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The Real Truth of Azulon's Death (major potential spoiler)

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    Eman5805

    [1]Sep 21, 2006
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    The clue came when Azula said in a soft voice that Azulon passed away, now why would she say he's passed away like that? That got me thinking...what's a way for someone to pass away suddenly when you're an old man? Heart attack. Here's what I think happend:

    After Azula came to Zuko saying "Dad's going to kill you." Ursa questioned Azula and learned what happened after she left. Ursa rushes to Azulon, and pleads that Azulon doesn't banish Zuko(that's how Zuko would be sacrificed), but his decision was final. So, she saves her baby the only way a mother can, she bites him back. She challenges Azulon to Agni Kai, if she wins, Zuko doesn't get banished and Ozai is to??suceed Azulon as??Fire Lord, but if she loses, she'd be banished instead of Zuko and Iroh would still be next in line. Azulon even despite being older is more powerful than Ursa, but the strain of the battle is too much for Azulon's aging heart. But,(this is key to my whole theory) Agni Kai's are by law non-lethal events. If the other combatant is killed in battle by the other(directly or indirectly in this case) the??"winner"??is banished.

    I originally had this in Spoilers & Speculation, but I want honest response on this and this seemed worthy of a seperate thread.

    Edited on 09/22/2006 7:12am
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    zimtower

    [2]Sep 21, 2006
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    You got me thinking...
    Very nice theory, the best one ive seen
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    SifuKatara

    [3]Sep 22, 2006
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    I have theories of this 2:

    The TURTLE DUCKS SCENE! It says it all, gonna bite you back. The Azula line in Avatar State, "Like I haven't done that before." This means that Ursa killed Azulon based on what was said by Azula to her. But, I think Azula lied to try to get Ursa, a powerful bender mad, and Zuko mad, maybe increasing daddy's chances over "his royal tea and cookieness." I agree about your theory, though doubt that the Ag Ni Kai would be that official, maybe a small one, otherwise Zuko woulda heard. Also, Azula said, "No one knows what happened to Ursa." She could be lying again, but you'd think that news would have spread about something like that. Your theory has some probability towards it, a lot is probable, though I disagree about the Ag Ni Kai, I guess, a personal battle between those two with those terms, Ursa runs off, leaves Azulon to die and live up to the deal. Azula lied about everything, except for that no one knows where Ursa is. Wow, I typed a ton. Eman you are theMan for this theory. I love it, but of cource, I have to argue it as well. You are a great theorist.
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    UGamer08

    [4]Sep 22, 2006
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    Do I really want to get int- ah the hell with. Ok well from what we've seen from past Agni Kais, I think it can go either way. And then there's the fact that we've never really seen Ursa bend and she doesn't really strike me as the firebending type. But that's just opinion.
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    SifuKatara

    [5]Sep 22, 2006
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    No, I think she might me. I bet she was to marry into the royal family.
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    e-hero-will

    [6]Sep 22, 2006
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    I don't think that's true.
    I think that after Ozai's chat with daddy, he decided he should just do it the hard way and take him out.
    Ozai killed Azulon but Ursa saw she runs away and says goodbye to Zuko and then Ozai takes her out-
    WAIT A SECOND, that theroy does make sense....
    Nevermind, I agree to your theroy.
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    e-hero-will

    [7]Sep 22, 2006
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    Oh and I think that women wouldn't do an Agni Kai, it just seems to manly and savage.

    For that part, I think she shoots a fire blast at him, or throws something at him, which takes him out.
    Seeing as she just killed the Fire Lord, she has to escape. She's not a usurper, so maybe Ozai found him and made it seem like Ozai would become fire lord.
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    dumbTVnut

    [8]Sep 22, 2006
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    Hear is my idea:

    The creators will forget to answer this question and the series will end with them never telling us what happened to azulon, leaving fans to make intelligent but ultimately useless and unverifiable hypotheses for all eternity. It will be just like now, except forever, Yeeeaaaah!
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    Eman5805

    [9]Sep 22, 2006
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    SifuKatara wrote:
    I have theories of this 2: The TURTLE DUCKS SCENE! It says it all, gonna bite you back. The Azula line in Avatar State, "Like I haven't done that before." This means that Ursa killed Azulon based on what was said by Azula to her. But, I think Azula lied to try to get Ursa, a powerful bender mad, and Zuko mad, maybe increasing daddy's chances over "his royal tea and cookieness." I agree about your theory, though doubt that the Ag Ni Kai would be that official, maybe a small one, otherwise Zuko woulda heard. Also, Azula said, "No one knows what happened to Ursa." She could be lying again, but you'd think that news would have spread about something like that. Your theory has some probability towards it, a lot is probable, though I disagree about the Ag Ni Kai, I guess, a personal battle between those two with those terms, Ursa runs off, leaves Azulon to die and live up to the deal. Azula lied about everything, except for that no one knows where Ursa is. Wow, I typed a ton. Eman you are theMan for this theory. I love it, but of cource, I have to argue it as well. You are a great theorist.

    Thanks man...I appreciate that.

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    FallOutGirl13

    [10]Sep 22, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    Hear is my idea: The creators will forget to answer this question and the series will end with them never telling us what happened to azulon, leaving fans to make intelligent but ultimately useless and unverifiable hypotheses for all eternity. It will be just like now, except forever, Yeeeaaaah!

    I agree with you except for the part in which the creators forget it, I think that if the creators don't answer it by the end of the series, they never meants to answer it.

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    fredfredburgerk

    [11]Sep 23, 2006
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    I can't believe you guys can not see that Ozai killed Azulon and Ursa. He is just a meanie. Whaaaaa!

    Okay. Ozai originally would just kill Azulon, but he knew his wife would be smart enogh to notice that #1 Azulon wouldn't just die, and#2, She might've kept him from being fire Lord so Iroh would get back in time to take his rightful place as fire Lord.

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    SifuKatara

    [12]Sep 23, 2006
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    no, Eman and my theories are compelete, and make total sence. I disagree, the turtle ducks scene tells all fredfredburgerk.
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    soccerdawg76

    [13]Sep 23, 2006
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    nice, very complete. That very well could be true.
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    Torizzllle

    [14]Sep 23, 2006
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    i agree with sd
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    Eman5805

    [15]Sep 23, 2006
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    SifuKatara wrote:
    no, Eman and my theories are compelete, and make total sence. I disagree, the turtle ducks scene tells all fredfredburgerk.

    uhh...what? lol

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    neverbeenpinker

    [16]Sep 23, 2006
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    Eman5805 wrote:

    The clue came when Azula said in a soft voice that Azulon passed away, now why would she say he's passed away like that? That got me thinking...what's a way for someone to pass away suddenly when you're an old man? Heart attack. Here's what I think happend:

    After Azula came to Zuko saying "Dad's going to kill you." Ursa questioned Azula and learned what happened after she left. Ursa rushes to Azulon, and pleads that Azulon doesn't banish Zuko(that's how Zuko would be sacrificed), but his decision was final. So, she saves her baby the only way a mother can, she bites him back. She challenges Azulon to Agni Kai, if she wins, Zuko doesn't get banished and Ozai is to??suceed Azulon as??Fire Lord, but if she loses, she'd be banished instead of Zuko and Iroh would still be next in line. Azulon even despite being older is more powerful than Ursa, but the strain of the battle is too much for Azulon's aging heart. But,(this is key to my whole theory) Agni Kai's are by law non-lethal events. If the other combatant is killed in battle by the other(directly or indirectly in this case) the??"winner"??is banished.

    I originally had this in Spoilers & Speculation, but I want honest response on this and this seemed worthy of a seperate thread.


    meh. i've heard worse. it's possible.
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    Eman5805

    [17]Sep 27, 2006
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    bump
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    Shard2005

    [18]Sep 27, 2006
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    e-hero-will wrote:
    I don't think that's true.
    I think that after Ozai's chat with daddy, he decided he should just do it the hard way and take him out.
    Ozai killed Azulon but Ursa saw she runs away and says goodbye to Zuko and then Ozai takes her out-
    WAIT A SECOND, that theroy does make sense....
    Nevermind, I agree to your theroy.
    I totally agree with you. I think Ozai killed his father, but his wife caught him in the act. He threatened her life if she ever talked. Ursa couldn't live with what her husband had done (they never loved each other anyway, it was a betrothed marriage), so she decides to leave before her husband can make good on his threat. However, she leaves her children, knowing Ozai won't kill his heirs. She says goodbye to Zuko (and maybe Azula) and flees with the help of some soldiers who are loyal to her. Ozai finds her gone, and says good riddence, he got what he wanted: power. If it cost him a wife, so be it. When Zuko asks him about Ursa, Ozai is silent and we never see his face. That look of stern silence, can mean grief, but most likely, he was telling his son:"We will never talk about that woman in this house again, understand?" Especially seeing Zuko's looks of total bewilderment. Ursa is probably still out there somewhere, in hiding.
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    fieryknight43

    [19]Sep 27, 2006
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    fredfredburgerk wrote:

    I can't believe you guys can not see that Ozai killed Azulon and Ursa. He is just a meanie. Whaaaaa!

    Okay. Ozai originally would just kill Azulon, but he knew his wife would be smart enogh to notice that #1 Azulon wouldn't just die, and#2, She might've kept him from being fire Lord so Iroh would get back in time to take his rightful place as fire Lord.


    Thank you! Someone who understands!

    Seriously, think about it. In that episode Ursa was shown to be kind and strong, and supportive of Azulon, who seemed to be less corrupted, and more honorable than OZai. That's why he wanted Iroh as the new fire lord. Azula supports her father in everything, and obviously adores death, blood, destruction, and all that "good" stuff.

    Ozai killing Azulon is a given. However, if you remember in the episode, Azulon asked Ozai to lose his only son and see how he felt. Thing is, Ozai doesn't like Zuko, so he would have no problem killing the boy. Ursa on the other hand,loves Zuko to death, and would not allow that so when she heard Azula saying that Zuko's father was going to kill him, she went to find out herself. And when she found out it was true, made a decision to have him kill her instead. So, she wakes up her son, tells him that she does everything to protect him and runs back to her husband, or in this case her death. Ozai may not like Zuko, but because of Iroh's return, he wouldn't want to bring his son to a hasty death. It would be too suspicious.

    Now about Azula, as I said, she completely supports her father. She thought her grandfather was weak, and thought Iroh was pathetic. So, she happily watched Ozai kill Azulon, and her mother as well. She wouldn't tell the truth because of the great admiration for her father, and she wouldn't want things to look bad for them, now would she?

    And that is my theory...long, but makes sense right?
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    BiSheng

    [20]Sep 27, 2006
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    Shard2005 wrote:
    e-hero-will wrote:
    I don't think that's true.
    I think that after Ozai's chat with daddy, he decided he should just do it the hard way and take him out.
    Ozai killed Azulon but Ursa saw she runs away and says goodbye to Zuko and then Ozai takes her out-
    WAIT A SECOND, that theroy does make sense....
    Nevermind, I agree to your theroy.
    I totally agree with you. I think Ozai killed his father, but his wife caught him in the act. He threatened her life if she ever talked. Ursa couldn't live with what her husband had done (they never loved each other anyway, it was a betrothed marriage), so she decides to leave before her husband can make good on his threat. However, she leaves her children, knowing Ozai won't kill his heirs. She says goodbye to Zuko (and maybe Azula) and flees with the help of some soldiers who are loyal to her. Ozai finds her gone, and says good riddence, he got what he wanted: power. If it cost him a wife, so be it. When Zuko asks him about Ursa, Ozai is silent and we never see his face. That look of stern silence, can mean grief, but most likely, he was telling his son:"We will never talk about that woman in this house again, understand?" Especially seeing Zuko's looks of total bewilderment. Ursa is probably still out there somewhere, in hiding.
    Or instead Ozai caught her trying to escape and killed her. Or she could have confronted Ozai, and he could have let the argument go at that point but his attitude could have told her to expect trouble. She could have known he was going to have her killed later. Or she might not have confronted him but he could have killed her anyway so that there were no witnesses.

    I suppose what I'm saying is that I think she's dead.

    Edit: While I was posting fiery made his coment and I just want to say that I completly agree.
    Edited on 09/27/2006 7:24pm
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