw Azulon's dead body, and her leaving they might make a conection that she did it. She said to Zuko: Everything I've done, I've done to protect you. Remember this Zuko. No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are. She said that so he will not think different about her if he found out she killed Azulon. Ursa was waring a something that has a hood on it so people will not know it was her, so can exscape with ou anyone seeing her. That is something I will wair if I was trying to run away.

    2. When Zuko was sick on the epi "The Earth King" he saw his mother and she said Zuko help me. That could mean that she is alive because why would the creaters make that scene if she was not even alive. There has to be some conection to that, and to his mom's dissaperence.

    I just hope they put her in book 3 and for her to tell everyone were she was at. Maybe she will meet up with Aang and the gang but they will not know how she is. Then they will come up aganst Zuko, and she will show up, and say something like Zuko please don't fight the Avatar, and it will be this big touching reunion for Zuko and his mom even maybe for Azula also. If not that then I just hope Zuko tries to go and find her sometime in book 3. I just can't wait to find out.

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    Make me a cookie zombie!!?? Also, how do you become a member of MCO?

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    clearwater04

    [67]Jan 16, 2007
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    i htink that zuko's father killed her.?? Remember He said when he ran into katara that his mother was killed by the firenation too.?? It also seems like zuko's very easily manipulated
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    [68]Jan 17, 2007
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    adidaZuko wrote:

    I'm certain that Ursa killed Azulon to protect Zuko, because:

    Ursa said before with the turtle duck thing: "That's how mothers are, if you mess with their babies...their gonna bite you back." That couldn't have been a coincidence if for no other reason, the writers wouldn't have even bothered to use that line if it didn't have meaning, they'd probably take that whole pond memory out of the story too if it wasn't for that line and the turtle ducks.

    Someone killed Azulon, he didn't just die, so it was either Ursa or Azula. I don't think it was Ozai because even he doesn't seem sick enough to kill his own father. Okay, he did burn Zuko's face, but maybe losing both his father and his wife pushed him over the edge and made him completely cold where there was little warmth to begin with. That dude who did the service for Azulon said it was his dying wish that Ozai became Fire Lord, but since there was no fire lord there to say otherwise, Ozai could have just as easily lied. They'd listen to him, he was prince of the Fire Nation. Azula's a basket case who thought that Azulon would be replaced anyway, and the fact that she was carrying around Zuko's knife is a little morbid. Most likely it was Ursa who was suspiciously in a hurry to leave that night she said good bye to Zuko. Plus, maybe she put a little too much faith in her husband, thinking that Zuko would be safer if he was ruling and she was the one who said that Ozai should be firelord.

    Ursa told Zuko: "Everything I've done, I've done to protect you." To me it's like she's saying, not for him to think ill of her because of the horrible thing she has done.

    The creators said that Zuko would be looking for her. I hope we found out more about what happened soon.


    ohh well put
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    [69]Feb 13, 2007
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    This was restarted on January so I don't feel so weird about writing. Now, I have a question? Why do you folks think it's so unconceivable that Ursa sacrificed herself to protect Zuko? She was clearly shown as a kind woman who loved her family, especially her son. Ozai is and arrogant and evil man. He cares only for power. He had no problem hurting his son.

    This is a kids show. Perhaps Ursa tried to fight to protect her son. But killing Azulon, hardly. She seemed to have solemn respect for him. I can easily see Ozai killing her and Azulon. Azulon, because he didn't want to give Ozai the throne. Ursa, because she witnessed the death, while she was planning to do something to ensure her son's safety. There is no hints to Ursa being some powerful bender, or even a strong fighter. It shows her merely as a well bred lady of noble blood, who cares for her family and nation. So she would be enthused if Iroh was beating the most powerful earth kingdom.

    This show seems to drop hints here and there, and there were no hints to state otherwise.

    It's true that the writer's researched this show, but the theory that Ozai manipulated her into to killing Azulon or something, when she seems to value family, seems unbelievable.

    I'm sorry if this sounds rude or whatever, but seriously.
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    fieryknight43 wrote:
    This was restarted on January so I don't feel so weird about writing. Now, I have a question? Why do you folks think it's so unconceivable that Ursa sacrificed herself to protect Zuko? She was clearly shown as a kind woman who loved her family, especially her son. Ozai is and arrogant and evil man. He cares only for power. He had no problem hurting his son. This is a kids show. Perhaps Ursa tried to fight to protect her son. But killing Azulon, hardly. She seemed to have solemn respect for him. I can easily see Ozai killing her and Azulon. Azulon, because he didn't want to give Ozai the throne. Ursa, because she witnessed the death, while she was planning to do something to ensure her son's safety. There is no hints to Ursa being some powerful bender, or even a strong fighter. It shows her merely as a well bred lady of noble blood, who cares for her family and nation. So she would be enthused if Iroh was beating the most powerful earth kingdom. This show seems to drop hints here and there, and there were no hints to state otherwise. It's true that the writer's researched this show, but the theory that Ozai manipulated her into to killing Azulon or something, when she seems to value family, seems unbelievable. I'm sorry if this sounds rude or whatever, but seriously.

    well wait, where did you get the idea that ursa had a solemn respect for azulon? i mean, everyone had to act respectful, since he's the firelord, but where does it say that she held him in extra-high regard?

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    It doesn't, but it doesn't say she didn't hold him in high regard either. I mean she didn't seem to like the idea of Ozai becoming firelord in place of Iroh. And neither did Azulon.

    Also, I may be remembering things wrong, but didn't Azula bash her grandfather's age and?? choice of firelord???

    Ursa was aghast when Azula did, and defended the fire lord or Iroh or whatever. That made me think ( whether I'm right or not) that she held his decision's and title as fire lord in far more regard then Azula or even Ozai.
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    well, whether ursa had high repsect for azulon or not, we know one thing is for sure. ursa is not dead. zuko, in the third season, has to go looking for her. somehow. may i remind you all that in the flash back episode or someting it zoomed out on her, wearing a hood saying "zuko, help me!" and she was also holding something, a basket?...i think. i think she was forced to leave or something. but she isnt dead, they wouldnt have make a huge deal out of her just to tell us that shes dead, but im usre azula would be happy if she was, or not care.
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    goddess19 wrote:

    This is what I beleive that Ursa is still alive

    1. That she killed Azulon because when Azula told her what he said to Ozia she got mad so that night she went in his room, and some how she killed him. Then with out thinking she desited that she should leave worried that some how they might find out she did it. But before she left she had to say good bye to Zuko, just she had to make it quck before someone saw Azulon's dead body, and her leaving they might make a conection that she did it. She said to Zuko: Everything I've done, I've done to protect you. Remember this Zuko. No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are. She said that so he will not think different about her if he found out she killed Azulon. Ursa was waring a something that has a hood on it so people will not know it was her, so can exscape with ou anyone seeing her. That is something I will wair if I was trying to run away.

    2. When Zuko was sick on the epi "The Earth King" he saw his mother and she said Zuko help me. That could mean that she is alive because why would the creaters make that scene if she was not even alive. There has to be some conection to that, and to his mom's dissaperence.

    I just hope they put her in book 3 and for her to tell everyone were she was at. Maybe she will meet up with Aang and the gang but they will not know how she is. Then they will come up aganst Zuko, and she will show up, and say something like Zuko please don't fight the Avatar, and it will be this big touching reunion for Zuko and his mom even maybe for Azula also. If not that then I just hope Zuko tries to go and find her sometime in book 3. I just can't wait to find out.

    i like you're theory on how she'll pop-up in season 3. I thought of this too, here's my scenerio. the Gaan are spying on Zuko, who knowswhere his mom is at this point. Zuko knocks on her door Zuko: mom? Ursa: Zuko? Sokka: *from hiding place* there's zuko. whose that lady? should we protect her? wait! she's hugging him!!! WHY IS SHE HUGGING HIM?!?!??!?!??!? : ?? you fill in the blanks for the rest.
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    Amorix2233

    [74]Feb 21, 2007
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    haha i like your 'sokka freaking out' idea. but atleast people are starting to get the point that shes not dead. and im very sorry for sounding increadibly dumb right now but....how again do we know that azulon is dead? was that the whole point of the whole 'fire nation in white clothes' thingy? omg i feel so dumb asking that
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    Amorix2233

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    ohh dang. thats the absolute best theory ive heard so far. im sticking with that one. yep yep yep.
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    Amorix2233 wrote:
    ohh dang. thats the absolute best theory ive heard so far. im sticking with that one. yep yep yep.
    which one? (oh ya, I read somewhere that white in some aisan cultures in for mourning, not black. that's what's up w/ that.)
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    Blind_Bandit_98

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    Someone killed Azulon because he doesn't just die the same Ursa was supposed to die. Azula could have done it because she was always talking about he was going to die soon and that Ozai would make a better firelord. Even at the funeral Azula didn't even care that her grandfather died.

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    Blind_Bandit_98 wrote:

    Someone killed Azulon because he doesn't just die the same Ursa was supposed to die. Azula could have done it because she was always talking about he was going to die soon and that Ozai would make a better firelord. Even at the funeral Azula didn't even care that her grandfather died.

    As evil & demented as she is, Azula was 8/9 at the time. I don't think she killed her grandfather.
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    dumb_person1

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    I don't think that neither.
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    LiveInThaskyE

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    i seriously??doubt a??8/9 year old could kill a 50 year old??all powerful Firelord with some SERIOUS help. Maybe Azula and Ozai did it together......idk if Azula wuz that crazy so young tho......??
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