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Sektos

[3901]Jul 21, 2008

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Chairunisa wrote:

Yap, I agree with you Sektos, even people said that avatar isn't a romance story but the shipping become big a part of Avatar story. It's kind of part which made avatar story become a life. I like the progress of relationship between Sokka and Suki which starting from the Kyoshi than the SP tha go on..and on.. so sweet..

but for Aang and Katara from the Season 1 eps Fortune teller up to season 3 TEP Katara still made statement there is no romantic feeling for Aang. I like Aang with Katara cos I am kataanger but so ill feel about how the progress relationship between Aang and Katara. It's not wise...that all.

Also same with Zuko and Mai, I love to see how Zuko make himself clearly in love with Mai not just so jump up with the Hug and kiss in the short moment...

Ah Aang could have a romantic future, like Spacrac said it doesnt show everything, BUT it was a good point especially when coupled with the Guru. But i saw it as a lead to Aang possible redefining his love; from love of HAVINg katara, needing her to being a love of who she is and wanting her to be happy thus removing his earthly attavhment (more detail in blog)

I always liked kataang, thou perfered Zutara, but felt it had not been developed properly at all from Katara's side. I saw Kiss of DOBS and what i predicted in Ember to be steping stones to my prediction of Finale (which is partially true, the rest of it not being shown on screen). It would ahve made up for the other two Seasons and had made a point to her character developement as a whole over the series. Alas, instead of this focus on Katara they have her steal Zuko's thunder (Awesomly, i did love finalle, but its one of the things that ate at me afterwards)

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Chairunisa
[3902]Jul 21, 2008
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yeahhh right, I agree with you Londongparis....in that case why should make an ending with the kiss between Aang and katara....cos in my culture.. kissing on the lips is mean a lot for relationship (you can not just share a lips kiss with anybody) and it's feel ok with Mai and Zuko cos they are already in relationship before even thought it's annoying enough to have zuko with his comments toward Mai..."how Mai out of Jail"..duhhh
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LondonParisNYC
[3903]Jul 21, 2008
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Anyone else think that Katara's character is litte off? Remember when she was hungry for revenge and in a sense "devolved?" I think it would have made alot of sense (or been a great twist) if she had stayed this sort of dark vigil-anti character. Considering her, having so much pressure, exposure to war and death at such a young age, her breakdown should have been more extreme? What does this have to do with relationships? They decided to make Katara's character very maternal, and Aang's character very pure and child-like which to me makes it seem like a mother-son relationship (which completly freaks me out.)
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Sektos

[3904]Jul 21, 2008

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LondonParisNYC wrote:

Anyone else think that Katara's character is litte off? Remember when she was hungry for revenge and in a sense "devolved?" I think it would have made alot of sense (or been a great twist) if she had stayed this sort of dark vigil-anti character. Considering her, having so much pressure, exposure to war and death at such a young age, her breakdown should have been more extreme? What does this have to do with relationships? They decided to make Katara's character very maternal, and Aang's character very pure and child-like which to me makes it seem like a mother-son relationship (which completly freaks me out.)

Probably because they didnt want us Zutarians going crazy, but i felt they missed the point with Zuko in this ep (thou still good) HE HAD done all of this before; the drive for something being so over whelming, the need to make up for his "mistakes". HE not Aang should have been the one to talk Katara out of it, and Up till Katara let him go i thought he was about to any second. Katara is motherly, but she has a real temper and anger that she hides from all the pain and lose she has seen and felt. We've only seen bursts of this such as in CROD and in WAT.

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Chairunisa
[3905]Jul 21, 2008
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If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually.

Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...)

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..
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Spacerac
[3906]Jul 21, 2008
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Chairunisa wrote:

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..
More like silly of you for not appreciating the epic direction the story took. Heroes don't get the girl all the time, and plus at this point Zutara would have been out of NOWHERE.
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Spike815

[3907]Jul 21, 2008

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Chairunisa wrote:

If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually.

Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...)

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

Lol you make it sound like they actually broke up Zuko and Katara to give her to Aang. You are aware of that girl Zuko was hangning out with all season, Mai? The girl that betrayed her country for Zuko?

And did Zuko or Katara ever give any, any hints of liking eachother? NO. Until TSR they hated eachother. But you think making up a relationship for them in 2 episodes would be better? Kataang has 3 more seasons of development than Zutara, you wanting them to end up together doesn't match your arguement.

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LondonParisNYC

[3908]Jul 21, 2008

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Sektos wrote:

LondonParisNYC wrote:

Anyone else think that Katara's character is litte off? Remember when she was hungry for revenge and in a sense "devolved?" I think it would have made alot of sense (or been a great twist) if she had stayed this sort of dark vigil-anti character. Considering her, having so much pressure, exposure to war and death at such a young age, her breakdown should have been more extreme? What does this have to do with relationships? They decided to make Katara's character very maternal, and Aang's character very pure and child-like which to me makes it seem like a mother-son relationship (which completly freaks me out.)

Probably because they didnt want us Zutarians going crazy, but i felt they missed the point with Zuko in this ep (thou still good) HE HAD done all of this before; the drive for something being so over whelming, the need to make up for his "mistakes". HE not Aang should have been the one to talk Katara out of it, and Up till Katara let him go i thought he was about to any second. Katara is motherly, but she has a real temper and anger that she hides from all the pain and lose she has seen and felt. We've only seen bursts of this such as in CROD and in WAT.

God I know. I think in the end, a Zutara relationship would have been too dark for a kids show (not in my opinion, but most likely the writer's.)

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LondonParisNYC

[3909]Jul 21, 2008

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Spacerac wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

More like silly of you for not appreciating the epic direction the story took. Heroes don't get the girl all the time, and plus at this point Zutara would have been out of NOWHERE.

Not nessaceraly. Yes it would have been out of no where because the writer's messed up Katara's profile COMPLETLY. Because it's a kid's show, and she's not allowed to have a phycological breakdown, but for someone who was exposed to that much war, death, and pressure at a young age, she should have become this dark, more drawn back character eventually. And Zuko could relate to that mos'def. IT'S SIMPLE PROFILING PEOPLES =]

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Chairunisa

[3910]Jul 21, 2008

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Sektos wrote:

LondonParisNYC wrote:

Anyone else think that Katara's character is litte off? Remember when she was hungry for revenge and in a sense "devolved?" I think it would have made alot of sense (or been a great twist) if she had stayed this sort of dark vigil-anti character. Considering her, having so much pressure, exposure to war and death at such a young age, her breakdown should have been more extreme? What does this have to do with relationships? They decided to make Katara's character very maternal, and Aang's character very pure and child-like which to me makes it seem like a mother-son relationship (which completly freaks me out.)

Probably because they didnt want us Zutarians going crazy, but i felt they missed the point with Zuko in this ep (thou still good) HE HAD done all of this before; the drive for something being so over whelming, the need to make up for his "mistakes". HE not Aang should have been the one to talk Katara out of it, and Up till Katara let him go i thought he was about to any second. Katara is motherly, but she has a real temper and anger that she hides from all the pain and lose she has seen and felt. We've only seen bursts of this such as in CROD and in WAT.

---------

I really salute to creators that they made a very good characters. Each character very unique, color full and rich..

Ex. Sokka : silly but genius Katara: Montherly but temper Toph : Strong but insecure Aang : naive but selfish Zuko : Rude but carring

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suss2it

[3911]Jul 21, 2008

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LondonParisNYC wrote:

Spacerac wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

More like silly of you for not appreciating the epic direction the story took. Heroes don't get the girl all the time, and plus at this point Zutara would have been out of NOWHERE.

Not nessaceraly. Yes it would have been out of no where because the writer's messed up Katara's profile COMPLETLY. Because it's a kid's show, and she's not allowed to have a phycological breakdown, but for someone who was exposed to that much war, death, and pressure at a young age, she should have become this dark, more drawn back character eventually. And Zuko could relate to that mos'def. IT'S SIMPLE PROFILING PEOPLES =]

It's also a fact that if two people are dark and have things in common they'll automatically want to make love to each other.

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suss2it

[3912]Jul 21, 2008

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Chairunisa wrote:

Sektos wrote:

LondonParisNYC wrote:

Anyone else think that Katara's character is litte off? Remember when she was hungry for revenge and in a sense "devolved?" I think it would have made alot of sense (or been a great twist) if she had stayed this sort of dark vigil-anti character. Considering her, having so much pressure, exposure to war and death at such a young age, her breakdown should have been more extreme? What does this have to do with relationships? They decided to make Katara's character very maternal, and Aang's character very pure and child-like which to me makes it seem like a mother-son relationship (which completly freaks me out.)

Probably because they didnt want us Zutarians going crazy, but i felt they missed the point with Zuko in this ep (thou still good) HE HAD done all of this before; the drive for something being so over whelming, the need to make up for his "mistakes". HE not Aang should have been the one to talk Katara out of it, and Up till Katara let him go i thought he was about to any second. Katara is motherly, but she has a real temper and anger that she hides from all the pain and lose she has seen and felt. We've only seen bursts of this such as in CROD and in WAT.

---------

I really salute to creators that they made a very good characters. Each character very unique, color full and rich..

Ex. Sokka : silly but genius Katara: Montherly but temper Toph : Strong but insecure Aang : naive but selfish Zuko : Rude but carring

Naive but selfish? There you go contradicting yourself again.

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Spike815

[3913]Jul 21, 2008

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LondonParisNYC wrote:

Spacerac wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

More like silly of you for not appreciating the epic direction the story took. Heroes don't get the girl all the time, and plus at this point Zutara would have been out of NOWHERE.

Not nessaceraly. Yes it would have been out of no where because the writer's messed up Katara's profile COMPLETLY. Because it's a kid's show, and she's not allowed to have a phycological breakdown, but for someone who was exposed to that much war, death, and pressure at a young age, she should have become this dark, more drawn back character eventually. And Zuko could relate to that mos'def. IT'S SIMPLE PROFILING PEOPLES =]

So your saying Katara should have had a mental breakdown and hooked up with Zuko?

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LondonParisNYC

[3914]Jul 21, 2008

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Chairunisa wrote:

Sektos wrote:

LondonParisNYC wrote:

Anyone else think that Katara's character is litte off? Remember when she was hungry for revenge and in a sense "devolved?" I think it would have made alot of sense (or been a great twist) if she had stayed this sort of dark vigil-anti character. Considering her, having so much pressure, exposure to war and death at such a young age, her breakdown should have been more extreme? What does this have to do with relationships? They decided to make Katara's character very maternal, and Aang's character very pure and child-like which to me makes it seem like a mother-son relationship (which completly freaks me out.)

Probably because they didnt want us Zutarians going crazy, but i felt they missed the point with Zuko in this ep (thou still good) HE HAD done all of this before; the drive for something being so over whelming, the need to make up for his "mistakes". HE not Aang should have been the one to talk Katara out of it, and Up till Katara let him go i thought he was about to any second. Katara is motherly, but she has a real temper and anger that she hides from all the pain and lose she has seen and felt. We've only seen bursts of this such as in CROD and in WAT.

--------- I really salute to creators that they made a very good characters. Each character very unique, color full and rich.. Ex. Sokka : silly but genius Katara: Montherly but temper Toph : Strong but insecure Aang : naive but selfish Zuko : Rude but carring

yeah but Katara, should be darker.

And consdidering that Zuko is such a good character with a really good character profile, the writer's really shouldn't have given him the lamest, most cliche dialogue. And don't get me wrong he's my favorite character, but sometimes his dialogue sounded like it was written by a 7th grader in a creative writing class.

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LondonParisNYC

[3915]Jul 21, 2008

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Spike815 wrote:

LondonParisNYC wrote:

Spacerac wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

More like silly of you for not appreciating the epic direction the story took. Heroes don't get the girl all the time, and plus at this point Zutara would have been out of NOWHERE.

Not nessaceraly. Yes it would have been out of no where because the writer's messed up Katara's profile COMPLETLY. Because it's a kid's show, and she's not allowed to have a phycological breakdown, but for someone who was exposed to that much war, death, and pressure at a young age, she should have become this dark, more drawn back character eventually. And Zuko could relate to that mos'def. IT'S SIMPLE PROFILING PEOPLES =]

So your saying Katara should have had a mental breakdown and hooked up with Zuko?

Basically. It would have been great dramam and pretty realistic because someone in her position should reach out with SOME sort of desperation. I mean she can't be ALWAYS on form.

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Sektos

[3916]Jul 21, 2008

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Chairunisa wrote:

If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually.

Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...)

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

It is more, otherwise why would we have endured this long for it

I too felt prehaps the best way was to HINT, strongly thou, at relationships with some of the characters. But then it would have driven us Crazy haha

Aang and Katara did get together in a very beautiful and great ending (i loved that music), despite my grievances afterwards. And i still think they might have pulled Zutara off (though i knew they wouldnt) Spacrac if they'd done Zuko jsutice in Southern Raiders, and even with the small scenes in Ember and Finale. THey wouldnt have been together, but would have been strongly hinted

ONE question guys, maybe my copy missed it, BUT where was the scene of Zuko and Katar fighting/practices together against EB??????

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Spike815

[3917]Jul 21, 2008

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Sektos wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually.

Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...)

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

It is more, otherwise why would we have endured this long for it

I too felt prehaps the best way was to HINT, strongly thou, at relationships with some of the characters. But then it would have driven us Crazy haha

Aang and Katara did get together in a very beautiful and great ending (i loved that music), despite my grievances afterwards. And i still think they might have pulled Zutara off (though i knew they wouldnt) Spacrac if they'd done Zuko jsutice in Southern Raiders, and even with the small scenes in Ember and Finale. THey wouldnt have been together, but would have been strongly hinted

ONE question guys, maybe my copy missed it, BUT where was the scene of Zuko and Katar fighting/practices together against EB??????

That was when they were fighting The Melon Lord. When Toph made those training dummies to stop them.

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LondonParisNYC

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Sektos wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually. Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...) Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

It is more, otherwise why would we have endured this long for it

I too felt prehaps the best way was to HINT, strongly thou, at relationships with some of the characters. But then it would have driven us Crazy haha

Aang and Katara did get together in a very beautiful and great ending (i loved that music), despite my grievances afterwards. And i still think they might have pulled Zutara off (though i knew they wouldnt) Spacrac if they'd done Zuko jsutice in Southern Raiders, and even with the small scenes in Ember and Finale. THey wouldnt have been together, but would have been strongly hinted ONE question guys, maybe my copy missed it, BUT where was the scene of Zuko and Katar fighting/practices together against EB??????

It doesn't bother you though that Katara through the whole series had a maternal-like relationship with Aang?

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Sektos

[3919]Jul 21, 2008

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Spike815 wrote:

Sektos wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually.

Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...)

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

It is more, otherwise why would we have endured this long for it

I too felt prehaps the best way was to HINT, strongly thou, at relationships with some of the characters. But then it would have driven us Crazy haha

Aang and Katara did get together in a very beautiful and great ending (i loved that music), despite my grievances afterwards. And i still think they might have pulled Zutara off (though i knew they wouldnt) Spacrac if they'd done Zuko jsutice in Southern Raiders, and even with the small scenes in Ember and Finale. THey wouldnt have been together, but would have been strongly hinted

ONE question guys, maybe my copy missed it, BUT where was the scene of Zuko and Katar fighting/practices together against EB??????

That was when they were fighting The Melon Lord. When Toph made those training dummies to stop them.

WTF! are u scr*wing with me Spike

haha

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Chairunisa

[3920]Jul 21, 2008

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Spike815 wrote:

Chairunisa wrote:

If there are lack of development in the relationship due to short of episode ( even there are 3 season for creator to build up the progressing of relationship nicely) or maybe avatar is only kids story/show and no need for romantic part so in that case I think it's wise to end the story only with friendship relationship for each characters. I prefer they all make huge hug as a usually.

Make me sad and disappointment for avatar ending due to the creator just make katara and zuko made sacrifice for Aang cos kids alway love to see the hero got everything at the end (hmmm sound like brainwashing...)

Silly of me for thinking that Avatar more than just kids show..

Lol you make it sound like they actually broke up Zuko and Katara to give her to Aang. You are aware of that girl Zuko was hangning out with all season, Mai? The girl that betrayed her country for Zuko?

And did Zuko or Katara ever give any, any hints of liking eachother? NO. Until TSR they hated eachother. But you think making up a relationship for them in 2 episodes would be better? Kataang has 3 more seasons of development than Zutara, you wanting them to end up together doesn't match your arguement.

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it is not about how many but how the progress is going on... if the creators want to make ending with katara and Aang why there is no development relationship between Aang and Katara and in the The ember player episode it's just show how the relationship going worst between Aang and Katara. And the other thing why should make development relationship between Katara and Zuko..like zuko dedicate himself for katare's sake at SR..what for...

It's better to make some development relationship between Mai and Zuko which for ex how Zuko feeling after the Boiling Rock which clearly Mai in Big Trouble....( in boiling rock when Zuko ordered to stop the Gang I thought He consider about Mai but no... he just thought about the Balloon of Azula)

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