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    death_soul89 wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
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    I don't understand what the argument is about, it doesn't matter what could've happened, what matters is what did happen, and that my friends is Kataang.
    what did happen is Zuko started dating Mai and Katara never had the option
    Nor did she express interest. What is the point of arguing what ifs?
    The one chance they were alone, not fighting, and Zuko wasn't dating Mai was in the earth cave, and they had a whole 30 seconds were they were getting pretty close extremely fast before Aang crashed in
    OK sure, they got close, they could have been together, but hey they weren't. Toph and Sokka could have gotten together, but they didn't. Aang & Zuko could have gotten together but they didn't. Katara & Zuko could have gotten together, but guess what, they didn't. So I suggest you get over it, and realize all you're arguing is a what if. Anybody could argue what ifs. What if Ozai never had an Agni Kai with Zuko and he stayed in the Fire Nation, would he have gotten with Katara? Probably not. What if instead of simply burning his face, Ozai killed Zuko. What ifs are good for speculation, but you can't use them as arguments, because guess what, they simply don't work.
    ^ This. The point is, it didn't happen, so you can't base a ship on 'what if'. Zuko didn't choose Katara (and vice versa) simply because the creators didn't agree with the ship and for no other reason. It has nothing to do with censorship issues. caseybocook: Whoa, burn much to Zuko? xD
    Um let's c a Kattang kiss is a hug and a kiss at most, a Zutara kiss would be a grope kiss at the least, so personally i think cencorship issues had somethign to do with it, and kids are its main target audiance so the main relationship has to be in a kiddy relationship instead of a passionate one (Sukka was for the teens) but that's just my opinion
    you don't though that because the CREATORS have all the control!
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    death_soul89

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    I don't understand what the argument is about, it doesn't matter what could've happened, what matters is what did happen, and that my friends is Kataang.

    what did happen is Zuko started dating Mai and Katara never had the option
    Nor did she express interest. What is the point of arguing what ifs?

    The one chance they were alone, not fighting, and Zuko wasn't dating Mai was in the earth cave, and they had a whole 30 seconds were they were getting pretty close extremely fast before Aang crashed in
    OK sure, they got close, they could have been together, but hey they weren't. Toph and Sokka could have gotten together, but they didn't. Aang & Zuko could have gotten together but they didn't. Katara & Zuko could have gotten together, but guess what, they didn't.

    So I suggest you get over it, and realize all you're arguing is a what if. Anybody could argue what ifs. What if Ozai never had an Agni Kai with Zuko and he stayed in the Fire Nation, would he have gotten with Katara? Probably not. What if instead of simply burning his face, Ozai killed Zuko.

    What ifs are good for speculation, but you can't use them as arguments, because guess what, they simply don't work.

    ^ This. The point is, it didn't happen, so you can't base a ship on 'what if'. Zuko didn't choose Katara (and vice versa) simply because the creators didn't agree with the ship and for no other reason. It has nothing to do with censorship issues.

    caseybocook: Whoa, burn much to Zuko? xD

    Um let's c a Kattang kiss is a hug and a kiss at most, a Zutara kiss would be a grope kiss at the least, so personally i think cencorship issues had somethign to do with it, and kids are its main target audiance so the main relationship has to be in a kiddy relationship instead of a passionate one (Sukka was for the teens) but that's just my opinion

    But wasn't. Plus, a loving kiss isn't always the most passionate kiss.

    Of course not, mothers kiss their children a lot (on the head and stuff)
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    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    I don't understand what the argument is about, it doesn't matter what could've happened, what matters is what did happen, and that my friends is Kataang.
    what did happen is Zuko started dating Mai and Katara never had the option
    Nor did she express interest. What is the point of arguing what ifs?
    The one chance they were alone, not fighting, and Zuko wasn't dating Mai was in the earth cave, and they had a whole 30 seconds were they were getting pretty close extremely fast before Aang crashed in
    OK sure, they got close, they could have been together, but hey they weren't. Toph and Sokka could have gotten together, but they didn't. Aang & Zuko could have gotten together but they didn't. Katara & Zuko could have gotten together, but guess what, they didn't. So I suggest you get over it, and realize all you're arguing is a what if. Anybody could argue what ifs. What if Ozai never had an Agni Kai with Zuko and he stayed in the Fire Nation, would he have gotten with Katara? Probably not. What if instead of simply burning his face, Ozai killed Zuko. What ifs are good for speculation, but you can't use them as arguments, because guess what, they simply don't work.
    ^ This. The point is, it didn't happen, so you can't base a ship on 'what if'. Zuko didn't choose Katara (and vice versa) simply because the creators didn't agree with the ship and for no other reason. It has nothing to do with censorship issues. caseybocook: Whoa, burn much to Zuko? xD
    Um let's c a Kattang kiss is a hug and a kiss at most, a Zutara kiss would be a grope kiss at the least, so personally i think cencorship issues had somethign to do with it, and kids are its main target audiance so the main relationship has to be in a kiddy relationship instead of a passionate one (Sukka was for the teens) but that's just my opinion
    But wasn't. Plus, a loving kiss isn't always the most passionate kiss.
    Of course not, mothers kiss their children a lot (on the head and stuff)
    yeah and they have nice LOOONNGGG kisses with their children too. Because ya know thats what mothers do with their children, they kiss like Aang and Katara (especially that last one)
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    isabelwhatx

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    Oh yeah. Mothers DEFINITELY use tounge for long periods of tine
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    death_soul89 wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    I don't understand what the argument is about, it doesn't matter what could've happened, what matters is what did happen, and that my friends is Kataang.

    what did happen is Zuko started dating Mai and Katara never had the option
    Nor did she express interest. What is the point of arguing what ifs?

    The one chance they were alone, not fighting, and Zuko wasn't dating Mai was in the earth cave, and they had a whole 30 seconds were they were getting pretty close extremely fast before Aang crashed in
    OK sure, they got close, they could have been together, but hey they weren't. Toph and Sokka could have gotten together, but they didn't. Aang & Zuko could have gotten together but they didn't. Katara & Zuko could have gotten together, but guess what, they didn't.

    So I suggest you get over it, and realize all you're arguing is a what if. Anybody could argue what ifs. What if Ozai never had an Agni Kai with Zuko and he stayed in the Fire Nation, would he have gotten with Katara? Probably not. What if instead of simply burning his face, Ozai killed Zuko.

    What ifs are good for speculation, but you can't use them as arguments, because guess what, they simply don't work.

    ^ This. The point is, it didn't happen, so you can't base a ship on 'what if'. Zuko didn't choose Katara (and vice versa) simply because the creators didn't agree with the ship and for no other reason. It has nothing to do with censorship issues.

    caseybocook: Whoa, burn much to Zuko? xD

    Um let's c a Kattang kiss is a hug and a kiss at most, a Zutara kiss would be a grope kiss at the least, so personally i think cencorship issues had somethign to do with it, and kids are its main target audiance so the main relationship has to be in a kiddy relationship instead of a passionate one (Sukka was for the teens) but that's just my opinion
    What the hell are you talking about? How could possibly know how a Zutara kiss would be like? You don't work on the show remember.

    I mean you're completely wrong about that, Zutara has never had a kiss, or even a hint, so how can you assume it be some sort of grope?

    The writers weren't sitting there and planning which ship better matches a target audience, no they were more focused on more important details of the epic story, rather than who ends up with who.

    You're quite the silly person, I hope this account get's banned too.
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    death_soul89

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    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    TheGreatBishop wrote:
    I don't understand what the argument is about, it doesn't matter what could've happened, what matters is what did happen, and that my friends is Kataang.
    what did happen is Zuko started dating Mai and Katara never had the option
    Nor did she express interest. What is the point of arguing what ifs?
    The one chance they were alone, not fighting, and Zuko wasn't dating Mai was in the earth cave, and they had a whole 30 seconds were they were getting pretty close extremely fast before Aang crashed in
    OK sure, they got close, they could have been together, but hey they weren't. Toph and Sokka could have gotten together, but they didn't. Aang & Zuko could have gotten together but they didn't. Katara & Zuko could have gotten together, but guess what, they didn't. So I suggest you get over it, and realize all you're arguing is a what if. Anybody could argue what ifs. What if Ozai never had an Agni Kai with Zuko and he stayed in the Fire Nation, would he have gotten with Katara? Probably not. What if instead of simply burning his face, Ozai killed Zuko. What ifs are good for speculation, but you can't use them as arguments, because guess what, they simply don't work.
    ^ This. The point is, it didn't happen, so you can't base a ship on 'what if'. Zuko didn't choose Katara (and vice versa) simply because the creators didn't agree with the ship and for no other reason. It has nothing to do with censorship issues. caseybocook: Whoa, burn much to Zuko? xD
    Um let's c a Kattang kiss is a hug and a kiss at most, a Zutara kiss would be a grope kiss at the least, so personally i think cencorship issues had somethign to do with it, and kids are its main target audiance so the main relationship has to be in a kiddy relationship instead of a passionate one (Sukka was for the teens) but that's just my opinion
    What the hell are you talking about? How could possibly know how a Zutara kiss would be like? You don't work on the show remember. I mean you're completely wrong about that, Zutara has never had a kiss, or even a hint, so how can you assume it be some sort of grope? The writers weren't sitting there and planning which ship better matches a target audience, no they were more focused on more important details of the epic story, rather than who ends up with who. You're quite the silly person, I hope this account get's banned too.
    What are you talking about, I have only one account that guy doomed_soul is great though and sent me the pic of his avatar anyways, you don't need to be on the writing staff to understand the characters, emotion towards someone doesn't just go away, and Katara went from hating Zuko tremendously to offering to use her water to heal his eye in very little time, Zutara is more physical where Kataang is like a slighty altered version of a mothers love (which makes it kinda sick), if Katara and Zuko did kiss do you honestly think a groping kiss would be out of character and as for the writters I don't really care, if you create a character you give it a bit of life, somethings you can't make them do or it would be out of character Katara kissing Zuko isn't one of them
    Edited on 08/13/2008 6:57pm
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    Yes, it would be out of character, because they would never kiss. Katara felt SORRY for Zuko. Katara is a very compassionate person. It's in her nature to try and help him. Emotion towards someone DOES go away, and it was proved when Katara gave Zuko a death threat. Doomed_soul89, you were banned/suspended for a reason. Try and learn your lesson.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Yes, it would be out of character, because they would never kiss. Katara felt SORRY for Zuko. Katara is a very compassionate person. It's in her nature to try and help him. Emotion towards someone DOES go away, and it was proved when Katara gave Zuko a death threat. Doomed_soul89, you were banned/suspended for a reason. Try and learn your lesson.

    It so wouldn't be out of character, Zuko isn't one to pity and Katara isn't one to forgive people that easily and when Katara threaten Zuko there was alot of emotion in the threat it just went from bad to good to bad and back to good the emotions, or are you saying Katara sounded like a robot when she threatened him
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    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Yes, it would be out of character, because they would never kiss. Katara felt SORRY for Zuko. Katara is a very compassionate person. It's in her nature to try and help him. Emotion towards someone DOES go away, and it was proved when Katara gave Zuko a death threat. Doomed_soul89, you were banned/suspended for a reason. Try and learn your lesson.

    It so wouldn't be out of character, Zuko isn't one to pity and Katara isn't one to forgive people that easily and when Katara threaten Zuko there was alot of emotion in the threat it just went from bad to good to bad and back to good the emotions, or are you saying Katara sounded like a robot when she threatened him

    No, I'm not. Where did you even get that from? Katara is notoriously known for her PMSing. And Katara IS one to forgive people. She's all about second chances and peace and such. I never said Zuko pitied Katara. The fact that there was so much emotion in the threat proves my point further. Emotions do come and go. Her sympathy left and anger replaced it.
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    OK sure, Zuko & Katara would have made an excellent couple and would have had wild hot sex, and groped each other when ever offered the opportunity. All of this is based, on her pittying him, and not actually forgiving him, but hey it could happen.

    But guess what it didn't. So well get over it. Zutara lost, wait no, Zutara never even had a chance, even the creators thought so.

    http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm302/suss2it/Sozin%20Comet%20Interview/
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Yes, it would be out of character, because they would never kiss. Katara felt SORRY for Zuko. Katara is a very compassionate person. It's in her nature to try and help him. Emotion towards someone DOES go away, and it was proved when Katara gave Zuko a death threat. Doomed_soul89, you were banned/suspended for a reason. Try and learn your lesson.

    It so wouldn't be out of character, Zuko isn't one to pity and Katara isn't one to forgive people that easily and when Katara threaten Zuko there was alot of emotion in the threat it just went from bad to good to bad and back to good the emotions, or are you saying Katara sounded like a robot when she threatened him

    No, I'm not. Where did you even get that from? Katara is notoriously known for her PMSing. And Katara IS one to forgive people. She's all about second chances and peace and such. I never said Zuko pitied Katara. The fact that there was so much emotion in the threat proves my point further. Emotions do come and go. Her sympathy left and anger replaced it.

    No emotions change they don't go away like energy can't be destroy but can be changed
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    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Yes, it would be out of character, because they would never kiss. Katara felt SORRY for Zuko. Katara is a very compassionate person. It's in her nature to try and help him. Emotion towards someone DOES go away, and it was proved when Katara gave Zuko a death threat. Doomed_soul89, you were banned/suspended for a reason. Try and learn your lesson.

    It so wouldn't be out of character, Zuko isn't one to pity and Katara isn't one to forgive people that easily and when Katara threaten Zuko there was alot of emotion in the threat it just went from bad to good to bad and back to good the emotions, or are you saying Katara sounded like a robot when she threatened him

    No, I'm not. Where did you even get that from? Katara is notoriously known for her PMSing. And Katara IS one to forgive people. She's all about second chances and peace and such. I never said Zuko pitied Katara. The fact that there was so much emotion in the threat proves my point further. Emotions do come and go. Her sympathy left and anger replaced it.

    No emotions change they don't go away like energy can't be destroy but can be changed

    Of course emotions go away. Ever heard of a divorce? That's when two people stop loving eachother. Their emotions go away.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Yes, it would be out of character, because they would never kiss. Katara felt SORRY for Zuko. Katara is a very compassionate person. It's in her nature to try and help him. Emotion towards someone DOES go away, and it was proved when Katara gave Zuko a death threat. Doomed_soul89, you were banned/suspended for a reason. Try and learn your lesson.

    It so wouldn't be out of character, Zuko isn't one to pity and Katara isn't one to forgive people that easily and when Katara threaten Zuko there was alot of emotion in the threat it just went from bad to good to bad and back to good the emotions, or are you saying Katara sounded like a robot when she threatened him

    No, I'm not. Where did you even get that from? Katara is notoriously known for her PMSing. And Katara IS one to forgive people. She's all about second chances and peace and such. I never said Zuko pitied Katara. The fact that there was so much emotion in the threat proves my point further. Emotions do come and go. Her sympathy left and anger replaced it.

    No emotions change they don't go away like energy can't be destroy but can be changed

    Of course emotions go away. Ever heard of a divorce? That's when two people stop loving eachother. Their emotions go away.
    Actually a divorce is when to people decide to end their marriage, not necerssarily stop loving each other.

    However it is true, that emotions can change, and "go away".
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    Eh, you know what I mean. In most cases divorce is the result of their love ending.
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    Emotions never completely go away and even if they did it would take a hell of a lot longer then half a year for them to and Katara didn't even have that long so maybe years of separation would cause them to fade (but usually if you think or see the person again they come back) but they dind't fade at all merely changed
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    death_soul89 wrote:
    Emotions never completely go away and even if they did it would take a hell of a lot longer then half a year for them to and Katara didn't even have that long so maybe years of separation would cause them to fade (but usually if you think or see the person again they come back) but they dind't fade at all merely changed

    I don't think 30 seconds worth of emotion takes years to go away. Plus, Zuko betrayed her, so it was VERY easy for her to change her mind. Her sympathy evaporated the second she realized he was against her.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    Emotions never completely go away and even if they did it would take a hell of a lot longer then half a year for them to and Katara didn't even have that long so maybe years of separation would cause them to fade (but usually if you think or see the person again they come back) but they dind't fade at all merely changed

    I don't think 30 seconds worth of emotion takes years to go away. Plus, Zuko betrayed her, so it was VERY easy for her to change her mind. Her sympathy evaporated the second she realized he was against her.

    1. It wasn't sympathy in the first place 2. she was trying to understand why he betrayed her ("I thought you changed" -Katara)
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    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    Emotions never completely go away and even if they did it would take a hell of a lot longer then half a year for them to and Katara didn't even have that long so maybe years of separation would cause them to fade (but usually if you think or see the person again they come back) but they dind't fade at all merely changed

    I don't think 30 seconds worth of emotion takes years to go away. Plus, Zuko betrayed her, so it was VERY easy for her to change her mind. Her sympathy evaporated the second she realized he was against her.

    1. It wasn't sympathy in the first place 2. she was trying to understand why he betrayed her ("I thought you changed" -Katara)

    It was definitely sympathy. Katara felt bad that Ozai cursed Zuko with a life like that. She wanted to take away the reminder. She wasn't trying to understand why he betrayed her. Honestly, she didn't care, I'm pretty sure. She seemed angry enough to not have a doubt in her mind that Zuko was the enemy.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    death_soul89 wrote:
    Emotions never completely go away and even if they did it would take a hell of a lot longer then half a year for them to and Katara didn't even have that long so maybe years of separation would cause them to fade (but usually if you think or see the person again they come back) but they dind't fade at all merely changed

    I don't think 30 seconds worth of emotion takes years to go away. Plus, Zuko betrayed her, so it was VERY easy for her to change her mind. Her sympathy evaporated the second she realized he was against her.

    1. It wasn't sympathy in the first place 2. she was trying to understand why he betrayed her ("I thought you changed" -Katara)

    It was definitely sympathy. Katara felt bad that Ozai cursed Zuko with a life like that. She wanted to take away the reminder. She wasn't trying to understand why he betrayed her. Honestly, she didn't care, I'm pretty sure. She seemed angry enough to not have a doubt in her mind that Zuko was the enemy.

    you really don't understand Katara at all, it wasn't sympathy it was empathy AND she saw something in Zuko she didn't see before, then a few minutes later it was gone (because of Azula)
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    Actually it was gone because of Zuko. He had a choice, and he chose to go against his uncle's teachings and to betray Katara, who had earlier offered to help her.

    But of course Katara digs that in a guy.
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