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| Avaang18 wrote: |
Well...seeing Kataang's canon and Zutara was confirmed to be nothing more than a crackship (surprise..surprise) I don't really understand why people are still debating.
And those pictures are evidence that Katara has shown romantic interest in Aang throughout the show, anyone who saw otherwise were too caught up in Zutara land |
| Avaang18 wrote: |
| Well...seeing Kataang's canon and Zutara was confirmed to be nothing more than a crackship (surprise..surprise) I don't really understand why people are still debating.
And those pictures are evidence that Katara has shown romantic interest in Aang throughout the show, anyone who saw otherwise were too caught up in Zutara land |
I don't really consider Zutara to be a crackship. A crack ship is Azulaang or Maizula or something like that. I thought Zutara had a chance of happening, altough it was really small, it was still a chance. And I think there were many Kataangers out there who thought Zutara would be canon after Zuko saved Katara's life. That was a pretty huge moment between the two.
| something9 wrote: | ||
I don't really consider Zutara to be a crackship. A crack ship is Azulaang or Maizula or something like that. I thought Zutara had a chance of happening, altough it was really small, it was still a chance. And I think there were many Kataangers out there who thought Zutara would be canon after Zuko saved Katara's life. That was a pretty huge moment between the two.
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I would really like to know - what on earth convinced so many zutarians that Zuko and Katara really were going to end up together in the end. I understand an respect that you might have liked the pairing more than Kataang, but what on earth made you think that it would actually happen? There was no evidence for it at all, and so much evidence for Kataang that it should have always been obvious which ship was going to win out in the end.
| Axrendale wrote: |
I would really like to know - what on earth convinced so many zutarians that Zuko and Katara really were going to end up together in the end. I understand an respect that you might have liked the pairing more than Kataang, but what on earth made you think that it would actually happen? There was no evidence for it at all, and so much evidence for Kataang that it should have always been obvious which ship was going to win out in the end. |
| Axrendale wrote: |
| Personally, I blame that trailer from the NYCC for stirring up a lot of the trouble. Prior to it's release, it seemed at times that the Zutarians had given up. With the crushing amount of maiko and Kataang in the first season, the shipping threads had virtually died, mostly off-topic posts. Then that trailer arrived and suddenlt the Zutarians ignited. |
^ They shipped Zutara because they wanted the two hot characters together, simple as that. I don't care what any of them say, that's the foundation of the ship. If Zuko was still Zuko but was 12 years old and short like Aang or the same age as he is now, but bald and fat with a face like Chit Sang, you wouldn't find a "Zutara" shipper anywhere.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/32/Zutara_motivator.jpg
Seriously....
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| I don't really consider Zutara to be a crackship. A crack ship is Azulaang or Maizula or something like that. |
*shrugs* Zutara had the same amount of romantic hints as Azulaang and Maizula (which was zero -_-), so if those two are considered crack, then so is Zutara in my book. (and it's even worse because Zuko and Katara actually cringed twice at the thought of them being together. xD)
And no, not many Kataangers believed that Zutara was going to happen just because Zuko saved Katara......but I guess that's mostly because they wasn't fool enough to believe that the Sozin's Comet book that came about a couple of months before the finale was "fake" and the "actual show ending" was going to end in Zutara
| Axrendale wrote: |
| Personally, I blame that trailer from the NYCC for stirring up a lot of the trouble. Prior to it's release, it seemed at times that the Zutarians had given up. With the crushing amount of maiko and Kataang in the first half of the third season, the shipping threads had virtually died, mostly off-topic posts. Then that trailer arrived and suddenlt the Zutarians ignited. |
EDIT: I meant the first half of the third season. Sorry - typo
| Axrendale wrote: | ||
EDIT: I meant the first half of the third season. Sorry - typo |
| isabelwhatx wrote: | ||||
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According to one of creator said that there are some spark between katara and zuko, so there are some moments between zuko and katara on the show but the creators decided to make kataang for some reasons, it is ok ...but the creator made mess with the flow story and development of relationship to make conection for each characters.
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Wait, now. I never said it was canon. I just said that there was a chance it could have become canon, although it was very small. Note I said VERY SMALL. There weren't any hints. I'll agree with you on that one. The "hints" were just overexaggerations made by Zutarians. I never thought Zutara had a chance until watching COD. Although Zuko betrayed everyone, he and Katara had a nice moment in the cave and an instant connection (not necessarily romatic, but a connection, nonetheless). She was going to use her spirit water on him, even though she travels with the Avatar and there's bound to be danger. She chose to use it on Zuko. Even though she didn't, she was going to, which is saying a lot. And after he joined the gaang and the SR, they both became friends.
Anyway, I really don't feel like arguing more about his shipping wat, since I don't care too much about the shipping. The show's over. Kataang won. There's nothing more to debate. I'm just saying that I don't consider Zutara to be a crackship. It may have started out that way, but changed as the series progressed. Now, I think that they are very close friends, which is fine with me.
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| According to one of creator said that there are some spark between katara and zuko |
Yes, sparks as in the antagonistic chemistry between them, not shared sparks in the romantic sense...because there wasn't any of that.
And then he went on to call you Zutarians kids and to say that Zutara wouldn't have lasted even if it would've happened, so I wouldn't use that quote as some sort of Zutara fodder if I was you.....
^^ In response to Avaang18,
Honestly, don't assume why someone ships a certain ship. Shipping Zutara soley because they look good together is shallow and although there are Zutarians that ship it because of that reason, I am not one of them.
I ship Zutara, because they would be, in my opinion, an interesting and dynamic couple. They just made more sense to me than Kataang and its not beacuse Aang is a short bald kid. I don't mind Kataang, actually. I don't like the Katara part of it, though. I love the fact that Aang's is so devoted to her. Watching his crush on Katara transform into love was beautiful to watch. Howvever, I don't like that we didn't get much development on Katara's part. Yes, there were episodes like the Headband, The Fortuneteller, and The Cave of Two Lovers that were obvious Kataang episodes, but after these moments between Katara and Aang, Katara still acts the same around Aang. She still just does the routine kiss on the cheek and hug. If she at least blushes while doing that, I would have been satisfied. Even after the DOBS kiss, which was Aang's confession of how he feels about Katara, in my opinion, she doesn't even mention it. I understand that it was a war and there were more important things to worry about, but she could have at least mentioned it. At least said something to Aang. Instead, Aang had to confront Katara about their relatinpship in EIP. Honestly, if the Kataang EIP moment didn' t happen or happened differently, I would have been satisfied with the Kataang ending. If Katara just said "Now isn't the right time" and left it at that, I would have been alright with. Then, the finale kiss could have meant that "now is the right time." Then, it would look like Katara had feelings, but had to hide them for the sake of the war. But, Katara, instead talks about how confused she is and all that and doesn't even explain herself in the end, which really bothered me. Their relationship needed some sort of communication or explanation in the end, but it didn't happen. I still liked the finale, don't get me wrong. I don't care that much about the pairings. I'm not going to boycott the movies or anything else that Mike and Bryan do, like some Zutarians. I thought the finale was nicely done, but that was one thing that bothered me about it. And, I like Maiko, so I had no problems with that part of the finale
I didn't read Sozin's Comet, so I wasn't spoiled. My Kataang friends, who were unspoiled, thought, for a split second, eh, more like a nano second, that Zuko and Katara were going to kiss in that moment. But, still thats a small portion of Kataangers, so I can't really know what most Kataangers were thinking then.
Anyway, Katara and Zuko had no romantic moments, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are a crack ship. A crack ship is a pairing that, in my opinion, has absolutely no chance of happenening and that makes no sense at all. So, bizarre pairings like Sokkla, Maizula, Zucest, and many others, fall into that category. I guess that you, as a Kataangers would place Zutara in that category. I, as a Zutarian, would not.
We can not totaly said that the sparks is as antagonist chemistry between katara and zuko. not like Aang and katara, there are some development relationship between zuko and katara ( these parts still make me wonder...why???). Zuko and katara dislike each other especially katara which said that zuko's face is representative of the enemy.starting with episode SR when zuko said to sokka that the katara's feeling mean a lot to him. Zuko just sit out side all night waiting for katara ( this is really silly thing...too much for my taste). And katara forgiven zuko and willing to stan by his side during confrontation with azula. Zuko gave his life for katara ( why he does not do that for Mai in BR) and katara cried for him ( not for jet or even for Aang).
| something9 wrote: |
^^ In response to Avaang18, Honestly, don't assume why someone ships a certain ship. Shipping Zutara soley because they look good together is shallow and although there are Zutarians that ship it because of that reason, I am not one of them. I ship Zutara, because they would be, in my opinion, an interesting and dynamic couple. They just made more sense to me than Kataang and its not beacuse Aang is a short bald kid. I don't mind Kataang, actually. I don't like the Katara part of it, though. I love the fact that Aang's is so devoted to her. Watching his crush on Katara transform into love was beautiful to watch. Howvever, I don't like that we didn't get much development on Katara's part. Yes, there were episodes like the Headband, The Fortuneteller, and The Cave of Two Lovers that were obvious Kataang episodes, but after these moments between Katara and Aang, Katara still acts the same around Aang. She still just does the routine kiss on the cheek and hug. If she at least blushes while doing that, I would have been satisfied. Even after the DOBS kiss, which was Aang's confession of how he feels about Katara, in my opinion, she doesn't even mention it. I understand that it was a war and there were more important things to worry about, but she could have at least mentioned it. At least said something to Aang. Instead, Aang had to confront Katara about their relatinpship in EIP. Honestly, if the Kataang EIP moment didn' t happen or happened differently, I would have been satisfied with the Kataang ending. If Katara just said "Now isn't the right time" and left it at that, I would have been alright with. Then, the finale kiss could have meant that "now is the right time." Then, it would look like Katara had feelings, but had to hide them for the sake of the war. But, Katara, instead talks about how confused she is and all that and doesn't even explain herself in the end, which really bothered me. Their relationship needed some sort of communication or explanation in the end, but it didn't happen. I still liked the finale, don't get me wrong. I don't care that much about the pairings. I'm not going to boycott the movies or anything else that Mike and Bryan do, like some Zutarians. I thought the finale was nicely done, but that was one thing that bothered me about it. And, I like Maiko, so I had no problems with that part of the finale I didn't read Sozin's Comet, so I wasn't spoiled. My Kataang friends, who were unspoiled, thought, for a split second, eh, more like a nano second, that Zuko and Katara were going to kiss in that moment. But, still thats a small portion of Kataangers, so I can't really know what most Kataangers were thinking then. Anyway, Katara and Zuko had no romantic moments, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are a crack ship. A crack ship is a pairing that, in my opinion, has absolutely no chance of happenening and that makes no sense at all. So, bizarre pairings like Sokkla, Maizula, Zucest, and many others, fall into that category. I guess that you, as a Kataangers would place Zutara in that category. I, as a Zutarian, would not. |
Heh, I actually agree, I felt the Aang/Katara part in EIP was completely unnecessary.
I would've been perfectly fine with that part if they actually played it up in the finale, but...they didn't. It was dropped like it didn't even happen, so they might as well should've had that scene end with them "officially" becoming a couple or at least had it end somewhat positively.
*sighs* But I'm not one to sit there and b*tch and moan and write over-compensating essays about something like this, so whatever. Kataang was still done beautifully, despite that little hiccup.
And I really haven't a clue how you can say that Zutara made more sense than Kataang. LOL! Yes M & B kept us in limbo for a looong time about Katara's feelings for Aang, but they made it clear as day that Zuko and Katara would've rather made out with hippocows than be with each other. So for what reason other than "both Zuko and Katara are hot" did it make more sense than Kataang? Unless you're just talking about personal opinions and not about what actually happened in the show, if so, just ignore this.
And as for your definition of a crackship, well that fits Zutara perfectly. It never had a chance of happening, so Zutara is a crackship. Please give me one good reason why Zutara isn't a crackship other than because the term hurts your feelings.
| Chairunisa wrote: |
We can not totaly said that the sparks is as antagonist chemistry between katara and zuko. not like Aang and katara, there are some development relationship between zuko and katara ( these parts still make me wonder...why???). Zuko and katara dislike each other especially katara which said that zuko's face is representative of the enemy.starting with episode SR when zuko said to sokka that the katara's feeling mean a lot to him. Zuko just sit out side all night waiting for katara ( this is really silly thing...too much for my taste). And katara forgiven zuko and willing to stan by his side during confrontation with azula. Zuko gave his life for katara ( why he does not do that for Mai in BR) and katara cried for him ( not for jet or even for Aang). |
....positive interaction =/= destined to be together. Zuko and Katara went from enemies to friends, that's great, but that's all it was. They wasn't anything romantic in those interactions. Aang and Zuko went from enemies to friends also, does that mean that Zukaang should've happen?
And yes we totally can say that the sparks between Zuko and Katara wasn't romantic because they wasn't any romantic!Zutara and Mike and Bryan made that pretty clear.
And LOL! Um.....you must've completely missed the season 2 finale when Katara was crying for Aang when Azula shot him with the lightning. Wow....take off the Zutara goggles, dude xD
Oh and for the Kataang shippers, I heard from people who got the book 3 boxset already say that on the Women of Avatar" part there was an interview with Mae Whitman on it and on it she confirmed that Aang and Katara did kiss in the CoTL and that Katara did have a crush on Aang. So...yeah, back in April, I'm sure that would've caused huge spazz attacks, but now that Kataang's already canon, it doesn't really mean much xD But it's still cool though
| Axrendale wrote: |
I would really like to know - what on earth convinced so many zutarians that Zuko and Katara really were going to end up together in the end. I understand an respect that you might have liked the pairing more than Kataang, but what on earth made you think that it would actually happen? There was no evidence for it at all, and so much evidence for Kataang that it should have always been obvious which ship was going to win out in the end. |
it's all because the creators made the bad flow story for development characters's relationship.. maybe they want to make false guideing to make suprise ending but it's realy turn become not good.
