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Just to clear up the Zuko thing : It isstated in DoBS by Zuko himself that he gets the scar at the age of 13, then in it is stated by Zuko himself (again) that he had been looking for the Avatar for 3 years"Zuko: (dejectedly) Three years ago today I was banished". (The Avatar State)
| WiseLad wrote: |
| how much is "old enough to rule?" even if we go with 16(coming of age)as time he was allowed to rule 16 plus 23 is 39, do you think Azulon was 39 when he died? specially when Iroh looked already more than 30 when he was doing siege of Ba Sing Se? you trying to draw straws to explain gaps in order to show they not doing mistakes and BTW, someone mentioned Koh statement of someone tried to kill me 800 or 900 years ago as proof that kuruk was alive 800 years ago first, by fact that koh said 800 or 900 years ago indicates he is not sure how long ago, second, as shown in avatar escape: Kuruk, Kuruk has not found Koh, thus it might be that 800 to 900 years ago another avatar is one who tried killing Koh, and that the avatar of 800 or 900 yrs ago was the mustached guy that tried to kill Koh(Koh had this face when he made that statement) |
Aang asked why the avatar tried to kill him. Koh said it was because he stole the face of someone he loved. The fits the discription of Kuruk and his wife.
Both timeline gaps are plotholes, plain and simple. All the theories trying to explain them are just baseless speculation trying to cover up the fact that the writers goofed.
Roku couldn't have been 58 when he died.
We know that after Sozin and Roku's birthday, the Roku had to start mastering the elements. We know from Monk Gyatso in "The Storm" that normally that Avatar is announced when he/she turned 16(unless that's just an Air Nomad Avatar thing, which isn't likely). Sozin himself said it was 12 years before Roku came back as a fully realized Avatar. So assuming Roku was 16 when he left that makes him 28.
After that point is an unknown gap. All we know is that after Roku hears and rebukes Sozin talking about expanding the Fire Nation, Roku said it was "many years" before they encounted each other again, and had that fight. Roku died 25 years after that point at the volcano. Let's call the unknown gap of time as X. For Roku to be 58 when he died 28?+X+25=58, basic algebra to isolate the X on one side and you get X=5. Are you telling me that not only did Roku say five years was "many years", but in that short amount of time Sozin went from middle aged to liver spotted? C'mon na...
| MarryLarry wrote: | ||
Aang asked why the avatar tried to kill him. Koh said it was because he stole the face of someone he loved. The fits the discription of Kuruk and his wife. Both timeline gaps are plotholes, plain and simple. All the theories trying to explain them are just baseless speculation trying to cover up the fact that the writers goofed. |
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Perhaps Avatars live longer??? Unless they die of poisoning or by sword. And in Zuko alone, he was 15 or 16 |
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16 plus 23 is 39, do you think Azulon was 39 when he died? specially when Iroh looked already more than 30 when he was doing siege of Ba Sing Se? you trying to draw straws to explain gaps in order to show they not doing mistakes and BTW, someone mentioned Koh statement of someone tried to kill me 800 or 900 years ago as proof that kuruk was alive 800 years ago |
In the Lost Scrolls: Fire it says "Fire Nation Leaders -The tryannical Fire lord is the ultimate ruler of the Fire Nation. He is the most powerful Firebender, and his will must be obeyed."
I doubt Azulon could have become the most powerful Firebender when he was 16. During that time while he was training he couldn't have ruled.
Also, in the Lost Scrolls: Fire it says that thousands of years ago the council of Fire Sages led the Fire Nation. Eventually the Great Sage took over the Fire Nation. Maybe the sages took care of the throne until Azulon went through intense training to become the most powerful firebender.
Okay, ASSUMING Zuko was 10 (this is the age ive seen displayed msot often for young Zuko in ZUk Alone, and Azula nine) when Ozai took charge, and its stated Azulon ruled for 23 years. Zuko is roughly 17 now, so Aang was frozen for 100 years, meaning Azulon took power rougly 30 years before beginning of show (or 70 yrs After Froz Aang; AFA ). This would suggest that SOzin lived for another 70 years after the comet (which came same year Aang froze)- this makes little sense to me because he already looked very old at end of FL&Av. Now SOzin looked like he was in his sixties or seventies when comet came (weird considering Bumi is 112 and looks actually Younger than Sozin did) so i HIGHLY doubt he'd have Azulon then- so that means Azulon would have been older than 70 when he died.
Its all very mucked up I've always thought Azulon was an adult by time Sozin took charge- meaing he would be old (40s-50s) when he had Ozai. Ozai looks like a man (after seeing DOBS where he looked older than in Awakening- diff artists) in fourties, and Iroh a man in sixties.
SO if Wiselad is correct that Sozin was 58 (very weird because for a powerful bender he looks fairly old, and especially so for ROku- an avatar- meaning he had huge gray streaks at age 33!) when Roku died, and 70 when War began, he would have died at age 140. If we assume Sozin had Azulon at age 50, then he would be 90 yo by time he died. Iroh being in his sixties (who had a soon who looked like he was 30 when he died) means Azulon had Iroh at roughly age 30 and Ozai at age 50.
| Sektos wrote: |
| Okay, ASSUMING Zuko was 10 (this is the age ive seen displayed msot often for young Zuko in ZUk Alone, and Azula nine) when Ozai took charge, and its stated Azulon ruled for 23 years. Zuko is roughly 17 now, so Aang was frozen for 100 years, meaning Azulon took power rougly 30 years before beginning of show (or 70 yrs After Froz Aang; AFA SO if Wiselad is correct that Sozin was 58 (very weird because for a powerful bender he looks fairly old, and especially so for ROku- an avatar) when Roku died, and 70 when War began, he would have died at age 140. If we assume Sozin had Azulon at age 50, then he would be 90 yo by time he died. Iroh being in his sixties (who had a soon who looked like he was 30 when he died) means Azulon had Iroh at roughly age 30 and Ozai at age 50. |
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Wait, really? I havent seen ep in a while, but i thought (when i watch Escape) that Koh took his revenge out on Kuruk for his past life's attempt to kill him by steal his wife's face. After that Kuruk has been Hunting Koh even after death. I have tp go check that out. |
| Sektos wrote: |
| But this is before the age of Viagra BUT as i said, its most likely he had Azulon before he Roku died; simple fact of ensuring blood line continues. |
| Sektos wrote: |
| Okay, ASSUMING Zuko was 10 (this is the age ive seen displayed msot often for young Zuko in ZUk Alone, and Azula nine) when Ozai took charge, and its stated Azulon ruled for 23 years. Zuko is roughly 17 now, so Aang was frozen for 100 years, meaning Azulon took power rougly 30 years before beginning of show (or 70 yrs After Froz Aang; AFA Its all very mucked up SO if Wiselad is correct that Sozin was 58 (very weird because for a powerful bender he looks fairly old, and especially so for ROku- an avatar- meaning he had huge gray streaks at age 33!) when Roku died, and 70 when War began, he would have died at age 140. If we assume Sozin had Azulon at age 50, then he would be 90 yo by time he died. Iroh being in his sixties (who had a soon who looked like he was 30 when he died) means Azulon had Iroh at roughly age 30 and Ozai at age 50. |
I meant in second paragraph- when Sozin STARTED war Azulon was an Adult
| Sektos wrote: | ||
I meant in second paragraph- when Sozin STARTED war Azulon was an Adult |
