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Sokka ship?

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    speechless8582

    [3961]Jul 21, 2008
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    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.
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    Spacerac

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    PDKT wrote:
    As I mentioned, by at least acknowledging the presence of something between Katara and Zuko, at least then fans would know the possibility had existed.
    They did acknowledge the presence of nothing.
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    PDKT

    [3963]Jul 21, 2008
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    Zuko may accept her for now, but personality traits like that have a way of eating away at one's patience. And a couple of " I love you's" and a heroic save does not mean she is not overall a very dark-minded person.
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    suss2it

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.
    Also, back in the olden day kids matured a lot faster than they do now.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    suss2it wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    I simply meant that I would like the show to have had Zuko manifest feelings for Katara, then lose her, as her actually ending up with him would be too much to hope for. Katara and Aang ending up together was probably inevitable, but had the writers handled it better it would have been more easily accepted by this Zutara supporter.
    You're treating Avatar as some sort of romance show, but it wasn't. The fact that it isn't a romance show proves that they wouldn't waste time for Zuko & Katara to get together and break up, while a world war is going on. And besides there wasn't enough time to fit that soap opera storyline in anyway.

    As much as i love zutara, that's actually a very good point. =[

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    LondonParisNYC

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    suss2it wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.
    Also, back in the olden day kids matured a lot faster than they do now.

    kids are friggen dumb now-a-days lol

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    suss2it wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.
    Also, back in the olden day kids matured a lot faster than they do now.

    kids are friggen dumb now-a-days lol

    ...blame the sponge...
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    PDKT

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    There were moments, though not many, had the writers decided to elaborate and expand upon, then any feelings expressed by Zuko or Katara for the other, or at least the recognition of Zuko and Katara that feelings exist, if only admitting to themselves, would have the made the ending more Zutara friendly...as friendly as it can get with the inevitable pairing of Katara and Aang.
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    suss2it

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    PDKT wrote:
    There were moments, though not many, had the writers decided to elaborate and expand upon, then any feelings expressed by Zuko or Katara for the other, or at least the recognition of Zuko and Katara that feelings exist, if only admitting to themselves, would have the made the ending more Zutara friendly...as friendly as it can get with the inevitable pairing of Katara and Aang.
    What would be the point in that?
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.


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    Like I said that in the show I can see that katara made sacrifice...for Aang beacuse the creator did this belows..

    a) no progressing relationship between Aang and katara up to final season.

    b) make progressing relationship between zuko and katara.

    so why...creator do not do the otherway...
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    PDKT wrote:
    There were moments, though not many, had the writers decided to elaborate and expand upon, then any feelings expressed by Zuko or Katara for the other, or at least the recognition of Zuko and Katara that feelings exist, if only admitting to themselves, would have the made the ending more Zutara friendly...as friendly as it can get with the inevitable pairing of Katara and Aang.
    but that isn't the point of the show. It wouldnt fit anywhere. They did recognice it in EIP, and as a joke because it was NEVER meant to happen.
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    PDKT

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    The point, I would like to think, would be admitting that all of the moments where one could read feelings out of Katara and Zuko's actions and words, as they were laid out by the writers, could lead one to think that maybe, just maybe, it could happen.
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    suss2it

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    Chairunisa wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.


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    Like I said that in the show I can see that katara made sacrifice...for Aang beacuse the creator did this belows..

    a) no progressing relationship between Aang and katara up to final season.

    b) make progressing relationship between zuko and katara.

    so why...creator do not do the otherway...
    Clearly we haven't been watching the same show. No progress between Katara & Aang? If you want to support your arguments I advise that you go and re-watch the entire show again, and see if there is no progression between Aang & Katara.

    Zuko & Katara only really interacted on a friendly note, starting from the end of TSR to the finale.
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    Chairunisa wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.


    ===============

    Like I said that in the show I can see that katara made sacrifice...for Aang beacuse the creator did this belows..

    a) no progressing relationship between Aang and katara up to final season.

    b) make progressing relationship between zuko and katara.

    So are you saying Kataang didnt develop until the third season? Umm...."The Fortune Teller"..."The Cave of Two Lovers" ring a bell?
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    suss2it

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    PDKT wrote:
    The point, I would like to think, would be admitting that all of the moments where one could read feelings out of Katara and Zuko's actions and words, as they were laid out by the writers, could lead one to think that maybe, just maybe, it could happen.
    That's like saying, if the writers could only recognize what' laid out in front of them, Zukaang could maybe, just maybe happen.

    Kataang was planned from the start. The creators even said that, the romantic couple was planned from the beginning, so no, Zutara could have never have happened.

    Zutara = Crack ship
    Zukaang = Crack ship
    Zutara = Zukaang.
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    suss2it wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    The point, I would like to think, would be admitting that all of the moments where one could read feelings out of Katara and Zuko's actions and words, as they were laid out by the writers, could lead one to think that maybe, just maybe, it could happen.
    That's like saying, if the writers could only recognize what' laid out in front of them, Zukaang could maybe, just maybe happen. Kataang was planned from the start. The creators even said that, the romantic couple was planned from the beginning, so no, Zutara could have never have happened. Zutara = Crack ship Zukaang = Crack ship Zutara = Zukaang.

    idk, the writer's put in although sorta ironic jabs a zutara relationship through the series, in case maybe they decided to change there minds maybe. Hahaha wishful thinking for zutarians xD

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    PDKT

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    I acknowledge that, but what I am saying is that if people think Zutara fans are operating under delusions and are making up moments where there are none, then I take issue with that. If I end up defending Zutara fans from people who think they are idiots, then I welcome such a role.
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    PDKT wrote:
    I acknowledge that, but what I am saying is that if people think Zutara fans are operating under delusions and are making up moments where there are none, then I take issue with that. If I end up defending Zutara fans from people who think they are idiots, then I welcome such a role.
    but they are delusions. Bryke never ever intended any shape or form of a Zutara romance.
    Edited on 07/21/2008 10:13pm
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    suss2it

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    PDKT wrote:
    I acknowledge that, but what I am saying is that if people think Zutara fans are operating under delusions and are making up moments where there are none, then I take issue with that. If I end up defending Zutara fans from people who think they are idiots, then I welcome such a role.
    But they do make up stuff. Take for example the 1st "Zutara" evidence. Zuko had Katara kidnapped and tried to bribe her for her mother's necklace to snitch on her friends. I don't see where they get love out of that.
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    suss2it

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    I acknowledge that, but what I am saying is that if people think Zutara fans are operating under delusions and are making up moments where there are none, then I take issue with that. If I end up defending Zutara fans from people who think they are idiots, then I welcome such a role.
    but they are delusions. Bryke never ever intended any shape or form of Zutara.
    That's not true, they intended for them to be friends. Oh and 1 more post and you'll have 2000.
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