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Official Episode Discussion: The Earth King (Spoilers)

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    Neurosylum

    [61]Nov 14, 2006
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    waterbender22 wrote:

    Okay.?? I jsut read yoru reply.?? And to answer your questions or really respond to what you wrote, in The Chase, Katara is NOT selfish.?? I've dealt wit ha lot of people like Toph, in taht, they don't want to do theri share.?? I've even been on the other side of that fence.?? I can understand what Katara is coimng from.?? She's used to the boys doing thier share without complaint, well Aang is theo ne who mostly never complains.?? And Sokka, well Sokka is Sokka. Anyway, Katara just wanted Toph to do her share, and rightly so.?? Toph is part of the group and she should help out.

    Now for the Waterbending Scroll.?? I don't think Katara was being selfish there.?? She was trying ot become a good waterbender to make her mother proud.?? She really wanted?? to make her mother proud of her. She misses her.?? And she gave the scroll back to Aang at the end. Well, okay, she stole it from Sokka, but that's besides hte point.?? Anyway, now to the Avatar Returns thing.?? Katara was probably frustrated about having to do evertyhing since her mother passed away.?? And Katara was probably venting some anger about the raid on thei rvillage.?? She misses her mother something awful and she needed to vent about it. So she picked hte most likely target, Sokka and his irresponsibility.??

    Lastly, I do know the difference between reality and fantasty.?? But the reason I like Avatar so much is because they have characters that you can identify with and share traits with and learn from.?? And mine happen to be Katara and Toph.?? I share Katara's personality and water is my element.?? And like Toph, I am also visually impaired and very stubborn.

    I don't want ot be your enemy, I want ot be your friend. But I jsut didnt' like the way you talked badly about Katara.?? She is my fave cahracter. Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, but next time, choose your words bit more carefully.?? And as for another thing, Katara has NEVER whined throughout the whole series.?? The only time I've ever heard her complain?? was in Imprisoned.?? Katara:?? Dawn??? Can't we sleep in for once??? ANd she didnt' complain about it afterwards.?? She was fine.
    *sigh* I don't want to know how long you've had those reasons up your sleeve to pull out on a situation like this, but... As I said before, Katara isn't always a perfect/sweet/kind human. Keyword is "always". I don't think you read the part on my original post where I said "most of the time" either.

    You have to remember, *the end does not justify the means*. For example, let's say someone stole a loaf of bread to feed a hungry family. Heroic, thoughtful??- yes, however he is still thought of as a thief.

    In the waterbending scroll episode, Katara was completely hogging that scroll. She got pissed off, even! Oh, and that episode also makes her a thief (yes, yes, they were pirates, but it's still stealing) and a liar.

    Besides, I didn't say she was selfish in the episode The Chase. I said she was anal. ANAL.

    Good - good to hear that you aren't delusioned by television.

    Instead of making this a long post in defending myself (which is pretty troublesome), I'd like to point out that you were not respectful of my opinion. Like you said:

    waterbender22 wrote:
    Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, but next time, choose your words bit more carefully.

    But apparently, you think the only people who are entitled to their opinions are the ones who don't point out the human side of the characters you like. Yes, I still think Katara is whiny/pushy/naggy sometimes, but if it'll make you um not foam at the mouth, here are some synonyms I think you'll like:

    Whiny = Yammery
    Pushy = Presumptuous
    Naggy = Nit-picky

    Oops! You replied faster than I can type.

    waterbender22 wrote:
    Okay.?? I see your point with the Chase.?? But one thing though.?? Katara did tr yand explain to Toph that she needed to help out. She idd rather nicely I might add.?? "So Topoh, usually when setting up camp, we try and divide up the work."?? Toph non plused.?? "Don't worry about me, I'm good to go."?? Katara:?? "Actually, what I'm trying to say is.?? One of us might fetch water, while one of us may set up the fire pit or put up the tent. Even Momo does his fair share."?? Toph:?? "Katara, I'm fine.?? I don't need a fire. I already collected my own food and loo!?? My tent is all set up."?? Katara:?? "Well that's great for you.?? But we still need to-"?? Toph (A little testily):?? I don't understand, what's the probelm here!?? Katara:?? "Never mind."?? Then later on, Katara does apologize to Toph.?? But Toph still doesn't get it.?? So I guess my point is, Katara did try to be nice to her and explain things in a calm relaxed way.?? But Toph didnt' get it.?? And I think taht was from being sheltered for so long and not having to do anything for herself as far as cooking or cleanign up went.?? I'm the same way, but since I have more of Katara in me, I volunteer to help out more and try and learn how to do things.

    Well, see, there ya go. You finally understand what me and a few others have been repeating: Katara isn't always perfect. Plus, you forgot to add the part where Katara blatantly (and nastily) made fun of Toph not able to see the stars.

    Oh! and as to not be off-topic: The tea...it will make Zuko hallucinate. The "spiritual crisis" that he faces is really Iroh's fault for making him drink the tea of the leaves that he mistakenly thought was harmless.

    Edited on 11/14/2006 4:13pm
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    SifuKatara

    [62]Nov 14, 2006
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    FOR THE 2ND TIME!!!! It involves Zuko Alone. I can almost be really sure of it. If i am wrong ill write a blog that talks about what an idiot i am. I promise you, i have heard it is about zuko alone, the spirit crisis is, that is.
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    waterbender22

    [63]Nov 14, 2006
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    Okay. We finally understand each other!?? Yes, i realize that Katara isn't perfect.?? And I was trying to let you see that I Did understand that in my recount of The Chase.?? And the reason I left out Katara's snipe about Toph's blindness is because I honestly forgotten she had evne said it.?? But now that you mention?? it, that was very mean.?? But I honestly thought it was funny when Katara landed on Sokka!?? But Katara was wrong to make fun of Toph's blindness.?? But she does make up for it though in Tales of Bah Sing Sei.?? I really liked how Katara stood up for Toph and helped her feel better after those girls made fun of her.?? I'm glad we finally see eye to eye so to speak.?? I hope we can become friends.?? If you want to IM me on MSN Messenger, my screen name is: Rose-warriorgirl23@hotmail.com?? and the same goes for anyone else who wants to chat with me about Avatar as well.

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    AKAE124Ultima

    [64]Nov 14, 2006
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    waterbender22 wrote:

    Okay. We finally understand each other!?? Yes, i realize that Katara isn't perfect.?? And I was trying to let you see that I Did understand that in my recount of The Chase.?? And the reason I left out Katara's snipe about Toph's blindness is because I honestly forgotten she had evne said it.?? But now that you mention?? it, that was very mean.?? But I honestly thought it was funny when Katara landed on Sokka!?? But Katara was wrong to make fun of Toph's blindness.?? But she does make up for it though in Tales of Bah Sing Sei.?? I really liked how Katara stood up for Toph and helped her feel better after those girls made fun of her.?? I'm glad we finally see eye to eye so to speak.?? I hope we can become friends.?? If you want to IM me on MSN Messenger, my screen name is: Rose-warriorgirl23@hotmail.com?? and the same goes for anyone else who wants to chat with me about Avatar as well.


    Yeah, just to point things out...In "The Chase," Toph only did things for herself to prove that she doesn't need anyone's help, and she's perfectly capable of doing things on her own.
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    cg_619

    [65]Nov 14, 2006
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    AKAE124Ultima??and waterbender22.?? Ya'll sure can talk alot! Can't we stay on topic here.??I'm sorry but??I think i'de have to agree with AKAE124Ultima??here. Because u got to admit katara can be whiny and bossy. But can we end this now. She is not perfect!!!!!!!!!
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    AKAE124Ultima

    [66]Nov 14, 2006
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    cg_619 wrote:
    AKAE124Ultima??and waterbender22.?? Ya'll sure can talk alot! Can't we stay on topic here.??I'm sorry but??I think i'de have to agree with AKAE124Ultima??here. Because u got to admit katara can be whiny and bossy. But can we end this now. She is not perfect!!!!!!!!!


    Right. Onto Tokka.
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    adidaZuko

    [67]Nov 14, 2006
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    Neurosylum wrote:
    The question is how does Zuko get sick anyways? Tea poisoning? Like in Bitter Work where Zuko says something about the tea clearing your mind, on this episode he might O.D. on the tea...

    He's probably sick from emotional stress. He recently gave up trying to catch the avatar, the one thing that made him wake up in the morning, that had to put a lot of stress on him. It'll proobably be like something that happened to Pip at the end of "Great Expectations", when the dude dies and because of everything that happens he just falls ill.

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    PrincessZula

    [68]Nov 14, 2006
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    adidaZuko wrote:

    Neurosylum wrote:
    The question is how does Zuko get sick anyways? Tea poisoning? Like in Bitter Work where Zuko says something about the tea clearing your mind, on this episode he might O.D. on the tea...

    He's probably sick from emotional stress. He recently gave up trying to catch the avatar, the one thing that made him wake up in the morning, that had to put a lot of stress on him. It'll proobably be like something that happened to Pip at the end of "Great Expectations", when the dude dies and because of everything that happens he just falls ill.


    GO* GREAT EXPECTATIONS My sophmore nightmare!!!!!! We spent 5 dam monthes on that book... but you ahve a good point, stress out people (even if they don't complete let on that there stressed) tend to get sick easier.
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    Shard2005

    [69]Nov 14, 2006
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    PrincessZula wrote:
    adidaZuko wrote:

    Neurosylum wrote:
    The question is how does Zuko get sick anyways? Tea poisoning? Like in Bitter Work where Zuko says something about the tea clearing your mind, on this episode he might O.D. on the tea...

    He's probably sick from emotional stress. He recently gave up trying to catch the avatar, the one thing that made him wake up in the morning, that had to put a lot of stress on him. It'll proobably be like something that happened to Pip at the end of "Great Expectations", when the dude dies and because of everything that happens he just falls ill.


    GO* GREAT EXPECTATIONS My sophmore nightmare!!!!!! We spent 5 dam monthes on that book... but you ahve a good point, stress out people (even if they don't complete let on that there stressed) tend to get sick easier.
    I like that book, very classical Charles Dickens. Whether people want to beleive it or not, the body and mind are connected. When one feels anxious or stressed out, you feel it in your body making you weak and sick.
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    Neurosylum

    [70]Nov 14, 2006
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    I kno
    adidaZuko wrote:

    Neurosylum wrote:
    The question is how does Zuko get sick anyways? Tea poisoning? Like in Bitter Work where Zuko says something about the tea clearing your mind, on this episode he might O.D. on the tea...

    He's probably sick from emotional stress. He recently gave up trying to catch the avatar, the one thing that made him wake up in the morning, that had to put a lot of stress on him. It'll proobably be like something that happened to Pip at the end of "Great Expectations", when the dude dies and because of everything that happens he just falls ill.
    Darn that cursed book...if only I had read the last 30 chapters of that novel, I would have passed that test in high school!!

    Nicely and simply put, adidaZuko. It's natural for me to blow obvious plotlines into weird proportions. ^^;;

    waterbender22 wrote:
    Okay. We finally understand each other! Yes, i realize that Katara isn't perfect. And I was trying to let you see that I Did understand that in my recount of The Chase. And the reason I left out Katara's snipe about Toph's blindness is because I honestly forgotten she had evne said it. But now that you mention it, that was very mean. But I honestly thought it was funny when Katara landed on Sokka! But Katara was wrong to make fun of Toph's blindness. But she does make up for it though in Tales of Bah Sing Sei. I really liked how Katara stood up for Toph and helped her feel better after those girls made fun of her. I'm glad we finally see eye to eye so to speak. I hope we can become friends. If you want to IM me on MSN Messenger, my screen name is: Rose-warriorgirl23@hotmail.com and the same goes for anyone else who wants to chat with me about Avatar as well.
    *Whew* Glad that's all water under the bridge (laugh, mortals! I made a funny!!). Sadly, I don't use MSN messenger, so I guess I'll see ya around the boards.

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    cdripper

    [71]Nov 15, 2006
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    According to the Wiki entry on "The Earth King", the guest voices include Azula, Xin Fu, a new Earth Kingdom General and Ursa... Hmm... interesting stuff. Xin Fu and Master Yu may make another bid for Toph here, while Ursa probably will appear in Zuko's dreams...
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    nukm

    [72]Nov 15, 2006
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    OMG AANG HURRY UP AND GO THROUGH PUBERTY!!!! lol..sorry
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    AppaFan1000

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    I am thinking Zuko's spiritual crisis has to do with him dealing with his inner demons.??He could become real sick due to the fact he is fighting his demons within his mind (which seems real to him btw) in order to move forward down the correct path for him. He has been diluted all this time into thinking capturing the Avatar would solve his problems which it won't. Even if he did, he would return to his father and turn Aang over only to find out his father would still banish him or worse. He understands to a point now that isn't his destiny so what is? I think he will start looking at the whole picture like Iroh does. Ought to be interesting.

    The Earth King is more than likely some kind of puppet (brainwashed or not) or more like a public figure which the Dai Lee pulling the real strings. This should be interesting to see the outcome. Looking forward to it.

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    AirNomad

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    I think that with these weird visons/dreams he is having he might end up going into the spirit world liike Iroh, but in search of his mother.?? that is if she is dead

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    cg_619

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    cdripper wrote:
    According to the Wiki entry on "The Earth King", the guest voices include Azula, Xin Fu, a new Earth Kingdom General and Ursa... Hmm... interesting stuff. Xin Fu and Master Yu may make another bid for Toph here, while Ursa probably will appear in Zuko's dreams...

    YEs its about time xin fu and master yu come up agian! And ursa? that should be interesting. And Azula prolly is planning an attach on Ba Sing Se for the season finale
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    AKAE124Ultima

    [76]Nov 15, 2006
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    Five bucks Zuko has a nightmare about The Blue Spirit killing Iroh and Ursa, and Zuko fights him, but when he kills the Blue Spirit, he takes off the mask and sees himself (ala Star Wars), meaning that he and his actions are killing Iroh and Ursa.

    P.S. Ursa is alive, if anyone doubted it. There was an interview with the Avatar creators who said that they wanted to do more with Ursa.

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    PrincessZula

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    AKAE124Ultima wrote:

    Five bucks Zuko has a nightmare about The Blue Spirit killing Iroh and Ursa, and Zuko fights him, but when he kills the Blue Spirit, he takes off the mask and sees himself (ala Star Wars), meaning that he and his actions are killing Iroh and Ursa.

    P.S. Ursa is alive, if anyone doubted it. There was an interview with the Avatar creators who said that they wanted to do more with Ursa.


    YEAH FOR THE STAR WARS COMPARISON *squeezes AKAE124Ultima*
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    masterofaeons

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    It's pretty obvious that Zuko's illness causes astral projection and he goes to the Spirit World. There he'll meet his mother and find more closure on some scars. That's pretty simple to deduce from what we already know.
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    SifuKatara

    [79]Nov 15, 2006
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    AKAE124Ultima wrote:

    Five bucks Zuko has a nightmare about The Blue Spirit killing Iroh and Ursa, and Zuko fights him, but when he kills the Blue Spirit, he takes off the mask and sees himself (ala Star Wars), meaning that he and his actions are killing Iroh and Ursa.

    P.S. Ursa is alive, if anyone doubted it. There was an interview with the Avatar creators who said that they wanted to do more with Ursa.


    *loses mind* FOR THE LAST TIME THE DREAMS ARE A FOLLOW UP ON ZUKO ALONE!!!

    Oh, and i saw the new footage. It was good, but one line got on my nerves, "lets fly." THAT IS A TERRIBLE LINE! What's next are they gonna say, "you're toast!" Or something else trying too hard. Anyway, this should be a great epi
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    masterofaeons

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    "Dodge this." ???
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