I think Jeong Jeong still surpasses Zuko and Azula, because he's very experienced and combined with his raw power. Zuko and Azula only have the raw power not the experience. If we could give them point of powers go to 100 I think it would be like this: Power is just the raw power, like that of the attackes. Experience is the experience they have in combat. Technique is how precise and skilled their attacks are. the number before the / is how much they have now and the number after the / is their potential. The total is for how much they have now.

post FBM Zuko. Power 80/90 experience 60 technique 80/90 total 220

Sane Azula Power 85/98 experience 60 technique 80/95 total 225

Iroh Power 90/90 experience 95 technique 95/95 total 280

Ozai Power 98/98 experience 88 technique 90/90 total 276

Jeong Jeong Power 85/85 experience 95 technique 95/95 total 275

CM Power 80/80 experience 75 technique 80/80 total 235

Zhao Power 65/70 experience 70 technique 45/55 total 170

Pre FBM Zuko power 73/80 experience 40 technique 60/70 total 173

Insane Azula Power 75/98 experience 60 technique 70/95 total 205

I think now we have a good look at how strong they are. You guys agree with this?

Nope, that is simply complicating it to an extraordinary degree. It's simple: Jeong Jeong is a master firebender with a lot of spiritual and philosophical experience who has mastered multiple levels of basic fire manipulation (he can make masses of flames and twist them into pretty much any shape he wants, and with Sozin's Comet can also propel himself to fly/hover). However, thus far he has demonstrated no knowledge of any of the advanced firebending forms - lightning, lightning re-direction, combustion attacks, coloured flames, heat absorbtion, etc. That's what distinguishes the Royal family (and the Avatar) from other firebenders - their knowledge of the higher levels of Firebending.

Well, it kinda does make it more complicating But because he can't use lightning or re-direct it, doesn't mean he can't defeat bender who can. Zuko could defeat Azula if she didn't fire lightning at Katara, so Zuko would shield her with his own body. He knocked her of balance using the yellow flames while Azula used blue ones. Iroh could do that to. And Jeong Jeong may not know advanced bending, but if you use the basics in the correct way and use them with enough power, they can be stronger as the more advanced. And just because he didn't show them, doesn't mean he can't use them. But I still can't convince you that Jeong Jeong is more powerfull as Zuko and Azula, for now when they are still young? I mean Jeong Jeong has gt like 30 years of experience in realy heavy combat. Zuko and Azula like 3 years. But as said before, we saw him fighting for only 30 seconds, so we can't say for sure how strong he is. But also the arguments I used about him knowing how strong an oponent is, doesn't that make any sense? And as far as I know, he is the only one who was able to let flames burn on water. And he has the skill to disapear in flames and flee if he wants. But may he can sneek up on an opponent to and kick ass with his fire But then again, we can't say it fore sure because we saw him do very little firebending. But his is at least one of the most powerfull benders. And btw do you think Bumi, Pakku, Katara, Toph, Hippo, Boulder, Mai, or Ty Lee could defeat him? Or the Kyoshi Warriors? I think only Bumi and Toph have a chance of beating him.

What do you mean by that? But don't you think Jeong Jeong can beat Zuko or Azula in a Agni Kai? And could Ty Lee Mai Hippo Boulder or Pakku beat him in a fight?

Beating someone in a fight does not necessarily equal being more powerful than them. The final battle in CoD is pefect proof of this: examine it from the view that if you beat someone you are more powerful than them and it doesn't make sense. In their skirmish, Katara managed to beat Azula (never mind that several minute prior Azula was easily able to deflect a number of far more powerful attacks). That would imply that Katara is more powerful than Azula. But Zuko had what was more or less a draw with Katara, so that would mean that Zuko is equally powerful to Katara. However, Zuko was beaten by Aang, so that would mean that Aang is more powerful than Zuko and Katara. Except when Aang and Azula fought, Azula pwned Aang with her first shot. So that would mean that Azula is more powerful than Aang by several magnitudes. Except that according to the "beating someone means you are more powerful than them" rule, Azula should never have even been able to touch Aang, because she had previously come off worse in afight against Katara, who was clearlyy less powerful than Aang.

It just doesn't work that way.

Well, since I can't convince anyone here Jeong Jeong is at least equaly powerfull as Azula and Zuko, I'm going to give up on that. But still I believe he is, since he will never underestimate an opponent, and probably also wouldn't fall for some trick, and has lots of experience in combat and he is a talented firebender. And even if he may not win, he could sereiously injure both Azula and Zuko in a fight, and put up a good match. And who know's, maybe he has some powers he didn't show us yet. But at least you have to admit he's wiser than Azula

But is this a reasonably ranking:

1 Ozai

2 Iroh

3/4/5 Followed very close by Jeong Jeong or Zuko or Sane Azula. (please do not start to debate again since we all can't convince each other so it's quite useless to argue about that. I'll stop to about if Jeong Jeong is stronger or not)

6 Insane Azula

7 Combustion Man

8 Pre FBM Zuko

9 Zhao

Can everybody agree on that? If yes, now let's make a top 20 of all benders together, of all elements. (PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE AANG SINCE HE WOULD BE ON TOP ANYWAY, and no dead people. Ozai is allowed.)