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Sozin's Comet (Series Finale) Official Discussion Thread - (*Major Spoilers*)

Rate the finale! How was it?

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    isabelwhatx

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    Watch_them_fall wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    You've hit it right on the head, Gilvatar! Good job. Azula took a MAJOR chance. If she had somehow misread Zuko, Azula would've been automatically kicked out. But, in her perspective, it was a lose-lose-win situation. Either she could surrender, because Azula obviously wasn't in any position to fight much more (notice her posture and heavy breathing), she could shoot lightening and Katara and have it hit her (automatically disqualifying Azula), or Zuko would get in the way and Azula could have a fighting chance. She took a chance, and it turned out to be briefly worth it.
    Though I would think attacking a bystander would disqualify her... of course, it wasn't your general Agni Ki, the rules hardly seemed to matter.

    Nonooono, you are COMPLETELY correct. Attacking a bystander WOULD disqualify her. That was the risk. If Katara had been hit, Azula would've immediately been disqualified and Zuko would've won. But, Zuko fell into Azula's trap and tried to rescue Katara, letting Azula win. Azula never touched Katara, therefore she never attacked her.
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    Watch_them_fall

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Watch_them_fall wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    You've hit it right on the head, Gilvatar! Good job. Azula took a MAJOR chance. If she had somehow misread Zuko, Azula would've been automatically kicked out. But, in her perspective, it was a lose-lose-win situation. Either she could surrender, because Azula obviously wasn't in any position to fight much more (notice her posture and heavy breathing), she could shoot lightening and Katara and have it hit her (automatically disqualifying Azula), or Zuko would get in the way and Azula could have a fighting chance. She took a chance, and it turned out to be briefly worth it.
    Though I would think attacking a bystander would disqualify her... of course, it wasn't your general Agni Ki, the rules hardly seemed to matter.
    Nonooono, you are COMPLETELY correct. Attacking a bystander WOULD disqualify her. That was the risk. If Katara had been hit, Azula would've immediately been disqualified and Zuko would've won. But, Zuko fell into Azula's trap and tried to rescue Katara, letting Azula win. Azula never touched Katara, therefore she never attacked her.
    Even attempting to attack a bystander seems like cause to be disqualified.
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    Axrendale

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    Watch_them_fall wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Watch_them_fall wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    You've hit it right on the head, Gilvatar! Good job. Azula took a MAJOR chance. If she had somehow misread Zuko, Azula would've been automatically kicked out. But, in her perspective, it was a lose-lose-win situation. Either she could surrender, because Azula obviously wasn't in any position to fight much more (notice her posture and heavy breathing), she could shoot lightening and Katara and have it hit her (automatically disqualifying Azula), or Zuko would get in the way and Azula could have a fighting chance. She took a chance, and it turned out to be briefly worth it.
    Though I would think attacking a bystander would disqualify her... of course, it wasn't your general Agni Ki, the rules hardly seemed to matter.
    Nonooono, you are COMPLETELY correct. Attacking a bystander WOULD disqualify her. That was the risk. If Katara had been hit, Azula would've immediately been disqualified and Zuko would've won. But, Zuko fell into Azula's trap and tried to rescue Katara, letting Azula win. Azula never touched Katara, therefore she never attacked her.
    Even attempting to attack a bystander seems like cause to be disqualified.

    It's a tricky process. The firebender can always claim that they just missed. Or that they knew that their opponent was going to be there. As we have said, it's not exactly honorable, but it's within the rules, and it got the job done.

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    Watch_them_fall

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Watch_them_fall wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Watch_them_fall wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    You've hit it right on the head, Gilvatar! Good job. Azula took a MAJOR chance. If she had somehow misread Zuko, Azula would've been automatically kicked out. But, in her perspective, it was a lose-lose-win situation. Either she could surrender, because Azula obviously wasn't in any position to fight much more (notice her posture and heavy breathing), she could shoot lightening and Katara and have it hit her (automatically disqualifying Azula), or Zuko would get in the way and Azula could have a fighting chance. She took a chance, and it turned out to be briefly worth it.
    Though I would think attacking a bystander would disqualify her... of course, it wasn't your general Agni Ki, the rules hardly seemed to matter.
    Nonooono, you are COMPLETELY correct. Attacking a bystander WOULD disqualify her. That was the risk. If Katara had been hit, Azula would've immediately been disqualified and Zuko would've won. But, Zuko fell into Azula's trap and tried to rescue Katara, letting Azula win. Azula never touched Katara, therefore she never attacked her.
    Even attempting to attack a bystander seems like cause to be disqualified.

    It's a tricky process. The firebender can always claim that they just missed. Or that they knew that their opponent was going to be there. As we have said, it's not exactly honorable, but it's within the rules, and it got the job done.
    Though you don't know the rules of an Agni Ki (unless Bryke put some out). Really it was more of a battle anyways, and if just beaten but could still do something neither side would've accepted defeat.
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    bodybender

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    But I wonder: did Azula's subsequent attacks on Katara (from the roof no less) after Zuko was knocked out technically continue the Agni Kai?
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    Axrendale

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    bodybender wrote:
    But I wonder: did Azula's subsequent attacks on Katara (from the roof no less) after Zuko was knocked out technically continue the Agni Kai?

    No - the agni Kai was over - Azula won when she knocked Zuko down. It was a dirty (cunning:twisted victory, but the fight was over/ The fight afterwards was just Azula having some fun Only then it turned out to be not so fun...

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    Sektos

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    sektos wrote:
    Im not saying Azula CANT fight; she definitely has great technique and is very powerful, but there is a difference between knowing the theory and the practical. Things dont always work out the way we read and learn it, with information constant being revised and updated as people discover and experience new things. Azula as far as we know had never left the FN before going after Zuko, and (from my understanding, which u can disagree with) learnt everything from masters at home and their experience. My point was that Azula as far as we know has neva fought a Water Bender before Katara and it really shows when she gets her ass handed to her within seconds of fighting Katara in CROD. She, however, learns quickly like ZUko, so that the next time she fights her she fights her she is more prepared, plus had the comet to assist her. But again she fails, partly due to her being unstable (really took away from Zuko fight in my opinion), when fighting Katara and doesnt attempt to escape when frozen by her.
    Azula only loses her fights because, as Axrendale has pointed out on other boards, she likes to savor the moment of things. It doesn't satisfy her to just kill/hurt someone, she has to do it thoroughly. Therefore, in episodes like The Drill when she had Aang within reach, she loses quite a lot. But, up until then, it's an epic win


    If its simply that then u could say Aang only loses because he refuse to kill people. Fact is she loses because that who she is. She didnt lose against Katara because she was savouring, fact was she was unprepared to fight her. Zuko however has experience with waterbenders and fought Katara on a equal footing
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    Sektos

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    Axrendale wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    On a final note - I do believe that Azula's strike was technically within the rules (although I will grant that it was extremely dishonorable). I'm feeling really tired right now - so I'll post it tommorow.

    Good night all.

    PEACE (lol. Irony)
    Really? THough we dont have a rule book for us to browse (DAM lol) i dont think attempting to kill winesses/the audience of said fight as being within the rules. Ang Ki's are all about "honour" and are ussually fought over them. Its a one on one fight as far as we are aware. Its one of the things that i think would have made more sense in the finale if there was more ppl as winesses to the fight (similar to the crowd when Ozai was appointed) and that when they saw Azuala, and learning of the FL's plan from Zuko, attack Katara and Zuko sacrificing himself for her, they would be disgusted at her and consider her too dishonourable to rule

    The entire reason that there were no people there was because Azula had banished tme in a fit of psychotic paranoia. If therehad been people there, then she would presumably have been sane, and on much more equal footing with Zuko. So either way.

    As far as the rules go, I view it as being similar to a game of tennis. If one player hits the ball out, but before it can go out, the other player accidently knocks it back in, the ball stays in play. The fact that it was going out is irrelevant - the other player chose to hit it back in, the game goes on. Likewise, Zuko chose to intercept the lightning bolt, and keep the "game" going. To his detriment.


    I get that she was crazy, again i have prob with this because it took away from the Zuko and Azula fight. By this point it was easily established in Boiling Rock and SOuther raiders that Zuko and Azula were atleast equals, if not Zuko now being better than her (he was kicking her ass in BR). And the thing about witnesses was because, as with previous point, it would have been better and helped explain why the FN followed Zuko's order to stop the war- fact that they didnt all know and didnt agree with the genocide and that Azula (and Ozai with the genocide) were unfit to rule.

    Haha good point with the tennis but this wasnt an off shot, it was clearly aimed at katara and Zuko made the effort to get in the way. Again back to my point with Azula dishonouring herself (with audience etc) and fit with the fact that u dont try to fire the balls at the audience on purpose and with intent to kill lol
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    Axrendale

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    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    On a final note - I do believe that Azula's strike was technically within the rules (although I will grant that it was extremely dishonorable). I'm feeling really tired right now - so I'll post it tommorow.

    Good night all.

    PEACE (lol. Irony)
    Really? THough we dont have a rule book for us to browse (DAM lol) i dont think attempting to kill winesses/the audience of said fight as being within the rules. Ang Ki's are all about "honour" and are ussually fought over them. Its a one on one fight as far as we are aware. Its one of the things that i think would have made more sense in the finale if there was more ppl as winesses to the fight (similar to the crowd when Ozai was appointed) and that when they saw Azuala, and learning of the FL's plan from Zuko, attack Katara and Zuko sacrificing himself for her, they would be disgusted at her and consider her too dishonourable to rule

    The entire reason that there were no people there was because Azula had banished tme in a fit of psychotic paranoia. If therehad been people there, then she would presumably have been sane, and on much more equal footing with Zuko. So either way.

    As far as the rules go, I view it as being similar to a game of tennis. If one player hits the ball out, but before it can go out, the other player accidently knocks it back in, the ball stays in play. The fact that it was going out is irrelevant - the other player chose to hit it back in, the game goes on. Likewise, Zuko chose to intercept the lightning bolt, and keep the "game" going. To his detriment.
    I get that she was crazy, again i have prob with this because it took away from the Zuko and Azula fight. By this point it was easily established in Boiling Rock and SOuther raiders that Zuko and Azula were atleast equals, if not Zuko now being better than her (he was kicking her ass in BR). And the thing about witnesses was because, as with previous point, it would have been better and helped explain why the FN followed Zuko's order to stop the war- fact that they didnt all know and didnt agree with the genocide and that Azula (and Ozai with the genocide) were unfit to rule. Haha good point with the tennis but this wasnt an off shot, it was clearly aimed at katara and Zuko made the effort to get in the way. Again back to my point with Azula dishonouring herself (with audience etc) and fit with the fact that u dont try to fire the balls at the audience on purpose and with intent to kill lol

    I really don't think Zuko was "kicking her ass" in BR. Azula definitely came out on top in that fight - the bedning match was something of a draw, but after Azula saw a way out (as always), the gaang needed Mai to save them. If it hadn't been for her, they all would have been boiled to death.

    If there had been crowds at the corronation, Azula would never even have had to fight the Agni Kai - she would have just done what she did in COD and ordered her enemies dragged off by innumberable guards.

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    Axrendale

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    Sektos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    sektos wrote:
    Im not saying Azula CANT fight; she definitely has great technique and is very powerful, but there is a difference between knowing the theory and the practical. Things dont always work out the way we read and learn it, with information constant being revised and updated as people discover and experience new things. Azula as far as we know had never left the FN before going after Zuko, and (from my understanding, which u can disagree with) learnt everything from masters at home and their experience. My point was that Azula as far as we know has neva fought a Water Bender before Katara and it really shows when she gets her ass handed to her within seconds of fighting Katara in CROD. She, however, learns quickly like ZUko, so that the next time she fights her she fights her she is more prepared, plus had the comet to assist her. But again she fails, partly due to her being unstable (really took away from Zuko fight in my opinion), when fighting Katara and doesnt attempt to escape when frozen by her.
    Azula only loses her fights because, as Axrendale has pointed out on other boards, she likes to savor the moment of things. It doesn't satisfy her to just kill/hurt someone, she has to do it thoroughly. Therefore, in episodes like The Drill when she had Aang within reach, she loses quite a lot. But, up until then, it's an epic win
    If its simply that then u could say Aang only loses because he refuse to kill people. Fact is she loses because that who she is. She didnt lose against Katara because she was savouring, fact was she was unprepared to fight her. Zuko however has experience with waterbenders and fought Katara on a equal footing

    Bleh.. Azula has her moments against Katara:

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    isabelwhatx

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    Sektos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    sektos wrote:
    Im not saying Azula CANT fight; she definitely has great technique and is very powerful, but there is a difference between knowing the theory and the practical. Things dont always work out the way we read and learn it, with information constant being revised and updated as people discover and experience new things. Azula as far as we know had never left the FN before going after Zuko, and (from my understanding, which u can disagree with) learnt everything from masters at home and their experience. My point was that Azula as far as we know has neva fought a Water Bender before Katara and it really shows when she gets her ass handed to her within seconds of fighting Katara in CROD. She, however, learns quickly like ZUko, so that the next time she fights her she fights her she is more prepared, plus had the comet to assist her. But again she fails, partly due to her being unstable (really took away from Zuko fight in my opinion), when fighting Katara and doesnt attempt to escape when frozen by her.
    Azula only loses her fights because, as Axrendale has pointed out on other boards, she likes to savor the moment of things. It doesn't satisfy her to just kill/hurt someone, she has to do it thoroughly. Therefore, in episodes like The Drill when she had Aang within reach, she loses quite a lot. But, up until then, it's an epic win


    If its simply that then u could say Aang only loses because he refuse to kill people. Fact is she loses because that who she is. She didnt lose against Katara because she was savouring, fact was she was unprepared to fight her. Zuko however has experience with waterbenders and fought Katara on a equal footing

    Aang does not lose his battles because he refuses to kill people. There has never been any proof of that. In fact, he won his most important battle by not killing someone. However, Azula DOES want to kill someone, but takes her time doing so. That's a major downfall for her.
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    Very late and most likely repetitive, but I must add my two-cents.

    It. Was. EPIC.

    I laughed, I cried, and I freaked out in those two hours. It was an action-filled, complex, meaningful, and--most importantly--satisfying ending to an amazing series. Mike and Bryan outdid themselves. Period.

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    theredrobin wrote:

    Very late and most likely repetitive, but I must add my two-cents.

    It. Was. EPIC.

    I laughed, I cried, and I freaked out in those two hours. It was an action-filled, complex, meaningful, and--most importantly--satisfying ending to an amazing series. Mike and Bryan outdid themselves. Period.

    You sir, are made of win for making that observation. You have garnered my instant and utter respect for making this statement

    Avatar: the Last Air Bender, truly went out with a baang

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    theredrobin

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    Axrendale wrote:
    theredrobin wrote:

    Very late and most likely repetitive, but I must add my two-cents.

    It. Was. EPIC.

    I laughed, I cried, and I freaked out in those two hours. It was an action-filled, complex, meaningful, and--most importantly--satisfying ending to an amazing series. Mike and Bryan outdid themselves. Period.

    You madam, are made of win for making that observation. You have garnered my instant and utter respect for making this statement

    Avatar: the Last Air Bender, truly went out with a baang
    Fixed. And thank you.
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    theredrobin wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    theredrobin wrote:

    Very late and most likely repetitive, but I must add my two-cents.

    It. Was. EPIC.

    I laughed, I cried, and I freaked out in those two hours. It was an action-filled, complex, meaningful, and--most importantly--satisfying ending to an amazing series. Mike and Bryan outdid themselves. Period.

    You madam, are made of win for making that observation. You have garnered my instant and utter respect for making this statement

    Avatar: the Last Air Bender, truly went out with a baang
    Fixed. And thank you.

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    isabelwhatx

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    theredrobin wrote:

    Very late and most likely repetitive, but I must add my two-cents.

    It. Was. EPIC.

    I laughed, I cried, and I freaked out in those two hours. It was an action-filled, complex, meaningful, and--most importantly--satisfying ending to an amazing series. Mike and Bryan outdid themselves. Period.


    WOOT!
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    Axrendale wrote:
    theredrobin wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    theredrobin wrote:

    Very late and most likely repetitive, but I must add my two-cents.

    It. Was. EPIC.

    I laughed, I cried, and I freaked out in those two hours. It was an action-filled, complex, meaningful, and--most importantly--satisfying ending to an amazing series. Mike and Bryan outdid themselves. Period.

    You madam, are made of win for making that observation. You have garnered my instant and utter respect for making this statement

    Avatar: the Last Air Bender, truly went out with a baang
    Fixed. And thank you.

    EH, everyone gets genders mixed up online. I used to think u were a girl.
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    how do you take screen shots on itunes?? cuz i wanna post some pics of the azula take down by katara in the ice...so ya..help please!
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    avataraang113

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    oh my gosh people!!! how do you take a screenshot on itunes????
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    bl0ndi3girl18

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    avataraang113 wrote:
    oh my gosh people!!! how do you take a screenshot on itunes????

    i gots NOOO clue i don't use Itunes
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