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    Chairunisa

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    speechless8582 wrote:
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    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.


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    Like I said that in the show I can see that katara made sacrifice...for Aang beacuse the creator did this belows..

    a) no progressing relationship between Aang and katara up to final season.

    b) make progressing relationship between zuko and katara.

    So are you saying Kataang didnt develop until the third season? Umm...."The Fortune Teller"..."The Cave of Two Lovers" ring a bell?


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    In the Fortune teller...clearly there is only one side...Aang love katara but katara clearly not considering Aang is one of candidate for her romantic life cos she wants the Tall and handsome one... and also same with cave of two lover...
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    PDKT

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    I certainly would not use that moment in a defense of Zutara.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    I acknowledge that, but what I am saying is that if people think Zutara fans are operating under delusions and are making up moments where there are none, then I take issue with that. If I end up defending Zutara fans from people who think they are idiots, then I welcome such a role.
    but they are delusions. Bryke never ever intended any shape or form of Zutara.

    Oh writer's change there mind's all the time. Nothing is ever set in stone. Think how much movies change from their original screenplay or novels from their first outline to the final product.

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    Chairunisa wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Chairunisa wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    Perhaps not naive in select matters, but certainly in love. Anyone that thinks if Katara and Zuko had ended up together that Aang would have been crushed for the rest of his life needs to keep one thing in mind...HE IS 12 YEARS OLD!!
    but in this show, everyone matures alot faster than in real life. Would you actually expect a twelve year old to do anything more than go to school in real life? No, but the Avatar-verse isn't the same. Aang's emotions and feelings for Katara run deeper than the average twleve year old. Are you telling me Aang would just get over it and move on? He said in NaDD that he was doing everything he was (saving the world, training hard etc) for her. Yes, it was a day dream, but a truth no doubt. Feelings like that wouldn't just disappear if Katara was with Zuko, no matter the age.


    ===============

    Like I said that in the show I can see that katara made sacrifice...for Aang beacuse the creator did this belows..

    a) no progressing relationship between Aang and katara up to final season.

    b) make progressing relationship between zuko and katara.

    So are you saying Kataang didnt develop until the third season? Umm...."The Fortune Teller"..."The Cave of Two Lovers" ring a bell?


    =========

    In the Fortune teller...clearly there is only one side...Aang love katara but katara clearly not considering Aang is one of candidate for her romantic life cos she wants the Tall and handsome one... and also same with cave of two lover...
    When Sokka said "I never realized what a powerful bender Aang is" Katara gave Aang a long gaze of interest.

    In Cave of Two Lovers, who's idea was it for them to kiss?
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    suss2it

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    speechless8582 wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    I acknowledge that, but what I am saying is that if people think Zutara fans are operating under delusions and are making up moments where there are none, then I take issue with that. If I end up defending Zutara fans from people who think they are idiots, then I welcome such a role.
    but they are delusions. Bryke never ever intended any shape or form of Zutara.

    Oh writer's change there mind's all the time. Nothing is ever set in stone. Think how much movies change from their original screenplay or novels from their first outline to the final product.

    Now this is true, Toph was originally suppose to be a guy, and Iroh was suppose to be more serious. But all those were changed before the characters were introduced, once Bryke had the definite story, nothing major changed from what they originally planned. You can tell, because in the finale Kataang happened, wait a sec, I'll show you an interview with Bryke that denounces Zutara.
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    pwned.

    post 2,000!
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    It may never have been the intention of the writers to make Zuko and Katara a couple, but if people like the coupling, and infer such a possibility, however slim, from what the writers write, how is their couple ANY less valid than one which evidence tends to support more? The end is known only by the writers till it airs, or is leaked, dismissing Zutara fans as idiots is insensitive at best, and downright pitying at the worst.
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    lol. "Come on kids, Zutara would never have lasted"
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    You wanna hear my pretty logical defense for Zutara? I base it completly on simple human behavior anylasis (or not that simple). When you create a character, that character is made up of many different facets. And because they are human, they sometimes deviate. Katara lost her family at a young age and was exposed to so much war and death which caused her to mature beyond her years and take a maternal role in the show. Zuko, also exposed to the war and family dysfunction was forced to become self reliant. Katara, although sweet and caring, while Zuko selfish turned selfless, are oppisites yet one of the same. (besides the fact that oppisted attract). Katara, with all the pressure being thrown upon her broke down and became revenge thirsty while Zuko gained responisbility and became the sort of the leader of the the little avatar group (role reversal) REALISTICALLY SPEAKING (and for the sake of good writing) Katara should have stayed a much more darker, vigil-anti character, because she can keep true to her morales while all in the same devolving into the character she should really be. (and i'm not using devolving in the negative sense). Because the two have so much and so little in common, that weird sort of chemistry (mostly lust I guess) should have surfaced. And although I don't think they would make a good couple, they would make a good hook-up.

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    PDKT wrote:
    It may never have been the intention of the writers to make Zuko and Katara a couple, but if people like the coupling, and infer such a possibility, however slim, from what the writers write, how is their couple ANY less valid than one which evidence tends to support more? The end is known only by the writers till it airs, or is leaked, dismissing Zutara fans as idiots is insensitive at best, and downright pitying at the worst.
    I never once said that Zutarians are idiots, in fact I give praise to their plot twisting techniques. So I support Zukaang does that make it valid to the canon? No it does not. It's OK to be a fanon Zutarian, but you can't say that's there's evidence, when the creators themselves dismiss it.
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    PDKT wrote:
    It may never have been the intention of the writers to make Zuko and Katara a couple, but if people like the coupling, and infer such a possibility, however slim, from what the writers write, how is their couple ANY less valid than one which evidence tends to support more? The end is known only by the writers till it airs, or is leaked, dismissing Zutara fans as idiots is insensitive at best, and downright pitying at the worst.


    And if I told you Momo and Sokka were going to end up a couple do I also get to be a valid ship? I have evidence I can twist to back it up, so Mosokka is just as good as Zutara?
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    Spike815 wrote:
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    lol. "Come on kids, Zutara would never have lasted"

    that's exactly what i'm saying. I'm a zutara fan but not to the max. I'm more of a "wow they should probably like have an affair or hookup or something because it would be dark, and good drama." but it's a kids show, and god forbid that kids learn that not every relationship is freaking roses and chocalate, holding hands while walking over the pier, and kissing in the sunset. Sometimes it's drunken hookup's in a smoky basement with your ex-boyfriends bandmate. Shhhhh

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    suss2it wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    It may never have been the intention of the writers to make Zuko and Katara a couple, but if people like the coupling, and infer such a possibility, however slim, from what the writers write, how is their couple ANY less valid than one which evidence tends to support more? The end is known only by the writers till it airs, or is leaked, dismissing Zutara fans as idiots is insensitive at best, and downright pitying at the worst.
    I never once said that Zutarians are idiots, in fact I give praise to their plot twisting techniques. So I support Zukaang does that make it valid to the canon? No it does not. It's OK to be a fanon Zutarian, but you can't say that's there's evidence, when the creators themselves dismiss it.

    hey the writer's did say themselves that it would "dark and intruiging" maybe they just kinda strung along the idea that it COULD happen.

    GOD FALSE HOPE!! =[

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Spike815 wrote:
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    lol. "Come on kids, Zutara would never have lasted"

    that's exactly what i'm saying. I'm a zutara fan but not to the max. I'm more of a "wow they should probably like have an affair or hookup or something because it would be dark, and good drama." but it's a kids show, and god forbid that kids learn that not every relationship is freaking roses and chocalate, holding hands while walking over the pier, and kissing in the sunset. Sometimes it's drunken hookup's in a smoky basement with your ex-boyfriends bandmate. Shhhhh

    O.o
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Spike815 wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
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    lol. "Come on kids, Zutara would never have lasted"

    that's exactly what i'm saying. I'm a zutara fan but not to the max. I'm more of a "wow they should probably like have an affair or hookup or something because it would be dark, and good drama." but it's a kids show, and god forbid that kids learn that not every relationship is freaking roses and chocalate, holding hands while walking over the pier, and kissing in the sunset. Sometimes it's drunken hookup's in a smoky basement with your ex-boyfriends bandmate. Shhhhh



    But Avatar's not a romance. Yes that probably would make good TV, people love drama, but that's not the story Avatar is telling.
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    suss2it wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    It may never have been the intention of the writers to make Zuko and Katara a couple, but if people like the coupling, and infer such a possibility, however slim, from what the writers write, how is their couple ANY less valid than one which evidence tends to support more? The end is known only by the writers till it airs, or is leaked, dismissing Zutara fans as idiots is insensitive at best, and downright pitying at the worst.
    I never once said that Zutarians are idiots, in fact I give praise to their plot twisting techniques. So I support Zukaang does that make it valid to the canon? No it does not. It's OK to be a fanon Zutarian, but you can't say that's there's evidence, when the creators themselves dismiss it.

    hey the writer's did say themselves that it would "dark and intruiging" maybe they just kinda strung along the idea that it COULD happen.

    GOD FALSE HOPE!! =[

    I just don't see how you can say there is hope at all. Since it's over and Kataang prevailed.
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    Spike815 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Spike815 wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
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    lol. "Come on kids, Zutara would never have lasted"

    that's exactly what i'm saying. I'm a zutara fan but not to the max. I'm more of a "wow they should probably like have an affair or hookup or something because it would be dark, and good drama." but it's a kids show, and god forbid that kids learn that not every relationship is freaking roses and chocalate, holding hands while walking over the pier, and kissing in the sunset. Sometimes it's drunken hookup's in a smoky basement with your ex-boyfriends bandmate. Shhhhh

    But Avatar's not a romance. Yes that probably would make good TV, people love drama, but that's not the story Avatar is telling.

    I know, but i'd be good if it was like on another channel or something

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    By "pitying" I meant at the worst people who dismiss Zutara fans need to be pitied, not saying anyone specifically is, just clarifying my point. And Momo and Appa? I would LOVE to hear the defense of that relationship! Ahh, it feels good to chuckle a bit after such serious discussions.
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    suss2it wrote:
    PDKT wrote:
    It may never have been the intention of the writers to make Zuko and Katara a couple, but if people like the coupling, and infer such a possibility, however slim, from what the writers write, how is their couple ANY less valid than one which evidence tends to support more? The end is known only by the writers till it airs, or is leaked, dismissing Zutara fans as idiots is insensitive at best, and downright pitying at the worst.
    I never once said that Zutarians are idiots, in fact I give praise to their plot twisting techniques. So I support Zukaang does that make it valid to the canon? No it does not. It's OK to be a fanon Zutarian, but you can't say that's there's evidence, when the creators themselves dismiss it.

    hey the writer's did say themselves that it would "dark and intruiging" maybe they just kinda strung along the idea that it COULD happen.

    GOD FALSE HOPE!! =[

    I just don't see how you can say there is hope at all. Since it's over and Kataang prevailed.

    i'm saying there WAS.

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