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Google Argues Viacom-YouTube Copyright Lawsuit Threatens Online Communications

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    Lisa31468

    [1]May 26, 2008
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    In the ongoing YouTube-Viacom lawsuit saga Google says that Viacom is setting a terrible precedent in attempting to limit or restrict the way people share information via the internet.

    Here's the article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080526/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_lawsuit

    TOPIC RELEVANCE TO THE AVATAR FORUM PER THE TV.COM TOS: Dear Moderator~This topic is relevant to the Avatar forum because many, if not all of the Avatar episodes and even some fanvids were removed from YouTube at the onset of this copyright infringement lawsuit. Avatar fans, who make up the TV.com population of this forum, are heavily involved in the outcome of these legal proceeedings as Avatar episodes as well as their fan videos are directly affected by the end ruling. I would please ask that you not single my threads out for locking and/or deletion simply because of my counter-stance against your unjust banning of Nalesnik and SgtHydra. This topic is absolutely relevant per your own terms of use for this website. If you opt to lock and/or delete a viable thread you are doing nothing more but harassing me specifically. I would not recommend that as a wise choice. It should not be necessary for me or any other TV.com member to have to explain the relevance of a thread in proportion to the Avatar forum. You should be intelligent enough to ethically discern this for yourselves, but here we are, nevertheless.

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    thefacestealer

    [2]May 26, 2008
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    darn viacom.
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [3]May 26, 2008
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    Lisa could you sum up want that means for us who are too lazy to read?
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    Miroku78

    [4]May 26, 2008
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    This is gonna get really bad.
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    Lisa31468

    [5]May 26, 2008
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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Lisa could you sum up want that means for us who are too lazy to read?

    LOL AKB

    It means that this court case is about to blow wide open to be much more than a mere legal brawl between Viacom and YouTube/Google.

    Google is arguing to the court that Viacom's lawsuit is threatening the entire way the internet works. They are saying that Viacom doesn't have the right to police the internet and limit the way people share information, which is exactly what Google feels will happen if Viacom wins its suit.

    Google is warning the court that if they side with Viacom they are opening up a terrific can of internet copyright witch-hunts. In their view it would be an insane ruling making it nearly impossible to enforce or police and extremely cumbersome for internet information-sharing sites, like YouTube.

    Google is saying they have in good faith removed the obvious copyright infrigment materials, like Avatar and SpongeBob full-length episodes, but to attack the smaller fanvids with minor scenes is utterly ridiculous and pointless to pursue.

    Viacom is not backing down saying, this is our stuff, we want every second of it accounted for and if someone uses it, they have to pay us for it. Remember that the current head honcho of Viacom, Philippe Dauman, is a lawyer by trade.

    So this is huge news because the court ruling will be setting a precedent (a pattern or example for others to follow) which may cause incredible havoc on the internet, especially with information-sharing websites.

    Does that make more sense? LOL

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    Miroku78

    [6]May 26, 2008
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    Lisa31468 wrote:

    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Lisa could you sum up want that means for us who are too lazy to read?

    LOL AKB

    It means that this court case is about to blow wide open to be much more than a mere legal brawl between Viacom and YouTube/Google.

    Google is arguing to the court that Viacom's lawsuit is threatening the entire way the internet works. They are saying that Viacom doesn't have the right to police the internet and limit the way people share information, which is exactly what Google feels will happen if Viacom wins its suit.

    Google is warning the court that if they side with Viacom they are opening up a terrific can of internet copyright witch-hunts. In their view it would be an insane ruling making it nearly impossible to enforce or police and extremely cumbersome for internet information-sharing sites, like YouTube.

    Google is saying they have in good faith removed the obvious copyright infrigment materials, like Avatar and SpongeBob full-length episodes, but to attack the smaller fanvids with minor scenes is utterly ridiculous and pointless to pursue.

    Viacom is not backing down saying, this is our stuff, we want every second of it accounted for and if someone uses it, they have to pay us for it. Remember that the current head honcho of Viacom, Philippe Dauman, is a lawyer by trade.

    So this is huge news because the court ruling will be setting a precedent (a pattern or example for others to follow) which may cause incredible havoc on the internet, especially with information-sharing websites.

    Does that make more sense? LOL



    But what about the people that don't have cable. (Me) and gotta wait on youtube. My entire Avatar communication would be over.
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [7]May 26, 2008
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    Lisa31468 wrote:

    AllKnowingBeing wrote:
    Lisa could you sum up want that means for us who are too lazy to read?

    LOL AKB

    It means that this court case is about to blow wide open to be much more than a mere legal brawl between Viacom and YouTube/Google.

    Google is arguing to the court that Viacom's lawsuit is threatening the entire way the internet works. They are saying that Viacom doesn't have the right to police the internet and limit the way people share information, which is exactly what Google feels will happen if Viacom wins its suit.

    Google is warning the court that if they side with Viacom they are opening up a terrific can of internet copyright witch-hunts. In their view it would be an insane ruling making it nearly impossible to enforce or police and extremely cumbersome for internet information-sharing sites, like YouTube.

    Google is saying they have in good faith removed the obvious copyright infrigment materials, like Avatar and SpongeBob full-length episodes, but to attack the smaller fanvids with minor scenes is utterly ridiculous and pointless to pursue.

    Viacom is not backing down saying, this is our stuff, we want every second of it accounted for and if someone uses it, they have to pay us for it. Remember that the current head honcho of Viacom, Philippe Dauman, is a lawyer by trade.

    So this is huge news because the court ruling will be setting a precedent (a pattern or example for others to follow) which may cause incredible havoc on the internet, especially with information-sharing websites.

    Does that make more sense? LOL

    That was even more then I had to read in the first post. Oh well I read it and I am displeased with this ill news. To cheer myself up I'm getting drunk tonight, big time.
    Edited on 05/26/2008 6:13pm
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    !

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    Miroku78

    [9]May 26, 2008
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    Man, Viacom's getting totally out of hand

    Viacom, Nickelodeon, Mods.

    Is There Any Place for an Avatard to be in peace!!!???
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    speechless8582

    [10]May 26, 2008
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    I really don't see Viacom's issue with things like fanvideos and such. Yes, they own it, whatever, but it's not hurting them. Are they really losing money from fanvideos?
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    Ravel93

    [11]May 26, 2008
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    Well, that sucks. Without copyrighted material, what will be left? You can only laugh at Leave britney alone for so long.
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    dantedones

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    Man, on the real, this is some wack s***
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    HalfHandedCloud

    [13]May 26, 2008
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    Bring it on viacom the internets is really for you.
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    Miroku78

    [14]May 26, 2008
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    Ravel93 wrote:
    Well, that sucks. Without copyrighted material, what will be left? You can only laugh at Leave britney alone for so long.


    QFT. We must all open our eyes to see what this big deal is about. * due to changing the Avi to Aang with his eyes open *
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    thefacestealer

    [15]May 26, 2008
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    if viacom wins its no more fanvids! noo! this is horrible. viacom is paranoid and money-hungry in the worst way possible.
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    suss2it

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    I really don't see Viacom's issue with things like fanvideos and such. Yes, they own it, whatever, but it's not hurting them. Are they really losing money from fanvideos?
    They're not loosing money, but they're not gaining any either they would rather people pay for scenes to use or some BS like that.
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    DeeDuck33

    [17]May 26, 2008
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    Why the heck is this man so greedy?
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    PsychoPass

    [18]May 26, 2008
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    I doubt this will go through. For one, the internet is TH primary media source of the entire world at this time, I believe. I.E. More people use the internet for things than the TV. Something like this would spark 'revolt' throughout the world, if you know what I mean. One company can't police almost all the video media of the internet.
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    thefacestealer

    [19]May 26, 2008
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    Why the heck is this man so greedy?
    he reminds me of bill gates when he wanted to own the internet and to charge everyone just to be on it. if viacom wins the people of the internet are going to fight against them.
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    Words cannot describe how much I want to blow up Viacom Headquarters right now...
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