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    Axrendale

    [481]Aug 26, 2008
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    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.
    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.

    Jeong Jeong knew Aang wasn't ready for firebending, while Roku thought he was, so. Iroh never believed Azula, and in a 1 0n 1 fight, he wouldn't have believed her. And we are talking now about a 1 on 1 fight. And anyway, Jeong Jeong could also start talking about her mother, how her friend betrayed her, how she couldn't handle the resposibily of being Firelord, and then she collapses once again, and then she will get her ass kicked.

    When I said Azula tricked Iroh, I was actually referring to "The Chase", which pretty much establishes that Azula can trick wise old guys in combat.

    And I think that you're giving Jeong Jeong just a little bit too much credit. Just because he successfully analyze a person's martial arts abilities by looking at them, it in no way means that he instantly determines absolutely everything that there possibly is to know about them. He's a martial arts master, not a mind reader - there's no way he could know about Azula's vulnerability regarding her mother or her friends' betrayal.

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!!

    On the poles there is alot of water, and I'm prity sure Huu can also freeze water and bender regular water, not only plants. So onthe poles I think Huu would own Hama, just like in a Swamp.

    And yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    Wait a minute... You think Huu could beat Hama in either the North Pole or the South Pole? That is the EXACT, identical equivalent, to me saying Hama could beat Huu in the Swamp... Huu grew up in the Swamp, around Plants, Hama only knows a couple Plant-Bending techniques, where as Huu has grown up around Plants his whole ENTIRE life... It's little experience with plants vs mastery of plants. Huu would beat Hama in the swamp... Hama and Huu in the Poles is the EXACT same situation, except the other way round. Hama grew up in the South Pole, around Ice and Snow, Huu only knows a couple Ice-Bending techniques, where as Hama has grown up around Ice and Snow her whole ENTIRE life (apart from when she was captured)... It's little experience with Ice and Snow vs mastery with ice and snow... Hama would beat Huu in the poles. Do you see what I mean?
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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Lol, I know he would probably lose. But I'm just pointing out he is ALSO self taught. And Hama has not mastered every form of waterbending. It has never been said that she was a master.
    But he is not self-taught in every form of Waterbending like Hama is,

    Not true. Hamma grew up surrounded by other waterbenders who taught her how to bend. I will admit she's a master, though.
    Great point... But I think if Hama was to teach herself, right from the beginning, she would still have the same mastery of Waterbending she has now. It's no secret that she is as resourceful as a bender (of any element) can get.
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    TitanPredator

    [484]Aug 26, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.
    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.

    Jeong Jeong knew Aang wasn't ready for firebending, while Roku thought he was, so. Iroh never believed Azula, and in a 1 0n 1 fight, he wouldn't have believed her. And we are talking now about a 1 on 1 fight. And anyway, Jeong Jeong could also start talking about her mother, how her friend betrayed her, how she couldn't handle the resposibily of being Firelord, and then she collapses once again, and then she will get her ass kicked.
    I'm sure he wouldn't be able to get that from her. No one knows about it except for her and possibly Zuko. Plus, Azula is pretty heartless. Even when everyone was screaming and crying in The Beach, when Azula made her confession she was only slightly moved. It would take much more than a few words to get her to collapse. I'm sure Azula could find some way to trick Jeong Jeong. She could taunt him about how he's afraid of fire and that he shouldn't use it. THAT would be very plain to see. When Jeong Jeong would fight he would have a slight moment of hesitation and Azula would recognize that.

    That's true. But I doubt his hesitation will give her enough time to hit wiht lightning. But as I said befor, we will NEVER agree on this one. Maybe we could mail the creators of avatar and wait for an answer or something?

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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    [QUOTE="TitanPredator"]

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!! Yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    But Azula ALSO knows people weakness's within seconds... Did you see The Boiling Rock Part 2, where at one point she just walked into a room, looked at an average, every-day man (being interogated) for about 2 seconds, and new he was telling the truth... I'm 100% sure she could transform that into knowing people's weak points in their life... She said it (confidently) herself, she's a "people person". A similar showing of this is when she read Long Feng like a perfectly written Fire Nation book... She knew how he had got power, and she knew his entire life story and way of getting about in every-day life. Hell, she even knew he was going to betray her, arguably before he even did. This is similar to Jeong Jeong knowing people by the time he has seen/met them. Are you sure Jeong Jeong wouldn't fall for ANYTHING Azula says? Who is to say she couldn't remind/taunt him of his old army days and the horrible things he has seen/caused...? Jeong Jeong isn't invincible, he falls for things too. Besides, Azula is the goddes of manipulation and picking out people's bad points and she makes it look like a cakewalk. If there is one person who could make Jeong Jeong crack, it's her...
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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.
    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.

    Jeong Jeong knew Aang wasn't ready for firebending, while Roku thought he was, so. Iroh never believed Azula, and in a 1 0n 1 fight, he wouldn't have believed her. And we are talking now about a 1 on 1 fight. And anyway, Jeong Jeong could also start talking about her mother, how her friend betrayed her, how she couldn't handle the resposibily of being Firelord, and then she collapses once again, and then she will get her ass kicked.
    I'm sure he wouldn't be able to get that from her. No one knows about it except for her and possibly Zuko. Plus, Azula is pretty heartless. Even when everyone was screaming and crying in The Beach, when Azula made her confession she was only slightly moved. It would take much more than a few words to get her to collapse. I'm sure Azula could find some way to trick Jeong Jeong. She could taunt him about how he's afraid of fire and that he shouldn't use it. THAT would be very plain to see. When Jeong Jeong would fight he would have a slight moment of hesitation and Azula would recognize that.

    That's true. But I doubt his hesitation will give her enough time to hit wiht lightning. But as I said befor, we will NEVER agree on this one. Maybe we could mail the creators of avatar and wait for an answer or something?
    But it can be argued that if Azula tries her full hardest, there is a slim, but strong, chance she could create lightning as fast as Ozai can. As I have mentioned countless times, we haven't seen her try to create lightning in any hurry. Bryke, probably wouldn't have an answer, knowing those two, they would probably leave it to the fans to decide, as they most likely would want to upset Azula or Jeong Jeong's fans... Thinking about it, they probably get mail and questions like that all the time. But it's a decent idea...
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    TitanPredator

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    [QUOTE="ThisCrazyGuy"]
    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!! Yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    But Azula ALSO knows people weakness's within seconds... Did you see The Boiling Rock Part 2, where at one point she just walked into a room, looked at an average, every-day man (being interogated) for about 2 seconds, and new he was telling the truth... I'm 100% sure she could transform that into knowing people's weak points in their life... She said it (confidently) herself, she's a "people person". A similar showing of this is when she read Long Feng like a perfectly written Fire Nation book... She knew how he had got power, and she knew his entire life story and way of getting about in every-day life. Hell, she even knew he was going to betray her, arguably before he even did. This is similar to Jeong Jeong knowing people by the time he has seen/met them. Are you sure Jeong Jeong wouldn't fall for ANYTHING Azula says? Who is to say she couldn't remind/taunt him of his old army days and the horrible things he has seen/caused...? Jeong Jeong isn't invincible, he falls for things too. Besides, Azula is the goddes of manipulation and picking out people's bad points and she makes it look like a cakewalk. If there is one person who could make Jeong Jeong crack, it's her...

    You have a point there. She could taunt him with the things he saw in the army. I know Jeong Jeong is not invincible, but Azula isn't either. I can't help it, but I still think JJ can beat her. We will never agree on that. Do you have any sugestions for a next point of discussion?

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    Axrendale

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    Axrendale wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.
    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.

    Jeong Jeong knew Aang wasn't ready for firebending, while Roku thought he was, so. Iroh never believed Azula, and in a 1 0n 1 fight, he wouldn't have believed her. And we are talking now about a 1 on 1 fight. And anyway, Jeong Jeong could also start talking about her mother, how her friend betrayed her, how she couldn't handle the resposibily of being Firelord, and then she collapses once again, and then she will get her ass kicked.

    When I said Azula tricked Iroh, I was actually referring to "The Chase", which pretty much establishes that Azula can trick wise old guys in combat.

    And I think that you're giving Jeong Jeong just a little bit too much credit. Just because he successfully analyze a person's martial arts abilities by looking at them, it in no way means that he instantly determines absolutely everything that there possibly is to know about them. He's a martial arts master, not a mind reader - there's no way he could know about Azula's vulnerability regarding her mother or her friends' betrayal.

    *clears throat*

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    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!!

    On the poles there is alot of water, and I'm prity sure Huu can also freeze water and bender regular water, not only plants. So onthe poles I think Huu would own Hama, just like in a Swamp.

    And yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    Wait a minute... You think Huu could beat Hama in either the North Pole or the South Pole? That is the EXACT, identical equivalent, to me saying Hama could beat Huu in the Swamp... Huu grew up in the Swamp, around Plants, Hama only knows a couple Plant-Bending techniques, where as Huu has grown up around Plants his whole ENTIRE life... It's little experience with plants vs mastery of plants. Huu would beat Hama in the swamp... Hama and Huu in the Poles is the EXACT same situation, except the other way round. Hama grew up in the South Pole, around Ice and Snow, Huu only knows a couple Ice-Bending techniques, where as Hama has grown up around Ice and Snow her whole ENTIRE life (apart from when she was captured)... It's little experience with Ice and Snow vs mastery with ice and snow... Hama would beat Huu in the poles. Do you see what I mean?
    And you can't really say Huu is capable of bending Ice/Snow if we haven't seen him do so. It's like the situation with Jeong Jeong not being able to create Lightning to compete with Azula, or Pakku not being able to Blood-Bend or Plant-Bend to compete with Katara... We can't just assume Huu is capable of Ice-Bending, if we haven't seen him do so. If there ever was a time where Huu bended ice, please tell me.
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    Axrendale

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    This thread should be retitled the Azula/Jeong Jeong battlefield.

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    [QUOTE="TitanPredator"]
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!! Yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    But Azula ALSO knows people weakness's within seconds... Did you see The Boiling Rock Part 2, where at one point she just walked into a room, looked at an average, every-day man (being interogated) for about 2 seconds, and new he was telling the truth... I'm 100% sure she could transform that into knowing people's weak points in their life... She said it (confidently) herself, she's a "people person". A similar showing of this is when she read Long Feng like a perfectly written Fire Nation book... She knew how he had got power, and she knew his entire life story and way of getting about in every-day life. Hell, she even knew he was going to betray her, arguably before he even did. This is similar to Jeong Jeong knowing people by the time he has seen/met them. Are you sure Jeong Jeong wouldn't fall for ANYTHING Azula says? Who is to say she couldn't remind/taunt him of his old army days and the horrible things he has seen/caused...? Jeong Jeong isn't invincible, he falls for things too. Besides, Azula is the goddes of manipulation and picking out people's bad points and she makes it look like a cakewalk. If there is one person who could make Jeong Jeong crack, it's her...

    You have a point there. She could taunt him with the things he saw in the army. I know Jeong Jeong is not invincible, but Azula isn't either. I can't help it, but I still think JJ can beat her. We will never agree on that. Do you have any sugestions for a next point of discussion?
    Well, I never said Azula was invincible, but she is more mentally evil/powerful (while sane) than Jeong Jeong is. Umm, I think we should keep it on the subject of benders as this is very interesting... I previously said that we could compare benders from other elements, but it turned into a funny discussion about Bumi and Azula having sex and having babies. LOL
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    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!!

    On the poles there is alot of water, and I'm prity sure Huu can also freeze water and bender regular water, not only plants. So onthe poles I think Huu would own Hama, just like in a Swamp.

    And yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    Wait a minute... You think Huu could beat Hama in either the North Pole or the South Pole? That is the EXACT, identical equivalent, to me saying Hama could beat Huu in the Swamp... Huu grew up in the Swamp, around Plants, Hama only knows a couple Plant-Bending techniques, where as Huu has grown up around Plants his whole ENTIRE life... It's little experience with plants vs mastery of plants. Huu would beat Hama in the swamp... Hama and Huu in the Poles is the EXACT same situation, except the other way round. Hama grew up in the South Pole, around Ice and Snow, Huu only knows a couple Ice-Bending techniques, where as Hama has grown up around Ice and Snow her whole ENTIRE life (apart from when she was captured)... It's little experience with Ice and Snow vs mastery with ice and snow... Hama would beat Huu in the poles. Do you see what I mean?
    And you can't really say Huu is capable of bending Ice/Snow if we haven't seen him do so. It's like the situation with Jeong Jeong not being able to create Lightning to compete with Azula, or Pakku not being able to Blood-Bend or Plant-Bend to compete with Katara... We can't just assume Huu is capable of Ice-Bending, if we haven't seen him do so. If there ever was a time where Huu bended ice, please tell me.
    So in this conclusion, Hama would beat Huu under a full moon and in either of the poles.
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    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.
    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.

    Jeong Jeong knew Aang wasn't ready for firebending, while Roku thought he was, so. Iroh never believed Azula, and in a 1 0n 1 fight, he wouldn't have believed her. And we are talking now about a 1 on 1 fight. And anyway, Jeong Jeong could also start talking about her mother, how her friend betrayed her, how she couldn't handle the resposibily of being Firelord, and then she collapses once again, and then she will get her ass kicked.
    I'm sure he wouldn't be able to get that from her. No one knows about it except for her and possibly Zuko. Plus, Azula is pretty heartless. Even when everyone was screaming and crying in The Beach, when Azula made her confession she was only slightly moved. It would take much more than a few words to get her to collapse. I'm sure Azula could find some way to trick Jeong Jeong. She could taunt him about how he's afraid of fire and that he shouldn't use it. THAT would be very plain to see. When Jeong Jeong would fight he would have a slight moment of hesitation and Azula would recognize that.

    That's true. But I doubt his hesitation will give her enough time to hit wiht lightning. But as I said befor, we will NEVER agree on this one. Maybe we could mail the creators of avatar and wait for an answer or something?
    But it can be argued that if Azula tries her full hardest, there is a slim, but strong, chance she could create lightning as fast as Ozai can. As I have mentioned countless times, we haven't seen her try to create lightning in any hurry. Bryke, probably wouldn't have an answer, knowing those two, they would probably leave it to the fans to decide, as they most likely would want to upset Azula or Jeong Jeong's fans... Thinking about it, they probably get mail and questions like that all the time. But it's a decent idea...
    Oops, I mean to say they WOULDN'T want to upset Azula or Jeong Jeong's fans... LOL
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    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!!

    On the poles there is alot of water, and I'm prity sure Huu can also freeze water and bender regular water, not only plants. So onthe poles I think Huu would own Hama, just like in a Swamp.

    And yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    I was actually just playfully hyping Azula up, by mentioning a few, of her many other extrodinary abilities... Just like you were once mentioning Jeong Jeong can balance/concentrate flames on Water. I never said that he heart-beat would play any part in this battle...
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Iroh is just as wise (if not wiser) than Jeong Jeong and Azula found a way to convince him to get on her navy ship to be captured in the second book. The only person she couldn't trick could possibly be Toph, but even then I'm doubtful. And it doesn't matter, Azula really doesn't have a weakness except for her insanity and her lack of killing her opponent immediately. If it was a one on one fight, Jeong Jeong would be long gone because her second weakness wouldn't come into play and we're assuming she's not insane yet.
    I agree with this.
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    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?
    And this.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.

    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.
    And this.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    Axrendale wrote:
    Iroh, Ozai, Zuko, the gaang, Long Feng - it's very, very hard to find someone who hasn't fallen for Azula's tricks at some point or another. If Azula can trick all of those people, what makes Jeong Jeong any different?

    He's a bit blunt, sometimes. He was wiser that Roku. And Zuko isn't very smart. Iroh went to protect Zuko, he didn't fall for her tricks. The gaang are just children. Long Feng was impressive though. But what could she possibly trick Jeong Jeong with. He would probably ignore her, just like Iroh would in a 1 vs 1 fight.
    It doesn't matter WHY Iroh did what he did, Azula still managed to get him to do it, which means she tricked him. Who said Jeong Jeong was more wise than Roku? Roku might've been a bit childish with his decisions, but he isn't exactly dumb.

    Jeong Jeong knew Aang wasn't ready for firebending, while Roku thought he was, so. Iroh never believed Azula, and in a 1 0n 1 fight, he wouldn't have believed her. And we are talking now about a 1 on 1 fight. And anyway, Jeong Jeong could also start talking about her mother, how her friend betrayed her, how she couldn't handle the resposibily of being Firelord, and then she collapses once again, and then she will get her ass kicked.

    I'm sure he wouldn't be able to get that from her. No one knows about it except for her and possibly Zuko. Plus, Azula is pretty heartless. Even when everyone was screaming and crying in The Beach, when Azula made her confession she was only slightly moved. It would take much more than a few words to get her to collapse. I'm sure Azula could find some way to trick Jeong Jeong. She could taunt him about how he's afraid of fire and that he shouldn't use it. THAT would be very plain to see. When Jeong Jeong would fight he would have a slight moment of hesitation and Azula would recognize that.
    And definitely this... LOL
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    TitanPredator wrote:
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    TitanPredator wrote:

    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    He's like Combustion Man - he might look good, and his attacks might be big and flashy, but get him outside of his ideal environment, and he doesn't fare so well.
    Hmm, that's true.
    thiscrazyguy wrote:
    He is extremely powerful, probably could beat Hama in most places and situations (apart from the full moon). But Hama has had to discover all these techniques by herself... Blood-Bending, Plant-Bending, pulling Water out of thin Air. She has had to learn this all by herself, with no teacher or guide, so at least give her that.
    So did the monster bending weed WOOT guy. No one else in the tribe does what he does.
    But I am talking about EVERY single Waterbending form... Hama has them all covered and mastered... Just like Katara has every single Waterbending form mastered. There isn't one thing either oh them two CAN'T do with Water. What on earth would Huu do against Hama in either of the poles or a desert or under a full moon...? What if there is no form of plant-life around...? Yeah, sure, in places like a desert, he might be able to pull water out of cactus's or something, but he is going top need so much more than that. Under a full moon, we know he would die, in the poles (there is nothing more than grass in the spirit oasis of the North Pole) he would probably get defeated 9-1 (and I'm being nice to him). Virtually any other place without plants, is his weaknedd... If it was on sheer, flat land, he would get defeated, as Hama can pull Water out of thin Air. Hama is overall the more powerful bender in my views... And while I am at it, yes, Axrendale, you are right, I mentioned this about 5 pages ago , the fact that Azula was able to out-smart The Avatar, The most powerful Earthbender in the whole damn show, and Sokka (he is very smart and intelligent, is thought of as the brains of the operation), just goes to show. She also challenged Toph's (thought to be uniquely unmatched) senses by controling her own heart-beat, and out-ran Aang (who is meant to be intensely, extremely fast (especially considering his Airbending backround (they are known to run faster than almost anything by controling air currents))), TOPH, who is probably a fast runner (to be fair on Toph, she could have just tunneled threw the Earth, but I'll leave that debate for another day), and Sokka, a fast runner too. USING HER SIGNATURE MANIPULATION AND LEGENDARY TACTICS, SHE DID ALL OF THIS IN THE COURSE OF 8 MINUTES... WITHOUT HER BENDING!!!! Yes, Azula showed some crazy things, but I still think JJ can beat her. JJ is very wise, he will NEVER EVER fall for Azula's tricks. Azula can might have a chance at winning if she can outlast him. I'm sure she can, but I'm also prity sure Jeong Jeong can find a way to defeat Azula. Jeong Jeong probably knows her weaknesses within seconds. He can tell by her stands, the way she walks. AND CONTROLING YOU HARTBEAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AZULA CAN'T HIDE HOW SHE WALKS AND STANDS. Just my view of it. We will never agree on that.
    But Azula ALSO knows people weakness's within seconds... Did you see The Boiling Rock Part 2, where at one point she just walked into a room, looked at an average, every-day man (being interogated) for about 2 seconds, and new he was telling the truth... I'm 100% sure she could transform that into knowing people's weak points in their life... She said it (confidently) herself, she's a "people person". A similar showing of this is when she read Long Feng like a perfectly written Fire Nation book... She knew how he had got power, and she knew his entire life story and way of getting about in every-day life. Hell, she even knew he was going to betray her, arguably before he even did. This is similar to Jeong Jeong knowing people by the time he has seen/met them. Are you sure Jeong Jeong wouldn't fall for ANYTHING Azula says? Who is to say she couldn't remind/taunt him of his old army days and the horrible things he has seen/caused...? Jeong Jeong isn't invincible, he falls for things too. Besides, Azula is the goddes of manipulation and picking out people's bad points and she makes it look like a cakewalk. If there is one person who could make Jeong Jeong crack, it's her...

    You have a point there. She could taunt him with the things he saw in the army. I know Jeong Jeong is not invincible, but Azula isn't either. I can't help it, but I still think JJ can beat her. We will never agree on that. Do you have any sugestions for a next point of discussion?
    Well, I never said Azula was invincible, but she is more mentally evil/powerful (while sane) than Jeong Jeong is. Umm, I think we should keep it on the subject of benders as this is very interesting... I previously said that we could compare benders from other elements, but it turned into a funny discussion about Bumi and Azula having sex and having babies. LOL

    I wonder what the kids would be like? With two parents that smart and that insane, and with a mother that hot and a father that ugly... how would they turn out? How they would be raised would also be an issue.

    We should start a new thread - the "If Bumi and Azula had a child, what would the child be like" thread

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