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The Real Truth of Azulon's Death (major potential spoiler)

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    tico1125

    [61]Dec 15, 2006
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    andreitayehp wrote:
    Well, it's a good one, but zuko is alredy quite unhappy without an evil mother, I think she was a bender, in nick.com it says about a FL (I don't remember which one) He is a very powerful firemaster, as every FL And Marriages in royalty are almost always arranged, so they ensure that each wife or husband must be first level benders. I don't think she is evil , because she would have been nicer with Azula, I mean, FN, as the most advanced, is not chauvinist as Watertribes, remember, in the blue spirit, Zhao said, in a speech, talking with the army: "Brothers and sisters from the FN....! And Fn people has a lot more respect toward Azula than Zuko, so they would be able to acept her as firelady. If Ursa wanted the power, it wouldn't care if Zuko died, cause there's still Azula, but she was pretty strict to her. She's alive, Zuko's fervish dreams were predictions, all we know it because of the dragons part. Azula is the guilty: Sleep, just as your mother, really meaned, get away and leave the power to me! I'm agree with that teory that said Azula lied, Ursa killed Azulon, then realized there was no need to do it, maybe Azula threatened to tell all that to his father if she didn't leave, but I think Azula is being controlled for those two crones, so that's the reason that ursa wondered what was grong with her, she had changed, so she is in the inner side, weak.

    The bolded area does make me think how possible it might be that Azula pushed Ursa out.?? The reason why I say that is because in the Zuko Alone episode he reminisces the scene where he wakes up to find his mother and sees Azula with the knife.?? He then asks for the knife back.?? She says, "Mom's not here to protect you."?? He asks, "Where is she?"?? "No one knows."

    As for Ursa being evil, I don't think she is at all.?? I think she is tired of the war and wants peace.?? Think about it this way, right now FN people cannot travel the world because they are not wanted in the lands.?? They are considered enemies.?? When there is peace then the people can mingle and live normal lives peacefully.?? They can go to different continents and see the various sites.
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    Eman5805

    [62]Dec 15, 2006
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    Man, as soon as I forget about this thread it pops back up??But anyway,??in retrospect I realized an error on my part:

    Azula didn't say Azulon wasn't the picture of health he once was. I mistakenly mixed together two different quotes. Ursa said he(Azulon) was a picture of health, and Azula said he wasn't the great Fire Lord he once was and??someone would eventually overthrow him soon.

    SO, now my reasoning is that Azulon still died of a heart attack as an ironic twist. I mean Ursa says he's a picture of health, but he winds up having a heart attack in a fight with her? Irony at it's finest.

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    tico1125

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    Eman5805 wrote:

    Man, as soon as I forget about this thread it pops back up But anyway, in retrospect I realized an error on my part:

    Azula didn't say Azulon wasn't the picture of health he once was. I mistakenly mixed together two different quotes. Ursa said he(Azulon) was a picture of health, and Azula said he wasn't the great Fire Lord he once was and someone would eventually overthrow him soon.

    SO, now my reasoning is that Azulon still died of a heart attack as an ironic twist. I mean Ursa says he's a picture of health, but he winds up having a heart attack in a fight with her? Irony at it's finest.


    But at least your thread has some sense to it.?? I really think that Ursa is alive and that Iroh stayed with Zuko because she asked him to train him into a great prince to run the FN.?? Like I said before, we do not know the whole reason why Iroh stayed with Zuko in the first place.?? They just said that he thinks of Zuko like a son.
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    Earthbender567

    [64]Jan 19, 2007
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    tico1125 wrote:
    It is a huge possibility that she is going to come back.?? The reason why I say that is because of the Earth King episode.?? Zuko dreamed of his mother calling out to him.?? In this show it is safe to assume that the meanings of a character's dreams are a gateway into the future and past.

    Think about all the dreams Aang had.

    too tru too tru mamybe she is inprisioned
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    Earthbender567

    [65]Jan 19, 2007
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    p />[/QUOTE]now my reasoning is that Azulon still died of a heart attack as an ironic twist. I mean Ursa says he's a picture of health, but he winds up having a heart attack in a fight with her? Irony at it's finest.

    [/QUOTE] Your my boy Blue!!! from the movie old school. will ferrel

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    Eman5805

    [66]Jan 19, 2007
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    Man, like that post earlier, I forgot all about this thread. I even gotta look at the first message I wrote to see what it was about.
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    clearwater04

    [67]Jan 19, 2007
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    ursa being a firebender definately sounds logical
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    kath2833

    [68]Jan 20, 2007
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    Wow, I so can't believe it. How did you know that?
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    clearwater04

    [69]Jan 20, 2007
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    i think that it was ozai who killed everyone thats it he 4got 2 t8ke his crazy pills and started killing everyone so that he'd get the throne.?? First he killed Luten and asked 4 the throne but was denied so he killed azulon but ursa found out so he killed her then the towel boy found out so he killed him and so on and so on
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    PhoenixAngel37

    [70]Jan 20, 2007
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    I have another question? Was Ozai expecting that Azulon will kill Zuko or hurt Zuko or even kill Zuko because Ozai trained Azula? ...I remember that he smiled when Azula was showing her grandfather her skills and when Zuko wanted to demostrate...he frowned...It seems premediated. Ozai prob. knew that by him asking his father- Azulon- for the crown..there would be a sacrifice(sp?) - Zuko for Iroh's son -. If his father wanted to have the crown he would be training Zuko like he11...but he didnt. He loved his daughter more than his first son...and in Chinese (hopefully ATLA is from China or is Chinese) culture...the first son is more loved than even a daughter and families always want their first child as a son..and if they have their first child as a girl and IF they have a second child as a boy - the boy is loved more....any comments?
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    clearwater04

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    thats true with most families back then.?? Thats y iroh was supposed 2 get the throne but ozai stole it
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    clearwater04

    [72]Jan 20, 2007
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    what i don't get is y??ozai trained azula and not zuko yu think he would have but i guess he saw more talent in her cause girls develope faster than boys.?? but they also suffer some incomplete abilities like she can't breath fire. but then again female waterbenders cna heal.
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    ravenfilange24

    [73]Jan 20, 2007
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    The episode Zuko Alone always confused me. But after some thought, here's the conclusion I came up with, using what the characters ACTUALLY said as proof:

    Azula: Dad's going to killll you.... Really, he is.

    This is the one time when Azula was not lying. I believe that Ozai would kill his own son for the title of Fire Lord, he didn't like Zuko much anyway. Ursa comes in and asks what Azula is talking about, and Azula tells her. Ursa believes her.

    Ursa: Zuko, my love, everything I've done, I've done to protect you.

    Ursa killed Azulon, giving Ozai no reason to kill Zuko, and making him Fire Lord. Since Azulon was a "picture of health" or whatever they said, someone might suspect he died prematurely. That's why Ursa was forced to flee.

    That's my theory anyway. It kind of bugs me that they didn't clearly explain it.

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    kedyncrow

    [74]Jan 24, 2007
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    Obviously Fire Lord Azulan was sentencing Prince Ozai to have to do the unthinkable to his son Zuko as punishment, but Zuko's Mother said take me instead. Which is why after Azula said Zuko was going to be killed, his mom came and said "I do everything for you" so Fire Lord Azulan excepted the exchange and Killed/Banished her. then in rage when he found his wife had been killed in place of his non tallented son, Prince Ozai killed his father and took his place. and ever since has held a grudge against Prince Zuko.
    Edited on 07/12/2008 6:41am
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    ravenfilange24

    [75]Jan 24, 2007
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    kedyncrow wrote:
    obviously fire lord azulan was sentencing prince ozai to have to lose his son zuko, as punishment, but the mom said take me instead. which is why after azula said zuko was gonna be killed, his mom came and said i do everything for you... so fire lord azulan excepted the exchange and killed her without fire lord ozai knowing. then in rage when he found his wife had been killed inplace of his non tallented son he killed his father took his place.. then had a continuous grudge against prince zuko ever since.

    I kind of like that one. But it seems a little too complicated, you assume a lot. But still, I like it. It makes sense.

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    clara-nuts

    [76]Apr 13, 2007
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    Think longer term. Azulon thought Zuko was a worthless pup, and favored Azula. Azulon propably liked Orzai's audacity to ask for the throne over Iroh. However, I think they would still have wanted a male heir. So Zuko wouldn't be killed (by whomever) until Orzai had a second son. (Azula saying "Daddy is going to kill you" is a form of deciect called quibbling, leaving things out that are pertinent to the discussion). So whatever happened to Azulon, coincidence or Ursa taking an active role, she had to disappear so no third child could be born. Iroh was widowed at this point. The marriage customs in Avatar are very Western, Orzai now has to wait until Ursa is declared legally dead. Then either Zuko has been toughened by his ordeals, or embittered, which is the goal, or Orzai gets remarried and has another son and Zuko is really in danger.
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    e-hero-will wrote:
    Oh and I think that women wouldn't do an Agni Kai, it just seems to manly and savage. For that part, I think she shoots a fire blast at him, or throws something at him, which takes him out. Seeing as she just killed the Fire Lord, she has to escape. She's not a usurper, so maybe Ozai found him and made it seem like Ozai would become fire lord.

    yah, i dont think women would really fight in Agnai-Kai's. even if ursa wanted to, azulon would probably be like "ha, u wish!" Nice theory, but ursa fighting wouldnt be to likely. i suppose we r just gonna have to wait and c in season 3...

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    Eman5805

    [78]Apr 13, 2007
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    Man, this thread came back up from the bowels. Like clockwork. Anyway, after the season finale I'm positive women can participate in Agni Kai's. After all, Azula knew Zuko would challenge her to one. And I just don't see why she'd figure that if women never could have Agni Kai's...
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    Ninja_Avatar875

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    Shard2005 wrote:
    e-hero-will wrote:
    I don't think that's true. I think that after Ozai's chat with daddy, he decided he should just do it the hard way and take him out. Ozai killed Azulon but Ursa saw she runs away and says goodbye to Zuko and then Ozai takes her out- WAIT A SECOND, that theroy does make sense.... Nevermind, I agree to your theroy.
    I totally agree with you. I think Ozai killed his father, but his wife caught him in the act. He threatened her life if she ever talked. Ursa couldn't live with what her husband had done (they never loved each other anyway, it was a betrothed marriage), so she decides to leave before her husband can make good on his threat. However, she leaves her children, knowing Ozai won't kill his heirs. She says goodbye to Zuko (and maybe Azula) and flees with the help of some soldiers who are loyal to her. Ozai finds her gone, and says good riddence, he got what he wanted: power. If it cost him a wife, so be it. When Zuko asks him about Ursa, Ozai is silent and we never see his face. That look of stern silence, can mean grief, but most likely, he was telling his son:"We will never talk about that woman in this house again, understand?" Especially seeing Zuko's looks of total bewilderment. Ursa is probably still out there somewhere, in hiding.

    That is probably happened knowing Ozai's personality or at least what we have seen.

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    _Nalesnik_

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    Nice theory eman! It sure blows my "Azulon gave Ozai a scar, then Ozai kills him" theory out of the water. BTW did anyone notice that during the coronation of Ozai, the speaker guy read all of the family memebrs of the royal family EXCEPT Ursa's. I mean, the guy named everybody, even Iroh's dead wife, so if Iroh's wife is important enough to be named, surely Ursa is too. Yet she is mysterously left out of the eulogue. So maybe that means that she isn't dead cause they would have mentioned her, but instead she is more likely banish, or she dissappeared by herself, and now the FN is rewriting history to exclude her to avoid suspicion on what they did with her. Another good point to strenghen ur theory eman
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