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Sozin's Comet (Series Finale) Official Discussion Thread - (*Major Spoilers*)

Rate the finale! How was it?

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    Axrendale

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    Saying that Azula is just a "powerhouse", no actual skill, is about as unacurate as they come. Her entire fighting style is based completely around precision and manipulation of her surroundings - and it was for this reason that she did so poorly in the finale - she was in no condition to be doing any tactical thinking.

    "Azula just throws fire around, no manipulation of it".

    Okay, seriously. I was seriously starting to wonder after your shipping comments, but you have just confirmed that you have either never actually watched the series, or badly need an eye doctor.

    Can I refer these moments to you?:

    This one isn't bending, but it's bad-ass to the extreme, so it gets a mention

    That's a pretty nifty trick.

    And let us not forget her signature move:

    Doesn't look like just a powerhouse to me

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    Dark_soul89

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    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.
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    isabelwhatx

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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.
    Her mind games count as lasting "that long". It's another one of her tricks. Azula used her surroundings in DoBS as well as other episodes.

    Edited on 09/08/2008 5:18pm
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    Dark_soul89

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    isabelwhatx wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.
    Her mind games count as lasting "that long". It's another one of her tricks. Azula used her surroundings in DoBS as well as other episodes.

    Okay so that's once, and she probably had to send a week to plan to use that move lol, she's a planer and can't react, and her mind games count as survival how? If you fighting for keeps it won't keep them from killing you
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    Axrendale

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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.

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    Dark_soul89

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.


    yeah that last one kinda backfired same for the second one, so she does do it, she just sucks at it
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    isabelwhatx

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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.
    Her mind games count as lasting "that long". It's another one of her tricks. Azula used her surroundings in DoBS as well as other episodes.

    Okay so that's once, and she probably had to send a week to plan to use that move lol, she's a planer and can't react, and her mind games count as survival how? If you fighting for keeps it won't keep them from killing you

    It did not take her a week. These moves are "spur of the moment" moves, if you will. Also, her mind games most definitely count as a fighting tactic. If she can prevent her enemy from attacking her, she is skilled. Her mind games do just that. And, apparently, her mind games DID keep her from getting killed. Sokka needed the information and therefore didn't harm Azula.
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    Axrendale

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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.
    Her mind games count as lasting "that long". It's another one of her tricks. Azula used her surroundings in DoBS as well as other episodes.
    Okay so that's once, and she probably had to send a week to plan to use that move lol, she's a planer and can't react, and her mind games count as survival how? If you fighting for keeps it won't keep them from killing you

    "Can't react"? You definitely need to watch the episodes with Azula in them again.

    And there was no way she could have planned out the fight in DOBS. She had no idea who would be coming for her, and what moves they would try to use against her - even she isn't that good at anticipating things. All she could have done at most was practice some moves with the Dai Lee agents, and then make it up on the run when the fight started.

    Mind games were what allowed her to conquer Ba Sing Se. I'd say that's a pretty impressive use of them.

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.
    Her mind games count as lasting "that long". It's another one of her tricks. Azula used her surroundings in DoBS as well as other episodes.

    Okay so that's once, and she probably had to send a week to plan to use that move lol, she's a planer and can't react, and her mind games count as survival how? If you fighting for keeps it won't keep them from killing you

    It did not take her a week. These moves are "spur of the moment" moves, if you will. Also, her mind games most definitely count as a fighting tactic. If she can prevent her enemy from attacking her, she is skilled. Her mind games do just that. And, apparently, her mind games DID keep her from getting killed. Sokka needed the information and therefore didn't harm Azula.

    They needed the info on the fire lord more, so her mind games actually did little, and if the show wasn't G rated Toph probably would of killed her
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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.

    yeah that last one kinda backfired same for the second one, so she does do it, she just sucks at it

    When any of the other characters can do it anywhere near as well as she can, you can say she suck, until then...

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    Dark_soul89

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    Axrendale wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.

    yeah that last one kinda backfired same for the second one, so she does do it, she just sucks at it

    When any of the other characters can do it anywhere near as well as she can, you can say she suck, until then...

    Well Zuko won every single battle that the story line allowed
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    isabelwhatx

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    Dark_soul89 wrote:

    Well Zuko won every single battle that the story line allowed

    Joke, right? Zuko lost the first battle he ever fought on the show. The whole entire 1st season is filled with failure.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:

    Well Zuko won every single battle that the story line allowed

    Joke, right? Zuko lost the first battle he ever fought on the show. The whole entire 1st season is filled with failure.

    he beat Zhoa, captured Katara, Aang and Gang ran away from him, he beat Sokka in his first fight of the show, he recused Aang beating all the guards without fire bending, he tied jet, the list goes on
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    isabelwhatx

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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:

    Well Zuko won every single battle that the story line allowed

    Joke, right? Zuko lost the first battle he ever fought on the show. The whole entire 1st season is filled with failure.

    he beat Zhoa, captured Katara, Aang and Gang ran away from him, he beat Sokka in his first fight of the show, he recused Aang beating all the guards without fire bending, he tied jet, the list goes on

    Zuko quickly lost Aang in the finale, and he only captured him because he was unconscious. In the second episode Aang pwned Zuko with AS action. The Blue Spirit wasn't fighting, it was simply running away.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:

    Well Zuko won every single battle that the story line allowed

    Joke, right? Zuko lost the first battle he ever fought on the show. The whole entire 1st season is filled with failure.

    he beat Zhoa, captured Katara, Aang and Gang ran away from him, he beat Sokka in his first fight of the show, he recused Aang beating all the guards without fire bending, he tied jet, the list goes on

    Zuko quickly lost Aang in the finale, and he only captured him because he was unconscious. In the second episode Aang pwned Zuko with AS action. The Blue Spirit wasn't fighting, it was simply running away.

    I said captured KATARA in that scene where he had her tied up... and Aang and gang spent most of the time running away from him, and if he didn't fight how the hell did he get to Aang to release him and the battles you mentioned he had to lose or else the story would have ended because Aang would have been captured (ie. Storyline didn't allow)
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    isabelwhatx

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    Storyline doesn't allow is a BS excuse. If the creators wanted it to happen, then the story would've ended there. Aang did not run away from him in The Avatar Returns. He beat him on his own ship.
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    Axrendale wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.

    Using Katara's presence isn't cunning. It's cheating. It's an Agni Kai (sp?), involving by nature only the two combatants. Firing at Katara was a cheapshot, and if anything, indicitive of her slipping ability. There's a line between the two.

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    isabelwhatx

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    rgc19 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.

    Using Katara's presence isn't cunning. It's cheating. It's an Agni Kai (sp?), involving by nature only the two combatants. Firing at Katara was a cheapshot, and if anything, indicitive of her slipping ability. There's a line between the two.

    Finding Katara was brilliant. Azula manipulated her surroundings, just as Sokka did in Sokka's Master when he used the bamboo. Both Sokka and Azula used something else to do the work for them. It was not a cheap shot, it was a great move. She achieved what she was hoping for.
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    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Dark_soul89 wrote:
    she wasn't manipulating it in one of those screen shots, she just charged it and fired and in DBS she had weeks to prepare she was expecting it and she still didn't last that long, her mind games saved her. Also she has never used the surroundings to her advantage, ever.

    Using her surroundings to her advantage was exactly what she did in DOBS. And in The Boiling Rock, when she attempted to abandon Zuko on a rail-car that was about to collapse into the lake. And again in the Finale, when she quite cunningly used Katara's presnce very well to her advantage.

    yeah that last one kinda backfired same for the second one, so she does do it, she just sucks at it

    When any of the other characters can do it anywhere near as well as she can, you can say she suck, until then...
    Well Zuko won every single battle that the story line allowed

    That may be, but we're not talking about winning fights. We're talking about using surroundings to an advantage. The only people other than Azula who have ever done anything like that on a regular basis are Aang and Sokka.

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    Dark_soul89

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Storyline doesn't allow is a BS excuse. If the creators wanted it to happen, then the story would've ended there. Aang did not run away from him in The Avatar Returns. He beat him on his own ship.

    with the avatar state... and I said in the start that he won every battle that the storyline allowed him to win, so if you wanted to challenge that why didn't you in your second post...
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