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    LondonParisNYC

    [4741]Aug 12, 2008
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    Woahhh....when did this forum pick up again.

    of coure the one day i'm not on =[

    IRONY!

    Are there any new Zutara fans?

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    Axrendale

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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    All I can say is there's a reason why Kataang prevailed. /ship wars
    yes its more suitable for children and more fairy tale like where Zutara most kids wouldn't even understand the attraction

    I think that you might just be in denial.

    the only reason Zutara didn't work out is because the creators actively blocked alone time between Zuko and Katara before mai was in the picute, in the earth prison they didn't even give half the conversation and as soon and Katara and Zuko start to get close Aang breaks in and him and Katara leave, then Zuko chooses to capture the avatar, Azula almost kills Aang Zuko hooks up with mai, and breaks up when he joins the avatar, Katara still hates him and Mai saved him b4 he made up with Katara, the reason Aang won was because Mai beat Katara not Aang beat Zuko

    Again, you persist with this. Could you come up with a different argument? You have no evidence whatsoever that Zuko and Katara would ever have become anything more than friends if they'd been left alone in that cave. Zuko's willingness to go out with Mai suggests that he never felt anything like that for Katara, likewise, there was never any evidence that Katara was affected anymore than having trusted someone and then being betrayed.

    What do you mean no evidence, she acted the same way around jet when he came back as she did zuko (only more fierce with zuko) and we all know she liked jet, and the way she put her hand on his face, not to mention the whole ember island player things, hell Aang was shipping Zutara in that one. And Katara wouldn't just offer to use her spirit water because she was sorry about his mom, hell the creators cut out half of the conversation, the creators obviously were suppressing Zutara

    Actually, it was very different to Jet. There was no blushing, no obvious attraction, just a few understanding looks and a willingness to try and help him with what she percieved as his problem. Katara does that to everyone. If threatening someone constitutes sexual tension, then ships like Azulaang just gained a lot more credo. How does the fact that she was angry at him when he joined the group mean that she once had romantic feelings for him? The way Katara reacted towards Jet and Zuko was simply the way that she presumably acts towards anyone and everyone who she trusted and was betrayed by.

    Yes, she put her hand on Zuko's face. Guess what, she put her hand on Aang's face in exactly the same way one episode later. It's something Katara does during healing sessions.

    Aang shipping Zutara in EIP? I must have missed something absolutely massive. The EIP thing was simply Katara bluntly telling Aang that they should concentrate on more important things than romancing. Could her awkwardness possibly have been based off her really wanting iit, and yet knowing that it wasn't the right time? Considering that by the end of the finale she was giving Aang longing looks and making the first move during their kiss, I'd say so.

    Katara was going to use her spirit water because she knew it was the only chance of healing Zuko's scar. She wanted to heal Zuko's scar because she sensed that it would be a major step in helping him. The fact that she knew Ba Sing Se was in trouble and they needed allies might also have been a factor.

    You claim that the creators were suppressing Zutara. It would appear that there was nothing to suppress.

    If healing zuko's scar was about helping him, why didn't she do it after Aang showed up

    Possibly because Katara considered stopping Azula from taking over Ba Sing Se to be more important? If they had won that battle, then there would have been all the time in the world for Katara to heal the scar and afterwards they could all have made up and become friends, etc, etc.

    And people say Kataang is cheesy.

    Katara had no idea azula was going to take over ba sing say she thought it was a trap for Aang, and how hard would it be to say Aang hold on a sec as she healed it, she obviously thought it more then just a friendly gesture

    She knew that Azula was there, and naturally up to no good. She also would have known that Azula was working with the Dai Lee, since they had to be the ones who put her in the cave. Although she may act like it sometimes, Katara is not stupid; she would have to have been blind to miss the fact that something was up. As soon as she was free to go, getting out of there to stopwhatever was going on naturally became top priority.

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    Chairunisa

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    I am sure there are so many kataang and zutara in this forum...so I would like to ask you which memoment between Aang and katara or zuko and katara that you consider it to be most beautiful moment... myself I like the moment at HB when Aang give hand to katara and said please trust me...
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    Chairunisa wrote:
    I am sure there are so many kataang and zutara in this forum...so I would like to ask you which memoment between Aang and katara or zuko and katara that you consider it to be most beautiful moment... myself I like the moment at HB when Aang give hand to katara and said please trust me...
    when was that?
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    Chairunisa

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    when Aang asked katara for the dance
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    doomed_soul89

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    When Katara was healing Zuko and he said thanks and then she said i should be the one thanking you, after the fight with azula
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    mangafreak5000

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    *facepalm* Sheesh, please don't tell me that we're back to bickering over Kataang and Zutara!

    Fact: Kataang won the shipping war. Zutara is dead.

    Fact: We will never know which ship would have lasted longer. Zutara never happened, and we will see no more of Kataang. (At least not in leading roles. They may appear if they make more seasons, but as secondary characters.)

    Fact: We're not saying that Zutara is not a steamy ship. It's just the fact that it is a steamy dead ship.

    Fact: You cannot go against the will of Mike and Bryan. They have often said that Kataang is their wonderful classic romance. And classic romances are perfect fairy tale loves that can live through anything and will last forever.

    Fact: I am getting tired of repeating myself over and over. Lets just move on to a more useful topic- THE MOVIE!!!!

    It has been confirmed that he movie will be called "The Last Airbender" and that it will be released in July of 2010. NOT 2009 like was previously expected. Which actually is a good thing, considering that the 3-D movie titled "Avatar" will be released in summer of 2009.

    We have heard in interviews with M. Night that the movie will be shot mostly in Philly and Greenland.

    Nick just got bumped up in the Paramount corporation, so the movie will likely have more funds than before. Yay!

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    EmoHaruno

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    mangafreak5000 wrote:

    *facepalm* Sheesh, please don't tell me that we're back to bickering over Kataang and Zutara!

    Fact: Kataang won the shipping war. Zutara is dead.

    Fact: We will never know which ship would have lasted longer. Zutara never happened, and we will see no more of Kataang. (At least not in leading roles. They may appear if they make more seasons, but as secondary characters.)

    Fact: We're not saying that Zutara is not a steamy ship. It's just the fact that it is a steamy dead ship.

    Fact: You cannot go against the will of Mike and Bryan. They have often said that Kataang is their wonderful classic romance. And classic romances are perfect fairy tale loves that can live through anything and will last forever.

    Fact: I am getting tired of repeating myself over and over. Lets just move on to a more useful topic- THE MOVIE!!!!

    It has been confirmed that he movie will be called "The Last Airbender" and that it will be released in July of 2010. NOT 2009 like was previously expected. Which actually is a good thing, considering that the 3-D movie titled "Avatar" will be released in summer of 2009.

    We have heard in interviews with M. Night that the movie will be shot mostly in Philly and Greenland.

    Nick just got bumped up in the Paramount corporation, so the movie will likely have more funds than before. Yay!


    Um...this IS the relationship thread. So thats why we are talking about Kataang and Zutara. Theres already a movie thread.
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    isabelwhatx

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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    When Katara was healing Zuko and he said thanks and then she said i should be the one thanking you, after the fight with azula

    Because Zuko saved her life, that's all it was.
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    mangafreak5000

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    EmoHaruno wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:

    *facepalm* Sheesh, please don't tell me that we're back to bickering over Kataang and Zutara!

    Fact: Kataang won the shipping war. Zutara is dead.

    Fact: We will never know which ship would have lasted longer. Zutara never happened, and we will see no more of Kataang. (At least not in leading roles. They may appear if they make more seasons, but as secondary characters.)

    Fact: We're not saying that Zutara is not a steamy ship. It's just the fact that it is a steamy dead ship.

    Fact: You cannot go against the will of Mike and Bryan. They have often said that Kataang is their wonderful classic romance. And classic romances are perfect fairy tale loves that can live through anything and will last forever.

    Fact: I am getting tired of repeating myself over and over. Lets just move on to a more useful topic- THE MOVIE!!!!

    It has been confirmed that he movie will be called "The Last Airbender" and that it will be released in July of 2010. NOT 2009 like was previously expected. Which actually is a good thing, considering that the 3-D movie titled "Avatar" will be released in summer of 2009.

    We have heard in interviews with M. Night that the movie will be shot mostly in Philly and Greenland.

    Nick just got bumped up in the Paramount corporation, so the movie will likely have more funds than before. Yay!

    Um...this IS the relationship thread. So thats why we are talking about Kataang and Zutara. Theres already a movie thread.

    I know... but could we at least discuss other relationships that are kind of new? Or at least not go over the same loop of arguments over and over and over and not really get anywhere?

    If this is about relationships (and not even just the romantic ones) then why don't we discussthe relationships between Nations. What do we think will be the general mood of the world after the war?

    And also.... choose the most EPIC! scene from Avatar. (all seasons)

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    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:

    *facepalm* Sheesh, please don't tell me that we're back to bickering over Kataang and Zutara!

    Fact: Kataang won the shipping war. Zutara is dead.

    Fact: We will never know which ship would have lasted longer. Zutara never happened, and we will see no more of Kataang. (At least not in leading roles. They may appear if they make more seasons, but as secondary characters.)

    Fact: We're not saying that Zutara is not a steamy ship. It's just the fact that it is a steamy dead ship.

    Fact: You cannot go against the will of Mike and Bryan. They have often said that Kataang is their wonderful classic romance. And classic romances are perfect fairy tale loves that can live through anything and will last forever.

    Fact: I am getting tired of repeating myself over and over. Lets just move on to a more useful topic- THE MOVIE!!!!

    It has been confirmed that he movie will be called "The Last Airbender" and that it will be released in July of 2010. NOT 2009 like was previously expected. Which actually is a good thing, considering that the 3-D movie titled "Avatar" will be released in summer of 2009.

    We have heard in interviews with M. Night that the movie will be shot mostly in Philly and Greenland.

    Nick just got bumped up in the Paramount corporation, so the movie will likely have more funds than before. Yay!

    Um...this IS the relationship thread. So thats why we are talking about Kataang and Zutara. Theres already a movie thread.

    I know... but could we at least discuss other relationships that are kind of new? Or at least not go over the same loop of arguments over and over and over and not really get anywhere?

    If this is about relationships (and not even just the romantic ones) then why don't we discussthe relationships between Nations. What do we think will be the general mood of the world after the war?

    And also.... choose the most EPIC! scene from Avatar. (all seasons)

    This is the thread for discussion of the various romantic relationships in Avatar. Anything else is off-topic.

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    mangafreak5000

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    Gosh, this is almost worse then when we were on hiatus. Actually, we kind of ARE on hiatus.... a TWO YEAR hiatus! Well, at least when the movie comes out we can all hear about the wonderful "sexual tension" from Zutara...

    but the person who might play Aang is older than 12, they might make him the same age as Katara. (Whoot! Katanng might have the ST for a change!)

    I'm just curious, but if Katara and Aang were the same age would it change any Zutarian's minds? Because many Zutarians gripe about how Katara is too motherly and that Aang is too innocent and immature for her.

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    mangafreak5000 wrote:

    Gosh, this is almost worse then when we were on hiatus. Actually, we kind of ARE on hiatus.... a TWO YEAR hiatus! Well, at least when the movie comes out we can all hear about the wonderful "sexual tension" from Zutara...

    but the person who might play Aang is older than 12, they might make him the same age as Katara. (Whoot! Katanng might have the ST for a change!)

    I'm just curious, but if Katara and Aang were the same age would it change any Zutarian's minds? Because many Zutarians gripe about how Katara is too motherly and that Aang is too innocent and immature for her.

    Both of those arguments ceased to function properly sometime around the begining of Book 2. But they're pretty much all that the canon!Zutarians have, and so they were continually brought up and blown out of all proportion.

    But we don't mind. It gives us something to argue about

    Which is why we are still doing this. All future avatar events are a long way off; the new video game is still some moths away, the next comic-con isn't until feburay, ditto for the rumored hour long movies, and the Shyamalan movies don't start coming out for almost two years.

    So we argue about shipping. And we find it fun. The only times when it isn't fun is when people start to become a bit upset with things, and start flaming the other shippers *glares at doomed_soul89*. But fortunatly, that doesn't happen too often.

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:
    mangafreak5000 wrote:

    Gosh, this is almost worse then when we were on hiatus. Actually, we kind of ARE on hiatus.... a TWO YEAR hiatus! Well, at least when the movie comes out we can all hear about the wonderful "sexual tension" from Zutara...

    but the person who might play Aang is older than 12, they might make him the same age as Katara. (Whoot! Katanng might have the ST for a change!)

    I'm just curious, but if Katara and Aang were the same age would it change any Zutarian's minds? Because many Zutarians gripe about how Katara is too motherly and that Aang is too innocent and immature for her.

    Both of those arguments ceased to function properly sometime around the begining of Book 2. But they're pretty much all that the canon!Zutarians have, and so they were continually brought up and blown out of all proportion.

    But we don't mind. It gives us something to argue about

    Which is why we are still doing this. All future avatar events are a long way off; the new video game is still some moths away, the next comic-con isn't until feburay, ditto for the rumored hour long movies, and the Shyamalan movies don't start coming out for almost two years.

    So we argue about shipping. And we find it fun. The only times when it isn't fun is when people start to become a bit upset with things, and start flaming the other shippers *glares at doomed_soul89*. But fortunatly, that doesn't happen too often.


    Yes, sometimes people take things a bit personally. THings can get hostile.
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    doomed_soul89

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    Kataang didn't win the shipping war, Zuai did and Kataang was left over, Zutara was never given a chance, the creators showed about 3 or 4 scenes with Katara and Zuko alone, one of them they didn't even show half the conversation, Katara hated Zuko during one of them, and Mai saved Zuko before the others, the creators were afraid to show Zuko and Katara alone together for very long because they knew Zutara would happen and let's face it if Katara and Zuko started to make out it wouldn't be face only like Kataang their hands would be all over each other and if you say i'm wrong, write a scene with Katara and Zuko when they were in the prison cell only don't have Aang interrupt them here's the last thing Katara said before Aang came for reference

    Katara "I'm willing to try it if you are" (about the spirit water) I guarantee you can't write a scene with at least them blushing and you will be tempted to have one of them kiss the other one
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    isabelwhatx

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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Kataang didn't win the shipping war, Zuai did and Kataang was left over. the creators were afraid to show Zuko and Katara alone together for very long because they knew Zutara would happen and let's face it if Katara and Zuko started to make out it wouldn't be face only like Kataang their hands would be all over each other

    1. Kataang did win the shipping war because it prevailed. That was the whole point, which one would prevail.
    2. The creators weren't afraid to leave Zuko and Katara alone together because the creators control them. It's not like the characters have free will.
    3. Maybe Katara and Zuko would start making out. But the fact is is that the Kataang kiss isn't about sexual desire. It was about love. A Zutara kiss would only be about sexual desire, which makes it a lesser ship.
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    Axrendale

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Kataang didn't win the shipping war, Zuai did and Kataang was left over. the creators were afraid to show Zuko and Katara alone together for very long because they knew Zutara would happen and let's face it if Katara and Zuko started to make out it wouldn't be face only like Kataang their hands would be all over each other
    1. Kataang did win the shipping war because it prevailed. That was the whole point, which one would prevail. 2. The creators weren't afraid to leave Zuko and Katara alone together because the creators control them. It's not like the characters have free will. 3. Maybe Katara and Zuko would start making out. But the fact is is that the Kataang kiss isn't about sexual desire. It was about love. A Zutara kiss would only be about sexual desire, which makes it a lesser ship.

    QFT

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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Kataang didn't win the shipping war, Zuai did and Kataang was left over, Zutara was never given a chance, the creators showed about 3 or 4 scenes with Katara and Zuko alone, one of them they didn't even show half the conversation, Katara hated Zuko during one of them, and Mai saved Zuko before the others, the creators were afraid to show Zuko and Katara alone together for very long because they knew Zutara would happen and let's face it if Katara and Zuko started to make out it wouldn't be face only like Kataang their hands would be all over each other and if you say i'm wrong, write a scene with Katara and Zuko when they were in the prison cell only don't have Aang interrupt them here's the last thing Katara said before Aang came for reference

    Katara "I'm willing to try it if you are" (about the spirit water) I guarantee you can't write a scene with at least them blushing and you will be tempted to have one of them kiss the other one


    IMO, the creator's only reason for making Aang and Iroh bust in on that Zutara moment is so Katara wouldn't use her Spirit water to heal Zuko's scare. If she had used it on Zuko then Aang would be DEAD because she wouldn't have had it for when he got shot by Azula's lightning. Not to stop Katara and Zuko from having a make-out session.
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    bl0ndi3girl18 wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Kataang didn't win the shipping war, Zuai did and Kataang was left over, Zutara was never given a chance, the creators showed about 3 or 4 scenes with Katara and Zuko alone, one of them they didn't even show half the conversation, Katara hated Zuko during one of them, and Mai saved Zuko before the others, the creators were afraid to show Zuko and Katara alone together for very long because they knew Zutara would happen and let's face it if Katara and Zuko started to make out it wouldn't be face only like Kataang their hands would be all over each other and if you say i'm wrong, write a scene with Katara and Zuko when they were in the prison cell only don't have Aang interrupt them here's the last thing Katara said before Aang came for reference Katara "I'm willing to try it if you are" (about the spirit water) I guarantee you can't write a scene with at least them blushing and you will be tempted to have one of them kiss the other one
    IMO, the creator's only reason for making Aang and Iroh bust in on that Zutara moment is so Katara wouldn't use her Spirit water to heal Zuko's scare. If she had used it on Zuko then Aang would be DEAD because she wouldn't have had it for when he got shot by Azula's lightning. Not to stop Katara and Zuko from having a make-out session.
    If Katara healed his scar or was just there when Azula came, i don't think Zuko would have turned and ba sing say would be safe and Azula locked up

    and isabelwhatx Katara loves Aang more like a mother loves her son then anything, so it gets kinda creepy which equals inferior ship, the best ship is Zutara but the passion of Zutara and the intensity just isn't for a kids show and it is not true that creators have complete control of their charters, although characters do not have a mind of their own, they do have a personality and you can't just make them do whatever or they will start to not be themselves and the show will start to suck

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    Axrendale

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    Some shippers (myself included) have a fairly major tendancy to believe that everything in the show revolves around the romance. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reason that the writer didn't want Katara to heal Zuko's scar was because if she had healed it, Zuko would have become good. The writers did not want that - they wanted to stretch Zuko's redemption story out for thhe first half of Season 3, ergo Zuko's scar could not be healed. The fact that it effectively crushed Zutara's one miniscule chance of ever setting sail at all was irrelevant.
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