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    TitanPredator

    [201]Aug 16, 2008
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    tawn11 wrote:

    I feel like Azula didnt 100% fully win the Agni Kai. Although she did strike Zuko with lightning- an Agni Kai is an Agni Kai, a one on one with no interruptions. One person is to be defeated while another is to be the victor. I feel like Azula broke out of the Agni Kai when she targeted Katara, she is not part of the Agni Kai, therefore Azula also broke out of the Agni Kai when aiming for Katara.

    And before the Agni Kai, Azula said: "Just you and me brother". Not including Katara.

    Good point there. But my opinion is that Zuko is more powerfull than the insane Azula. Sane Azula is probably stronger than Zuko.

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    libraman_92

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    TitanPredator wrote:
    tawn11 wrote:

    I feel like Azula didnt 100% fully win the Agni Kai. Although she did strike Zuko with lightning- an Agni Kai is an Agni Kai, a one on one with no interruptions. One person is to be defeated while another is to be the victor. I feel like Azula broke out of the Agni Kai when she targeted Katara, she is not part of the Agni Kai, therefore Azula also broke out of the Agni Kai when aiming for Katara.

    And before the Agni Kai, Azula said: "Just you and me brother". Not including Katara.

    Good point there. But my opinion is that Zuko is more powerfull than the insane Azula. Sane Azula is probably stronger than Zuko.



    i think they both, when sane, are evenly-matched.
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    TitanPredator

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    libraman_92 wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    tawn11 wrote:

    I feel like Azula didnt 100% fully win the Agni Kai. Although she did strike Zuko with lightning- an Agni Kai is an Agni Kai, a one on one with no interruptions. One person is to be defeated while another is to be the victor. I feel like Azula broke out of the Agni Kai when she targeted Katara, she is not part of the Agni Kai, therefore Azula also broke out of the Agni Kai when aiming for Katara.

    And before the Agni Kai, Azula said: "Just you and me brother". Not including Katara.

    Good point there. But my opinion is that Zuko is more powerfull than the insane Azula. Sane Azula is probably stronger than Zuko.

    i think they both, when sane, are evenly-matched.

    Well, Zuko admitted he'd need help when he thought Azula was still sane, so I think he's slightly less powerfull. But do you think there is a difference between most powerfull and skilled in fighting? Who will win. Bumi vs Azula Jeong Jeong vs Azla Jeong Jeong vs Zuko.

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    SalKing2

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    TitanPredator wrote:
    libraman_92 wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    tawn11 wrote:

    I feel like Azula didnt 100% fully win the Agni Kai. Although she did strike Zuko with lightning- an Agni Kai is an Agni Kai, a one on one with no interruptions. One person is to be defeated while another is to be the victor. I feel like Azula broke out of the Agni Kai when she targeted Katara, she is not part of the Agni Kai, therefore Azula also broke out of the Agni Kai when aiming for Katara.

    And before the Agni Kai, Azula said: "Just you and me brother". Not including Katara.

    Good point there. But my opinion is that Zuko is more powerfull than the insane Azula. Sane Azula is probably stronger than Zuko.

    i think they both, when sane, are evenly-matched.

    Well, Zuko admitted he'd need help when he thought Azula was still sane, so I think he's slightly less powerfull. But do you think there is a difference between most powerfull and skilled in fighting? Who will win. Bumi vs Azula Jeong Jeong vs Azla Jeong Jeong vs Zuko.

    Bumi vs Azula: Bumi Wins
    Jeong Jeong vs Azula: Azula Wins
    Jeong Jeong vs Zuko: Jeong Jeong Wins

    I actually think insane Azula could have beaten Zuko. Sure, she cheated and everything, but I believe Azula would have won using her remaining cunningness or insanity. But to me, I don't think anyone won the Agni Kai because Katara interfered due to Azula.

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    Jackson5050

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    This is difficult for me to say, but Azula would not have won the Agni Kai had she not directed lightning at Katara. She was simply a different Azula when she fought in that Agni Kai. She did not regulate her breath and her form was poor compared to how it usually is. However, she did retain her resourcefulness and that is what allowed her to direct lightning at Katara and defeat Zuko.
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    libraman_92

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    Jackson5050 wrote:
    This is difficult for me to say, but Azula would not have won the Agni Kai had she not directed lightning at Katara. She was simply a different Azula when she fought in that Agni Kai. She did not regulate her breath and her form was poor compared to how it usually is. However, she did retain her resourcefulness and that is what allowed her to direct lightning at Katara and defeat Zuko.


    its okay, you'll get over it
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    sportsdude206

    [207]Aug 16, 2008
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    Here are my rankings:

    Fire
    1: Iroh
    2: Ozai
    3: Jeong-Jeong
    4: Azula
    5: Zuko

    Water
    1: Pakku 2: Katara
    Pakku can learn to bloodbend just as easily as katara did

    Earth
    1: Bumi
    2: Toph
    "Metal is just earth that has been refined" (Guru Pathik) Toph learned to bend it and so can Bumi. Bumi is also much stronger at regular earthbending as seen by his retakeover of Omashu
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    libraman_92

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    sportsdude206 wrote:
    Here are my rankings:

    Fire
    1: Iroh
    2: Ozai
    3: Jeong-Jeong
    4: Azula
    5: Zuko

    Water
    1: Pakku 2: Katara
    Pakku can learn to bloodbend just as easily as katara did

    Earth
    1: Bumi
    2: Toph
    "Metal is just earth that has been refined" (Guru Pathik) Toph learned to bend it and so can Bumi. Bumi is also much stronger at regular earthbending as seen by his retakeover of Omashu


    im pretty sure bumi can't bend metal.
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    zuko_thebeast

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    TitanPredator wrote:

    So, now we all have seen the new epi's, who do you guys think is the most powerfull bender of each element? Don't include Aang.

    My opinion,

    Fire 1. Jeong Jeong, if you look at how easy he took out the tanks. And I think he knows that fire is life, but he also knows fire brings distruction if you don't control it. He is probably traumatized. #2 is Iroh #3 Ozai #4 Zuko #5 Azula

    Earth !. Bumi #2 Toph

    Water 1 Katara #2 Pakku

    What do you guy's think.

    how could katara be better than pakku when katara wouldn't be close to where she is without pakku

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    libraman_92

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    zuko_thebeast wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    So, now we all have seen the new epi's, who do you guys think is the most powerfull bender of each element? Don't include Aang.

    My opinion,

    Fire 1. Jeong Jeong, if you look at how easy he took out the tanks. And I think he knows that fire is life, but he also knows fire brings distruction if you don't control it. He is probably traumatized. #2 is Iroh #3 Ozai #4 Zuko #5 Azula

    Earth !. Bumi #2 Toph

    Water 1 Katara #2 Pakku

    What do you guy's think.

    how could katara be better than pakku when katara wouldn't be close to where she is without pakku



    she's 2nd in line to Pakku
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    Axrendale

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    Jackson5050 wrote:
    This is difficult for me to say, but Azula would not have won the Agni Kai had she not directed lightning at Katara. She was simply a different Azula when she fought in that Agni Kai. She did not regulate her breath and her form was poor compared to how it usually is. However, she did retain her resourcefulness and that is what allowed her to direct lightning at Katara and defeat Zuko.

    No, she wouldn't have

    But personally, I like that. It is a testament to the strength of villain that was created in Azula that it wasn't enough for Zuko to become stronger in order to beat her - Azula had to be diminished in order for Zuko to surpass her. It was insinuated in TBR and TSR that after Zuko learned original firebending they were dead evenly matched in raw firebending skill and power. But when tactics and general strategies were added to the mix, it was clear that Zuko was still marjorly out-classed. So for the final Agni Kai, Azula had to be stripped of her greatest weapon - her mind.

    To sum it up mathematically:

    Sane Azula > Post FBM Zuko > Insane Azula > Pre FBM Zuko.

    But still, I stand by my statement that in many ways, Zuko almost deserved to get blasted by lightning for being so stupid. I mean, come on. He just told Azula, out loud, that he could redirect lightning. And then, when she gathered up a lightning bolt, he really expected her to shoot it at him? Granted, it was definitely showing that she was unhinged. But still, you'd have thought that he'd have a bit more respect for her as an opponent than that.

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    libraman_92

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Jackson5050 wrote:
    This is difficult for me to say, but Azula would not have won the Agni Kai had she not directed lightning at Katara. She was simply a different Azula when she fought in that Agni Kai. She did not regulate her breath and her form was poor compared to how it usually is. However, she did retain her resourcefulness and that is what allowed her to direct lightning at Katara and defeat Zuko.

    No, she wouldn't have

    But personally, I like that. It is a testament to the strength of villain that was created in Azula that it wasn't enough for Zuko to become stronger in order to beat her - Azula had to be diminished in order for Zuko to surpass her. It was insinuated in TBR and TSR that after Zuko learned original firebending they were dead evenly matched in raw firebending skill and power. But when tactics and general strategies were added to the mix, it was clear that Zuko was still marjorly out-classed. So for the final Agni Kai, Azula had to be stripped of her greatest weapon - her mind.

    To sum it up mathematically:

    Sane Azula > Post FBM Zuko > Insane Azula > Pre FBM Zuko.

    But still, I stand by my statement that in many ways, Zuko almost deserved to get blasted by lightning for being so stupid. I mean, come on. He just told Azula, out loud, that he could redirect lightning. And then, when she gathered up a lightning bolt, he really expected her to shoot it at him? Granted, it was definitely showing that she was unhinged. But still, you'd have thought that he'd have a bit more respect for her as an opponent than that.



    i see axrendale still stands by azula. and another thing, axrendale, how about we begin to begin stuff in the which nation are you? forum? it'll go you, me, EmHaruno, then isabelwhatx or something like that.
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    Axrendale

    [213]Aug 16, 2008
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    I have found proof that Azula beats Zuko (even if they both get beaten by Iroh).

    Note that I never said what she beats him at.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8KtqchLcA

    *flees*

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:

    I have found proof that Azula beats Zuko (even if they both get beaten by Iroh).

    Note that I never said what she beats him at.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8KtqchLcA

    *flees*


    ROFLMAO! That's great. Azula can do anything better than Zuko!
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    Axrendale

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    I have found proof that Azula beats Zuko (even if they both get beaten by Iroh).

    Note that I never said what she beats him at.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8KtqchLcA

    *flees*

    ROFLMAO! That's great. Azula can do anything better than Zuko!

    QFT

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    isabelwhatx

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    But, seriously, Azula was going to lose. But I don't really care much, because in the end she actually won. She used her surroundings to achieve a short lived victory.
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    Axrendale

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    And therein lies the glory of Azula - when she can't win, she makes sure that the other guy can't win either.

    Sadly, in the end she was brought low by the age old rule that in the end, the good guys must win

    Still, this allows us Azula fans to triumphantly trumpet that Sane Azula would have won easily

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:

    And therein lies the glory of Azula - when she can't win, she makes sure that the other guy can't win either.

    Sadly, in the end she was brought low by the age old rule that in the end, the good guys must win

    Still, this allows us Azula fans to triumphantly trumpet that Sane Azula would have won easily


    Oh, no doubt. Sane Azula is insane (HA! Get it?). I mean, I think she might even rival Ozai. I don't think she'd win, but she's much more agile than Ozai. Ozai focuses more on power, which won't lead to an easy victory against Azula. Or, I could just be on an Azula hype and be telling myself things...
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    Axrendale

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    And therein lies the glory of Azula - when she can't win, she makes sure that the other guy can't win either.

    Sadly, in the end she was brought low by the age old rule that in the end, the good guys must win

    Still, this allows us Azula fans to triumphantly trumpet that Sane Azula would have won easily

    Oh, no doubt. Sane Azula is insane (HA! Get it?). I mean, I think she might even rival Ozai. I don't think she'd win, but she's much more agile than Ozai. Ozai focuses more on power, which won't lead to an easy victory against Azula. Or, I could just be on an Azula hype and be telling myself things...

    As much as it hurts to say it... I don't think that Azula could stand up to Ozai yet, at least not in open combat. Not in open combat however, Azula definitely has a chance. Remember, back in "The Chase", she managed to get Iroh but good, and Iroh was almost as powerful as Ozai.

    But remember, Azula is ony 14-15 years old. She's nowhere near reached her peak, and yet she's already up there in the top five (arguably top three). Assuming that she manages to snap out of her mental crisis, who knows what she'll be capable of by the time she's an adult?

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    isabelwhatx

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    I think that within a couple of years (if she hadn't gone insane and spent her time practicing instead of consuming her time chasing Zuko/Aang) she'll be able to stand up to Ozai. Honestly, Ozai only has raw power. He really doesn't have that many good moves other than BAM shoot fire. Azula has that AND her superior intellect.
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