Nickelodeon (ended 2008)
I prefer to think of it as stubborn debating, but what gives.
These arguments are actually nothing new to me. I originally developed most of these for a debate in my history class. Only there, the subject was Julius Caesar, rather than Azula. By the by, I won that debate
| gilvatar wrote: |
| Yeah I agree with Tawn. You have to pick if you're debating over whether if it was honorable to take a shot at someone who wasn't even participating in the Agni Kai or if you're debating whether it was in Azula's character to take the shot. |
One problem is that there seems to be some confusion over whether we are arguing over "honorable" or "in the rules". If the latter, I would argue that the move was legitimate. If the former - heck no. It was a violation of everything in the book of "honor" (the avatar version, at least). But honor never won or lost anybody a fight. It just created opinion.
| PsychoPass wrote: |
| I think what we should really be asking is... Where in the heck was Katara when the 20 tonne blasts of fire were going off? ;o As my friend puts it, "She just walks onto the scene behind Zuko." Now that's a real question for much heated debate. [/new topic w/ comical overtones] |
Good idea
I will grant Doomed_soul one thing - he sure knows how to stir up a veritable and metaphorical wasp's nest.
On a final note - I do believe that Azula's strike was technically within the rules (although I will grant that it was extremely dishonorable). I'm feeling really tired right now - so I'll post it tommorow.
Good night all.
PEACE (lol. Irony)
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| Axrendale wrote: |
On a final note - I do believe that Azula's strike was technically within the rules (although I will grant that it was extremely dishonorable). I'm feeling really tired right now - so I'll post it tommorow. Good night all. PEACE (lol. Irony |
| Axrendale wrote: |
On a final note - I do believe that Azula's strike was technically within the rules (although I will grant that it was extremely dishonorable). I'm feeling really tired right now - so I'll post it tommorow. Good night all. PEACE (lol. Irony |
| sektos wrote: |
| Im not saying Azula CANT fight; she definitely has great technique and is very powerful, but there is a difference between knowing the theory and the practical. Things dont always work out the way we read and learn it, with information constant being revised and updated as people discover and experience new things. Azula as far as we know had never left the FN before going after Zuko, and (from my understanding, which u can disagree with) learnt everything from masters at home and their experience. My point was that Azula as far as we know has neva fought a Water Bender before Katara and it really shows when she gets her ass handed to her within seconds of fighting Katara in CROD. She, however, learns quickly like ZUko, so that the next time she fights her she fights her she is more prepared, plus had the comet to assist her. But again she fails, partly due to her being unstable (really took away from Zuko fight in my opinion), when fighting Katara and doesnt attempt to escape when frozen by her. |
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The entire reason that there were no people there was because Azula had banished tme in a fit of psychotic paranoia. If therehad been people there, then she would presumably have been sane, and on much more equal footing with Zuko. So either way.
As far as the rules go, I view it as being similar to a game of tennis. If one player hits the ball out, but before it can go out, the other player accidently knocks it back in, the ball stays in play. The fact that it was going out is irrelevant - the other player chose to hit it back in, the game goes on. Likewise, Zuko chose to intercept the lightning bolt, and keep the "game" going. To his detriment.
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The entire reason that there were no people there was because Azula had banished tme in a fit of psychotic paranoia. If therehad been people there, then she would presumably have been sane, and on much more equal footing with Zuko. So either way. As far as the rules go, I view it as being similar to a game of tennis. If one player hits the ball out, but before it can go out, the other player accidently knocks it back in, the ball stays in play. The fact that it was going out is irrelevant - the other player chose to hit it back in, the game goes on. Likewise, Zuko chose to intercept the lightning bolt, and keep the "game" going. To his detriment. |
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| You've hit it right on the head, Gilvatar! Good job. Azula took a MAJOR chance. If she had somehow misread Zuko, Azula would've been automatically kicked out. But, in her perspective, it was a lose-lose-win situation. Either she could surrender, because Azula obviously wasn't in any position to fight much more (notice her posture and heavy breathing), she could shoot lightening and Katara and have it hit her (automatically disqualifying Azula), or Zuko would get in the way and Azula could have a fighting chance. She took a chance, and it turned out to be briefly worth it. |
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| You've hit it right on the head, Gilvatar! Good job. Azula took a MAJOR chance. If she had somehow misread Zuko, Azula would've been automatically kicked out. But, in her perspective, it was a lose-lose-win situation. Either she could surrender, because Azula obviously wasn't in any position to fight much more (notice her posture and heavy breathing), she could shoot lightening and Katara and have it hit her (automatically disqualifying Azula), or Zuko would get in the way and Azula could have a fighting chance. She took a chance, and it turned out to be briefly worth it. |
