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Metalbending: What are its limits?

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    Axrendale

    [101]Sep 1, 2008
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    In a sense of sheer, raw, power, I maintain that Aang surpasses everyone else. He proved to be a natural at learning all four elements: he had mastered Airbending by age 12. In 109, he surpassed Katara as a Waterbender easily. In 116, Jeong Jeong said that he had never before seen such raw power in a student. After he got his head around Earthbending, he progressed by leaps and bounds. In 306, we saw how Avatar Roku was able to easily surpass his masters. Once Aang finds time to master each element completely, I am confident that he too will surpass all of his masters.

    He has more power. It's that simple.

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:

    In a sense of sheer, raw, power, I maintain that Aang surpasses everyone else. He proved to be a natural at learning all four elements: he had mastered Airbending by age 12. In 109, he surpassed Katara as a Waterbender easily. In 116, Jeong Jeong said that he had never before seen such raw power in a student. After he got his head around Earthbending, he progressed by leaps and bounds. In 306, we saw how Avatar Roku was able to easily surpass his masters. Once Aang finds time to master each element completely, I am confident that he too will surpass all of his masters.

    He has more power. It's that simple.

    I think the reason he surpassed everyone else in teachings is because he's learned all of this so many times before. It's like reminding yourself how to ride your bike. Aang has mastered waterbending and he isn't extraordinarily powerful.
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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    Axrendale wrote:

    In a sense of sheer, raw, power, I maintain that Aang surpasses everyone else. He proved to be a natural at learning all four elements: he had mastered Airbending by age 12. In 109, he surpassed Katara as a Waterbender easily. In 116, Jeong Jeong said that he had never before seen such raw power in a student. After he got his head around Earthbending, he progressed by leaps and bounds. In 306, we saw how Avatar Roku was able to easily surpass his masters. Once Aang finds time to master each element completely, I am confident that he too will surpass all of his masters.

    He has more power. It's that simple.
    Toph became the greatest Earthbender in the world ALSO at the age of 12 (206 AKA "The Blind Bandit" (If she wan't the greatest Earthbender in the world then, she was sure as hell close to it))... She didn't become an Earthbending master at the age of 12 like Aang did for Air, she became The Blind Bandit (Hey, its catchy ) at age 12, and he grew up with people teaching him, as opposed to Toph (Okay, so she recieved a jolt into the right direction from the Badgermoles)... And, later in the series, Katara once again proved to be the better Waterbender at the time than Aang, when she very easily surpassed his abilities in Waterbending (I'm just saying, Katara did surpass him... It's not impossible for Toph to either, not saying he wouldn't become the most powerful bender in the end though)... Once again, I agree on him becoming more powerful, but he will never be BETTER in my views, better and powerful in bending can be considered two completely different things.
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    hkulka2974

    [104]Sep 2, 2008
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    i think metalbending is a bit overrated, i mean its cool and all, but most of the time you'll have earth to bend and in order for toph to bend metal she need to physically touch the metal she can't bend it form a distance, which in a long ranged battle would easily put her at an disadvantage. the toph the transformer battle was a good example of an ideal situation to use metal bending, because it is such a small area, you have no access to earth. Metal provides a higher level of resistance than earth though. also it seems to give the user inhanced strength when bending it onto ones self, seeing as how hard toph was able to hit the fire nation soldiers. overall in certain situations metal bending is better but earthbending would be the best choice in most.
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    ThisCrazyGuy

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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    i think metalbending is a bit overrated, i mean its cool and all, but most of the time you'll have earth to bend and in order for toph to bend metal she need to physically touch the metal she can't bend it form a distance, which in a long ranged battle would easily put her at an disadvantage. the toph the transformer battle was a good example of an ideal situation to use metal bending, because it is such a small area, you have no access to earth. Metal provides a higher level of resistance than earth though. also it seems to give the user inhanced strength when bending it onto ones self, seeing as how hard toph was able to hit the fire nation soldiers. overall in certain situations metal bending is better but earthbending would be the best choice in most.
    Metal-Bending IS Earthbending... It's like what Lightning Bending is for Fire or like what Blood-Bending is for Water... It's the greatest, most advanced technique that can be physically practiced within the Earth element... How do we know what feats Toph will be capable of in a couple years time? She has already become Avatar's temporary Iron Man... Metal-Bending in my opinion is amazing, and it brings more interest to Earthbending... But this of course, is just MY opinion.
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    MCMLXVI

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    ross93 wrote:
    toph can metalbend without contact. just look at the finale. she gets the pipe off the celing and gets the firebender. just look at it closer ok.
    She was banging around metal throughout the scene in that metal cockpit. She probably could have crushed the whole room eventually.
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    MCMLXVI

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    Axrendale wrote:
    Also important to remember is that Aang seems capable of learning Toph's tricks. He already seems to have mastered how to see with his feet, and I think he could also master metalbending too, as well as all the other things Toph can do.
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    I don't think Aang will ever learn to Metal-Bend... I can agree with almost everything else but that... Maybe, just MAYBE in the future, but now, NEVER... And I don't think Aang has even full mastered that yet...
    Aang can learn metalbending because it's not that big of a leap from ordinary earthbending. The earthen particles are in the metal whether or not Aang or Toph can actually detect it. Just knowing that it's there is enough to execute earthbending forms on it. He just needs to keep in mind that he needs to connect with the metal directly.
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    isabelwhatx

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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Also important to remember is that Aang seems capable of learning Toph's tricks. He already seems to have mastered how to see with his feet, and I think he could also master metalbending too, as well as all the other things Toph can do.
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    I don't think Aang will ever learn to Metal-Bend... I can agree with almost everything else but that... Maybe, just MAYBE in the future, but now, NEVER... And I don't think Aang has even full mastered that yet...
    Aang can learn metalbending because it's not that big of a leap from ordinary earthbending. The earthen particles are in the metal whether or not Aang or Toph can actually detect it. Just knowing that it's there is enough to execute earthbending forms on it. He just needs to keep in mind that he needs to connect with the metal directly.

    Toph is the only metalbender in history as far as we know. I wouldn't go as far to say that it isn't that far from regular earthbedning.
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    MCMLXVI

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    Axrendale wrote:
    Also important to remember is that Aang seems capable of learning Toph's tricks. He already seems to have mastered how to see with his feet, and I think he could also master metalbending too, as well as all the other things Toph can do.
    ThisCrazyGuy wrote:
    I don't think Aang will ever learn to Metal-Bend... I can agree with almost everything else but that... Maybe, just MAYBE in the future, but now, NEVER... And I don't think Aang has even full mastered that yet...
    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Aang can learn metalbending because it's not that big of a leap from ordinary earthbending. The earthen particles are in the metal whether or not Aang or Toph can actually detect it. Just knowing that it's there is enough to execute earthbending forms on it. He just needs to keep in mind that he needs to connect with the metal directly.
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Toph is the only metalbender in history as far as we know. I wouldn't go as far to say that it isn't that far from regular earthbedning.
    Once the earthbender sees it, then it's not that big of a leap from ordinary earthbending. Aang learned from the guru, now all he needs is instruction from Toph.
    Edited on 09/03/2008 3:58pm
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    isabelwhatx

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    Aang has seen Toph metalbending and hasn't done it yet. What's keeping him back?
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    MCMLXVI

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Aang has seen Toph metalbending and hasn't done it yet. What's keeping him back?
    Seeing it and learning it are not the same. Also, he's been short on time. He needs instructions.
    Edited on 09/03/2008 4:02pm
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    isabelwhatx

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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Aang has seen Toph metalbending and hasn't done it yet. What's keeping him back?
    Seeing it and learning it are not the same. Also, he's been short on time. He needs instructions.

    Toph didn't need instructions. And even you said, "Once the earthbender sees it, then it's not that big of a leap from ordinary earthbending."
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    Axrendale

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Aang has seen Toph metalbending and hasn't done it yet. What's keeping him back?

    Most likely the fact that he hasn't even mastered regular earthbending completely yet, let alone be ready to learn metalbending. I would surmise that one needs to have full mastered the basic form before one can move onto the advanced techniques.

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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Aang has seen Toph metalbending and hasn't done it yet. What's keeping him back?

    Most likely the fact that he hasn't even mastered regular earthbending completely yet, let alone be ready to learn metalbending. I would surmise that one needs to have full mastered the basic form before one can move onto the advanced techniques.

    Lmao, I was asking MCMLXVI that question because he said that if someone sees someone else metalbend you can do it. I don't honestly believe that.
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    Axrendale

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    No, Idon't think I do either.
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    MCMLXVI

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    Once you see it as a possibility, then you just need instruction or try stuff out on your own (experimentation, trial and error), and you need time. Seeing Toph crack open the underground fortress would probably not be enough. Aang didn't learn sandbending just by watching the sandbenders; he would need instruction or time to try stuff out on his own.
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    isabelwhatx

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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Once you see it as a possibility, then you just need instruction or try stuff out on your own (experimentation, trial and error), and you need time. Seeing Toph crack open the underground fortress would probably not be enough. Aang didn't learn sandbending just by watching the sandbenders; he would need instruction or time to try stuff out on his own.

    Toph seemed to have done it immediately when she first learned how. So, apparently, a lot of training isn't needed.
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    fantasyleader2

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    I saw Toph Metalbending without touching the metal during the comic book, "Going Home Again." When she levitates that large bar of metal, to bind some firebenders.
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    isabelwhatx

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    fantasyleader2 wrote:
    I saw Toph Metalbending without touching the metal during the comic book, "Going Home Again." When she levitates that large bar of metal, to bind some firebenders.

    She also does it in the airships in the finale.
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    MCMLXVI

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    fantasyleader2 wrote:
    I saw Toph Metalbending without touching the metal during the comic book, "Going Home Again." When she levitates that large bar of metal, to bind some firebenders.
    That may be inconsistent with metalbending I can believe in, so-to-speak, unless the metal had a greater quantity of earthen particles than better-prepared metal.
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