| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| I agree that Toph is the greatest earthbender in her time, but we don't know enough about past earthbenders to be able to say she was the greatest EVER. But I do find it skeptical that anyone could pwn Toph. |
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| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| I agree that Toph is the greatest earthbender in her time, but we don't know enough about past earthbenders to be able to say she was the greatest EVER. But I do find it skeptical that anyone could pwn Toph. |
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| I agree that Toph is the greatest earthbender in her time, but we don't know enough about past earthbenders to be able to say she was the greatest EVER. But I do find it skeptical that anyone could pwn Toph. |
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Oh don't get me wrong, defeating Bumi would be the hardest thing for her to accomplish, she would LITERALLY be in for the Earthbending fight of her young life, and I am convinced that Bumi would take her to her VERY limit, but Toph would still win... I never said Bumi was weak, I said he doesn't quite measure up...
To be honest I think she could take him (again, this would be very hard for her) even if he was in his prime... If he was young, in his best physical condition, state, and manner, I still think Toph would win. It would be hell for her, but I believe she could do it... Earthbending isn't just a Martial Art to her like it is to others... It's literally her way of communicating with the world, and she is Earthbending virtually 24/7 (to see and sense).
Bumi is my second favourite member of The White Lotus (he MIGHT actually be my first (sorry Iroh ), he is my second favourite Earthbender, and he is the funniest man ever (in Avatar), so please don't think I dislike him or anything.
| Axrendale wrote: |
| I think regular Aang will actually eventually surpass Toph in earthbending. Even without the Avatar State, the Avatar is still the most powerful being in the world - Aang has already been seen to pull off some pretty wild moves, and according to the finale, he still needs to work on his earthbending. Once he has completely mastered it, I think he'll come out on top, especially if he can learn metal-bending too. |
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| isabelwhatx wrote: | ||
Eh, I'm not sure if I can agree with that. I don't think Aang is extremely powerful when NOT in the AS. Plus, earth is his natural opposite. Even if he was as powerful as you say, I don't think he would be able to reach his full potential without giving up his love for air. He's got to choose one or the other. He can't have the traits of both. |
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He has the traits of all four. Even without the Avatar State, the combination of all four elements in Aang makes him incredibly powerful (Iroh, 209). In 108, we learned that only a fully realized Avatar can open the door to the Avatar Roku's statue room by himself (AKA, fully realized Avatar is a better firebender than any other). Even without the Avatar State, Aang intended to be able to face the Firelord once he had fully mastered all four elements.
Another example is Roku. Even without the Avatar State, we still saw him do some pretty impressive things in "The Avatar and the Firelord".
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Toph might retain some fancy moves Aang won't, but the fact is that he will always have far, far more raw ppower to call upon than she ever will. That's the whole point of being the Avatar - he can swing bigger rocks around than she can.
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He has the traits of all four. Even without the Avatar State, the combination of all four elements in Aang makes him incredibly powerful (Iroh, 209). In 108, we learned that only a fully realized Avatar can open the door to the Avatar Roku's statue room by himself (AKA, fully realized Avatar is a better firebender than any other). Even without the Avatar State, Aang intended to be able to face the Firelord once he had fully mastered all four elements. Another example is Roku. Even without the Avatar State, we still saw him do some pretty impressive things in "The Avatar and the Firelord". |
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Toph might retain some fancy moves Aang won't, but the fact is that he will always have far, far more raw ppower to call upon than she ever will. That's the whole point of being the Avatar - he can swing bigger rocks around than she can. |
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Aang isn't just an Airbender - he is a combination of all four elements. He embodies the strengths of all the elements, the weaknesses of none. That's the idea, anyway, I think.
The fact is that simply knowing how to bend all four elements wouldn't be enough to guarentee the Avatar as the protector of the world's balance. He needs a lot of power to back it up.
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| Axrendale wrote: |
| Also important to remember is that Aang seems capable of learning Toph's tricks. He already seems to have mastered how to see with his feet, and I think he could also master metalbending too, as well as all the other things Toph can do. |
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Impressive as Aang might be, he can NEVER fully embrace being an earthbender. Earthbenders face things head on while airbenders find different ways to solve problems. You can't have both qualities. That's like someone loves meat but hates it at the same time. I do think Aang is exceptionally powerful, but I also think that he isn't as gifted in earthbending as Toph is. I also don't think Aang is more powerful than Ozai at firebending. |
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Aang isn't just an Airbender - he is a combination of all four elements. He embodies the strengths of all the elements, the weaknesses of none. That's the idea, anyway, I think. The fact is that simply knowing how to bend all four elements wouldn't be enough to guarentee the Avatar as the protector of the world's balance. He needs a lot of power to back it up. |
