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    bl0ndi3girl18

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    Sektos wrote:
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    It has been confirmed in an interview that the creators meant the final seen in the finale to symbolize Aang and Katara's wedding kiss.

    "NO WAIT- screw that, at only FOURTEEN im going to marry you my prepubescent love bunny"


    and the marrying age was at 16 back then so REMEMBER THAT!
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    Sektos

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    bl0ndi3girl18 wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    It has been confirmed in an interview that the creators meant the final seen in the finale to symbolize Aang and Katara's wedding kiss.

    "NO WAIT- screw that, at only FOURTEEN im going to marry you my prepubescent love bunny"


    and the marrying age was at 16 back then so REMEMBER THAT!


    Haha in the watertribe atleast and of course people married alot younger throughout history. I did mean my post to be comedic

    BUUUUT my point is that the creators really jumped the shark when it came to the Kataang relationship- specifically Katara. Its Personal Opinion, and ive argued it before so not too interested in doing it again
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    Sektos wrote:
    bl0ndi3girl18 wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    It has been confirmed in an interview that the creators meant the final seen in the finale to symbolize Aang and Katara's wedding kiss.

    "NO WAIT- screw that, at only FOURTEEN im going to marry you my prepubescent love bunny"


    and the marrying age was at 16 back then so REMEMBER THAT!


    Haha in the watertribe atleast and of course people married alot younger throughout history. I did mean my post to be comedic

    BUUUUT my point is that the creators really jumped the shark when it came to the Kataang relationship- specifically Katara. Its Personal Opinion, and ive argued it before so not too interested in doing it again

    LOL no i see where you are coming from and i somewhat agree Katara should have shown a bit more interest towards the end of the series.
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    isabelwhatx

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    You've got to realize that this is NATURAL for Katara. Her people marry this early. It's not that big of a deal to fall in love that early on her part.
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    Phantomair

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    I like the idea of Sokka and Ty-Lee but I also like Sokka and Suki CANT DECIDE
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    You've got to realize that this is NATURAL for Katara. Her people marry this early. It's not that big of a deal to fall in love that early on her part.


    We get that ISabelwhatX, but my point is that (again imo) that there wasnt enough developement and that, as a modern day show and because of who the characters are at ppl. Remember Katara is anything BUT "natural" for WT and doesnt agree with the old customs. She wasnt so happy about the prearranged, early marriage thing or the fact they tried to deny her her right to learn waterbending. Aang and Katara should be dating and then partners before they suddenly jump into marriage. Hell i would have minded a flashforward to them as Adults at their wedding instead of Ba SIng Sei scene (thou i think that end scene was beautiful, but the kiss was out of place for the developement shown)

    My joke was that the comment was tooo definite about their future and that suggesting something like that doesnt make sense with what was "shown" in the show, the characters, and simple its waaaay too early to be throwing stuff like that around.
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    isabelwhatx

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    Katara only argues with the NWT's customs. She loves her people dearly. I think there was TOO MUCH development for Kataang. The first season is oozing with Kataang. Aang and Katara haven't jumped into marriage just yet. All because they'll eventually get married doesn't mean they're jumping into it. For all we know they could've been dating for years without getting married.
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    Sektos wrote:
    [ We get that ISabelwhatX, but my point is that (again imo) that there wasnt enough developement and that, as a modern day show and because of who the characters are at ppl. Remember Katara is anything BUT "natural" for WT and doesnt agree with the old customs. She wasnt so happy about the prearranged, early marriage thing or the fact they tried to deny her her right to learn waterbending. Aang and Katara should be dating and then partners before they suddenly jump into marriage.

    ^ *facepalms* You know, when he stated that the kiss was foreshadowing a wedding between Aang and Katara, he wasn't saying they were going to get hitched the next day, he was talking about about later on in their life. So that will give them plenty of time to date.

    And as for there not being "any development" for Kataang, LMAO!! Next...

    (But FTR, I do think the whole Aang/Katara part in EIP was completely unnecesarry. Since they wasn't going to play up the angst, they should've ended that scene on a positive note. But even with that, saying that Kataang was somehow underdeveloped is still a stupid thing to say)

    Aaand speaking of Kataang, on the DVD commentaries during the kiss scene, Mike and Bryan were talking about how the animators were kinda nervous about the kiss because it seemed too "passionate and deep" for a kids show and M & B were all like "no it's gotta be that way!!" LOL! It was rather funny. So blame M & B for the borderline PG-13 kiss xD

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    Avaang18 wrote:

    Sektos wrote:
    [ We get that ISabelwhatX, but my point is that (again imo) that there wasnt enough developement and that, as a modern day show and because of who the characters are at ppl. Remember Katara is anything BUT "natural" for WT and doesnt agree with the old customs. She wasnt so happy about the prearranged, early marriage thing or the fact they tried to deny her her right to learn waterbending. Aang and Katara should be dating and then partners before they suddenly jump into marriage.

    ^ *facepalms* You know, when he stated that the kiss was foreshadowing a wedding between Aang and Katara, he wasn't saying they were going to get hitched the next day, he was talking about about later on in their life. So that will give them plenty of time to date.

    And as for there not being "any development" for Kataang, LMAO!! Next...

    (But FTR, I do think the whole Aang/Katara part in EIP was completely unnecesarry. Since they wasn't going to play up the angst, they should've ended that scene on a positive note. But even with that, saying that Kataang was somehow underdeveloped is still a stupid thing to say)

    Aaand speaking of Kataang, on the DVD commentaries during the kiss scene, Mike and Bryan were talking about how the animators were kinda nervous about the kiss because it seemed too "passionate and deep" for a kids show and M & B were all like "no it's gotta be that way!!" LOL! It was rather funny. So blame M & B for the borderline PG-13 kiss xD



    Mike and Bryan, I salute you as true Imperators - you have Triumphed
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    Axrendale

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    Seriously, I don't get what the big deal is about the EIP scene. Nobody can deny that there was a ton of Kataang foreshadowing in the series - EIP did not cancel that out. This scene was here purely to show that Katara is still confused. She has only recently discovered that Aang likes her, and while she certainly would not mind having that kind of relationship with him *coughtheheadbandcough*, she doesn't quite understand what her new feelings for him were. By the end of Sozin's Comet, she had decided - I could love this guy.

    In my opinion, the EIP scene was there purely to delay the final kiss. Without the EIP kataangst, another romance scene near the begining of the finale would have been in order. Instead, the full glory of Kataang was reserved for the final scene.
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    Avaang18 wrote:
    *facepalms* You know, when he stated that the kiss was foreshadowing a wedding between Aang and Katara, he wasn't saying they were going to get hitched the next day, he was talking about about later on in their life. So that will give them plenty of time to date.

    And as for there not being "any development" for Kataang, LMAO!! Next...

    (But FTR, I do think the whole Aang/Katara part in EIP was completely unnecesarry. Since they wasn't going to play up the angst, they should've ended that scene on a positive note. But even with that, saying that Kataang was somehow underdeveloped is still a stupid thing to say)

    Aaand speaking of Kataang, on the DVD commentaries during the kiss scene, Mike and Bryan were talking about how the animators were kinda nervous about the kiss because it seemed too "passionate and deep" for a kids show and M & B were all like "no it's gotta be that way!!" LOL! It was rather funny. So blame M & B for the borderline PG-13 kiss xD

    LOL- haha its called reading last past ;p - "Prob really meant that it Confirms the relationship and that they'll eventually marry " and "Hell i would have minded a flashforward to them as Adults at their wedding instead of Ba SIng Sei scene (thou i think that end scene was beautiful, but the kiss was out of place for the developement shown)" See im not going into the arguement about Kataang, why? not because i dont have point, but because ive repeated them a thousand times on the site lol.

    The only thing i'll say is the was plenty of Aang, but little of Kat, shown in the show. And as ive said before, and Ax above, she was confused by her emotions AND FINALLY got to see some of her feelings voiced in EIP. Its basically what ive been hoping for since DOBS and imo the creators realising that they better hurry up and address Katara! , because she had "mostly" up to that point shown little interest or thought to Aang in a romantic manner, with DOBS being turning point where she had to face realisation Aang likes her and how she feels about him (i was flamed for this after DOBS lol). This is exactly what was raised in EIP, My prob is that that they didnt show proper resolution to Katara in the finale afterwards- instead Katara just Kissed Aang with no explanation; which is why i think that having same scene but instead close up of them reaching and holding eachothers hands would have fit the mood and developement better, and also imply that yes they will get together.

    Ive got some of my thought on this on my blog if want to check out- unfortunately not everything not very good with up dating it regularly

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    showing very little development = ZUTARA!
    not Kataang.
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    Sektos wrote:
    Avaang18 wrote:
    *facepalms* You know, when he stated that the kiss was foreshadowing a wedding between Aang and Katara, he wasn't saying they were going to get hitched the next day, he was talking about about later on in their life. So that will give them plenty of time to date.

    And as for there not being "any development" for Kataang, LMAO!! Next...

    (But FTR, I do think the whole Aang/Katara part in EIP was completely unnecesarry. Since they wasn't going to play up the angst, they should've ended that scene on a positive note. But even with that, saying that Kataang was somehow underdeveloped is still a stupid thing to say)

    Aaand speaking of Kataang, on the DVD commentaries during the kiss scene, Mike and Bryan were talking about how the animators were kinda nervous about the kiss because it seemed too "passionate and deep" for a kids show and M & B were all like "no it's gotta be that way!!" LOL! It was rather funny. So blame M & B for the borderline PG-13 kiss xD

    LOL- haha its called reading last past ;p - "Prob really meant that it Confirms the relationship and that they'll eventually marry " and "Hell i would have minded a flashforward to them as Adults at their wedding instead of Ba SIng Sei scene (thou i think that end scene was beautiful, but the kiss was out of place for the developement shown)" See im not going into the arguement about Kataang, why? not because i dont have point, but because ive repeated them a thousand times on the site lol.

    The only thing i'll say is the was plenty of Aang, but little of Kat, shown in the show. And as ive said before, and Ax above, she was confused by her emotions AND FINALLY got to see some of her feelings voiced in EIP. Its basically what ive been hoping for since DOBS and imo the creators realising that they better hurry up and address Katara! , because she had "mostly" up to that point shown little interest or thought to Aang in a romantic manner, with DOBS being turning point where she had to face realisation Aang likes her and how she feels about him (i was flamed for this after DOBS lol). This is exactly what was raised in EIP, My prob is that that they didnt show proper resolution to Katara in the finale afterwards- instead Katara just Kissed Aang with no explanation; which is why i think that having same scene but instead close up of them reaching and holding eachothers hands would have fit the mood and developement better, and also imply that yes they will get together.

    Ive got some of my thought on this on my blog if want to check out- unfortunately not everything not very good with up dating it regularly

    What's to explain? Katara was initially confused about how she felt about Aang, sometime in the finale, apparently during the corronation scene, she resolved her feelings of confusion.

    I have a really big rant on this, but I have to go for now, so I'll post it later.

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    she had the entire finale to figure it out...
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    Axrendale wrote:
    What's to explain? Katara was initially confused about how she felt about Aang, sometime in the finale, apparently during the corronation scene, she resolved her feelings of confusion. I have a really big rant on this, but I have to go for now, so I'll post it later.

    Well as you said, at some point she must done that. BUT WHAT made her realise her feelings for him were romantic and when did this happen. They had perfect set-up! i'd predicted Aang would disappear, and i theorised that this would make Katara realise how much she does care for him. But we didnt get that instead they jumped it. And yes it was important because it was proper resolution to the Kataang relationship and Katara. One of the things that has to be kept in mind of course is that the show was initially geared for 12 and under, and thou creators know the fan-base is far greater than that they still have to make sure its acceptable for the young kids. One thing they dont get, or really care about, is of course relationships. The creators had to focus on Aang as main character and as such his romantic feelings above the other's (thou they made good job of the others ) and as such developement with some other the other characters were sped up or had chunks skipped over- Maizu and Katara. Again this is my opinion, so of course everyone welcome to disagree

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    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    What's to explain? Katara was initially confused about how she felt about Aang, sometime in the finale, apparently during the corronation scene, she resolved her feelings of confusion. I have a really big rant on this, but I have to go for now, so I'll post it later.

    Well as you said, at some point she must done that. BUT WHAT made her realise her feelings for him were romantic and when did this happen. They had perfect set-up! i'd predicted Aang would disappear, and i theorised that this would make Katara realise how much she does care for him. But we didnt get that instead they jumped it. And yes it was important because it was proper resolution to the Kataang relationship and Katara. One of the things that has to be kept in mind of course is that the show was initially geared for 12 and under, and thou creators know the fan-base is far greater than that they still have to make sure its acceptable for the young kids. One thing they dont get, or really care about, is of course relationships. The creators had to focus on Aang as main character and as such his romantic feelings above the other's (thou they made good job of the others ) and as such developement with some other the other characters were sped up or had chunks skipped over- Maizu and Katara. Again this is my opinion, so of course everyone welcome to disagree

    *disagrees*

    Have you read the Inheritance trilogy (Eragon, Eldest, and Brisingr)? There is a romance issuue in the book whose fundamentals are very similar to the ones we are arguing over here. I just got the third book - I am currently reading it. Let me finish it, and I suspect I may have a greater answer in depth for you.

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    Axrendale wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    What's to explain? Katara was initially confused about how she felt about Aang, sometime in the finale, apparently during the corronation scene, she resolved her feelings of confusion. I have a really big rant on this, but I have to go for now, so I'll post it later.

    Well as you said, at some point she must done that. BUT WHAT made her realise her feelings for him were romantic and when did this happen. They had perfect set-up! i'd predicted Aang would disappear, and i theorised that this would make Katara realise how much she does care for him. But we didnt get that instead they jumped it. And yes it was important because it was proper resolution to the Kataang relationship and Katara. One of the things that has to be kept in mind of course is that the show was initially geared for 12 and under, and thou creators know the fan-base is far greater than that they still have to make sure its acceptable for the young kids. One thing they dont get, or really care about, is of course relationships. The creators had to focus on Aang as main character and as such his romantic feelings above the other's (thou they made good job of the others ) and as such developement with some other the other characters were sped up or had chunks skipped over- Maizu and Katara. Again this is my opinion, so of course everyone welcome to disagree

    :p IU

    *disagrees*

    Have you read the Inheritance trilogy (Eragon, Eldest, and Brisingr)? There is a romance issuue in the book whose fundamentals are very similar to the ones we are arguing over here. I just got the third book - I am currently reading it. Let me finish it, and I suspect I may have a greater answer in depth for you.



    oh ive heard of that one and no ive only seen movie. BUt from reviews ive read of story, characters etc its meant to be worse than katara- Kataang developement Your talking about main character and the elf right?

    what do you disagree with??? do you mean my statement that creators simplified and generalised relationships (well i might add at times)outside of Aang? Funny thing is i feel their was more done for George that Kataang, despite Suki being secondary character and only in a few eps, because both of their feelings were presented well in the time they were given.
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    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    What's to explain? Katara was initially confused about how she felt about Aang, sometime in the finale, apparently during the corronation scene, she resolved her feelings of confusion. I have a really big rant on this, but I have to go for now, so I'll post it later.

    Well as you said, at some point she must done that. BUT WHAT made her realise her feelings for him were romantic and when did this happen. They had perfect set-up! i'd predicted Aang would disappear, and i theorised that this would make Katara realise how much she does care for him. But we didnt get that instead they jumped it. And yes it was important because it was proper resolution to the Kataang relationship and Katara. One of the things that has to be kept in mind of course is that the show was initially geared for 12 and under, and thou creators know the fan-base is far greater than that they still have to make sure its acceptable for the young kids. One thing they dont get, or really care about, is of course relationships. The creators had to focus on Aang as main character and as such his romantic feelings above the other's (thou they made good job of the others ) and as such developement with some other the other characters were sped up or had chunks skipped over- Maizu and Katara. Again this is my opinion, so of course everyone welcome to disagree

    :p IU

    *disagrees*

    Have you read the Inheritance trilogy (Eragon, Eldest, and Brisingr)? There is a romance issuue in the book whose fundamentals are very similar to the ones we are arguing over here. I just got the third book - I am currently reading it. Let me finish it, and I suspect I may have a greater answer in depth for you.

    oh ive heard of that one and no ive only seen movie. BUt from reviews ive read of story, characters etc its meant to be worse than katara- Kataang developement Your talking about main character and the elf right? what do you disagree with??? do you mean my statement that creators simplified and generalised relationships (well i might add at times)outside of Aang? Funny thing is i feel their was more done for George that Kataang, despite Suki being secondary character and only in a few eps, because both of their feelings were presented well in the time they were given.

    If you've only seen the movie, then it's no wonder you've picked up that impression. That movie was cr**iest piece of s*** that has ever been labelled an adaption It turned a really, really good book into something so bad, I literally threw up in the cinema near the end (I was aksed to leave). Just kidding. But seriously, that movie no more represents the book than the Sozin's Comet adaption represents the real Sozin's Comet.

    I simply disagree because it is fairly obvious that we have reached a point where nobody can win this argument. A good deal of this sort of thing depends on the viewers perception of the story, and perception is always going to be different for everyone. For me, the Kataang developement in the story has always been very obvious, and perfectly logical. For you, apparently not so.

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    Sektos

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    Well then we agree to disagree lol
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