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    CoolioVonJulio

    [81]May 24, 2008
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    dark_aquatus wrote:
    khalid13 wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    khalid13 wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    khalid13 wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    Avatardandproud wrote:
    WHOOOO!!!! GO HITLER
    See, this is the kind of thing that could get you in trouble.
    What happened to free speech? Sure the Holocaust was wrong, but there's nothing wrong with liking his other attributes ... like his ambition.
    Oh, man... You have no idea how much I'm hoping at the moment that you're just joking right now! xD
    Hey, I was obsessed with Hitler at one point too You know, if you ask a random Pakistani what they think of Hitler they'll (assuming they know him) say he's great 70% of the time. Why? Because he fought the Jews (they fail to differentiate between Zionists and Jews). And yeah, Zionists aren't exactly admired in the Muslim World. I have my reasons too, although they are not the same. No, I look beyond the bias you Westerners have against Hitler I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire. And while I say this, I would like to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that I do not condone the holocaust or the Nazi genocide.
    It's not like Hitler is the only true horror this world has seen... Take Ataturk for example, or Pol Pot, or maybe even Muhammad since he brutally murdered everyone in his home city because they didn't accept him as a citizen. Hmmm... I guess it's getting a bit anti-Muslim now, so I'll quit xD But seriously, people like Neville Chamberlain are the ones that allowed the holocaust. Hitler was mentally insane (I'm not just saying that. He really was) and made mistake after mistake. I don't know what to admire about a cruel mentally insane horror of a man. I'm glad he ended up killing himself with a gun to his head...
    Eh? When did Muhammad murder everyone in his home city? Yeah, I agree. Hitler was crazy. But how did a crazy man hold the hold civilised world at his mercy, I wonder.
    Yes Muhammad did, but you shouldn't trust me on my word, go check it out for yourslef. Hitler hold them off with the support of the SU and mainly thanks to the help of financial powered Austria. You seemed like a guy who was up-to-date with the history of WW2... Didn't you know that Adolf used horses to carry his canons when he invaded Czechoslovakia (don't really know how to write it in English)? He had NOTHING! It was a lost cause, and he risked even worse suppression by proving the whole world right about Germany being the black sheep of the world (that's how they thought that time). Thanks to people like Chamberlain he got the opportunity to gather an army and gain some connections/money to actually start a war. I don't feel like explaining how the entire war went, but let me tell you; it will crush your beliefs in Hitler's 'admirable' side... Why won't you find out for yourself?
    go read a book, Khalid13 is right. And cintrary to those who say islam was spread by the sword, Indonesia which has the highest muslim population of the world, was cinverted to islam by 6 missonaries, and muhammad was the most forgiving person ever. Dont listen to all this anti-islamic propoganda bullcrap > http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545368
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    AVThunderbird

    [82]May 24, 2008
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    Lawl WWII-->Islam
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    raienbrasa

    [83]May 24, 2008
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    dark_aquatus wrote:
    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    dark_aquatus wrote:
    Wow, that's a really nice picture, thanks! ''Ich bin ein Berliner!'' Btw, that must be my best American President's mistake ever! Yeah, John F. Kennedy was truely a genius, haha!
    Yes JFK was a great man ideed who was cut down in his prime.

    Here is the video of him saying that: Link


    Hahaha!!! Are you kidding me? If he wouldn't have been taken down, the US would've been in even greater financial trouble then it is currently with the great Bush-government.
    Ofcourse, he probably was a very nice man, but he was totally unfit as a president...
    R.I.P JFK
    Mistake? Uhh.

    RIght.
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    Ravel93

    [84]May 24, 2008
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    Wow, this thread should get locked. Like now. If there's anything I've learned in my 15 years of living, it's that there are 2 things that you should never EVER discuss with acquaintances; Politics and religion.

    And seriously, WTF is up with all this 'Praise Hitler' crap? I'm sure there are Jewish people that read the forums too. It's really disgusting how inconsiderate those statements are.

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    tomtitan

    [85]May 24, 2008
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    Ravel93 wrote:

    Wow, this thread should get locked. Like now. If there's anything I've learned in my 15 years of living, it's that there are 2 things that you should never EVER discuss with acquaintances; Politics and religion.

    And seriously, WTF is up with all this 'Praise Hitler crap? I'm sure there are Jewish people that read the forums too. It's really disgusting how inconsiderate those statements are.
    Read my post last page.
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    FourthLegacy

    [86]May 24, 2008
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    quickly, to the bunkers! man your wikipedia pages, bust out your (insert religious doctrine here)!

    REPENT!
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    AVThunderbird

    [87]May 24, 2008
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    Ravel93 wrote:

    Wow, this thread should get locked. Like now. If there's anything I've learned in my 15 years of living, it's that there are 2 things that you should never EVER discuss with acquaintances; Politics and religion.

    And seriously, WTF is up with all this 'Praise Hitler' crap? I'm sure there are Jewish people that read the forums too. It's really disgusting how inconsiderate those statements are.

    It should be locked, someone post some CP and this thread will disappear.

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    Maria93

    [88]May 24, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Ravel93 wrote:

    Wow, this thread should get locked. Like now. If there's anything I've learned in my 15 years of living, it's that there are 2 things that you should never EVER discuss with acquaintances; Politics and religion.

    And seriously, WTF is up with all this 'Praise Hitler crap? I'm sure there are Jewish people that read the forums too. It's really disgusting how inconsiderate those statements are.
    Read my post last page.

    *reads tomtitan's post *you're right i can't believe there are some persons who "admire" Hitler after all the innocent people (Jews) he killed .

    this thread should get locked ... maybe i'll say the "forbidden phrase" in Spanish...

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    khalid13

    [89]May 24, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:


    I really can't believe some of the people on this thread.

    'Sure Hitler slaughtered millions of people, but there are other qualities about him that I really like'.


    Yeah there are. Is that a problem? Let's look at how I clarified:

    I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire.

    Now, I will clarify further:

    Just because he did several bad things doesn't make him Satan 2.0. The best of men can be wicked in some way and the worst can be good in some way. Hitler was a damned good orator. There. I admire his oratory. Does that sicken you Tom? That I admire his oratory? That's one of his qualities. If it does, I really don't know what to think of you. I admire the way he so subtly took power in Germany. Not many people could have done that. I admire that. So there. I never said or implied that he did good things with that power.

    tomtitan wrote:

    Seriously, what the crap?

    Hitler was one of the most evil men who ever lived. Along with Atilla the Hun, Gengis Khan, Stalin and several others this man was up there with the most evil of the evil.

    Have any of you ever been to Auschwitz? I have. You'd change your opinions on this 'admirable man' if you went there.


    I NEVER CALLED HIM AN ADMIRABLE MAN!

    I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire.

    Certain characteristics. That's it.

    I also said:

    And while I say this, I would like to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that I do not condone the holocaust or the Nazi genocide.

    tomtitan wrote:


    I'll say it. I am Jewish. Therefore it was my ancestors who were killed by this monster. On the database in Auschwitz there are hundreds of people with my family name listed as killed in the holocaust.


    And I'm terribly sorry for you.

    But Harry Truman also ordered Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be bombed, killing two hundred and fifty thousand people, overwhelmingly civilians. Does that make him one of the most people ever, right up there with Atilla and Genghis Khan?

    tomtitan wrote:


    Hitler is now known to have been very kind to the people around him, he was a vegetarian, he encouraged his officers to quit smoking. Yes, this is all good.


    See? Nice qualities in a bad man. Which puts you in the same position as me. Why then, do I sicken you to the core?

    tomtitan wrote:


    But at the same time this man is responsible for attempted genocide, mass-murder on an unprecedented scale, and one of the largest wars in human history. Not admirable qualities.


    And when have I said they were admirable?

    tomtitan wrote:


    People who admire Hitler to be perfectly honest, sicken me to the core.

    Khalid, you say you admire Hitler You also say you're a Muslim. You should know that if you met Hitler he would kill you without a second thought. It wasn't just the Jews who Hitler hated, it was anyone from any race but his own. Including you. An admiration of Hitler is truly idiotic, as that man certainly doesn't admire you.


    I will once again say:

    I NEVER CALLED HIM AN ADMIRABLE MAN!

    I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire.

    Certain characteristics. That's it.

    And if I said I admired him, it was because of those characteristics. Not because he killed Jews.

    tomtitan wrote:


    My guess is antisemitism, but people are too afraid to admit it. There are a lot of stupid people out there who don't realise that it wasn't just the Jews who Hitler persecuted, and that they're just as much of a target as us.


    Afraid? If I were anti-semitic, I would say it to your face. I'm not. Do you even know what Semitic is? According to Wikipedia:

    In a religious context, the term Semitic can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions", though the term Abrahamic religions is more commonly used today.

    Aren't I Muslim? That makes me semitic. And if you want to look at it from a racial point of view, I have (diluted) Arab blood in me. That makes me Semitic. Why, no, how could I be anti-semitic? Do you even know how many rights Islam bestows on Christians and Jews? If I were anti-semitic, I would be a hypocrite.

    Ravel93 wrote:


    And seriously, WTF is up with all this 'Praise Hitler crap? I'm sure there are Jewish people that read the forums too. It's really disgusting how inconsiderate those statements are.


    What praise Hitler crap? Just hold on a second: look at the double standards. Because Jews are offended, we must not even imply that Hitler had an iota of good in him. We must not say that he was a good orator. We must not say we admire the fact that he was a good orator.

    But when Muslims are insulted, we all must harp on about free speech? I was insulted when dark_aquatus accused the man I call a Prophet of God of killing of a whole city, which by the way is completely untrue. No one stood up for me. When that MP from the Netherlands published that film of his, no one said that Muslims might be offended. It was all about free speech then. Same with that cartoon controversy. Freedom of expression, you called it. What about my feelings and the feelings of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world? Was all that really 'considerate'?

    ---

    Basically, you didn't read my posts properly. I don't believe in Zionism, and frankly, I don't think much of Zionists. But I honour and respect the Jewish people.

    And like in the example I gave above, I like Hitler's oratory. Does that mean I like Hitler and approve of all that he did? It most definitely doesn't.
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    joeking14

    [90]May 24, 2008
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    khalid13 wrote:
    Afraid? If I were anti-semitic, I would say it to your face. I'm not. Do you even know what Semitic is? According to Wikipedia: In a religious context, the term Semitic can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions", though the term Abrahamic religions is more commonly used today. Aren't I Muslim? That makes me semitic. And if you want to look at it from a racial point of view, I have (diluted) Arab blood in me. That makes me Semitic. Why, no, how could I be anti-semitic? Do you even know how many rights Islam bestows on Christians and Jews? If I were anti-semitic, I would be a hypocrite.

    Anti-semitic is one of those words that have a different meaning to what the seperate words are, anti-semitic means anti-jew not someone who hates all semitic.

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    DeeDuck33

    [91]May 24, 2008
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    This is the exact reason why I hate religious debates. Someone's feelings always get hurt.
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    khalid13

    [92]May 24, 2008
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    I was implying that Judaism is a sister-religion. You're right, I haven't made it very clear. Sorry if you misunderstood.

    I guess I should re-emphasize this line:

    Do you even know how many rights Islam bestows on Christians and Jews? If I were anti-semitic, I would be a hypocrite.

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    suss2it

    [93]May 24, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    I really can't believe some of the people on this thread.

    'Sure Hitler slaughtered millions of people, but there are other qualities about him that I really like'.

    Seriously, what the crap?

    Hitler was one of the most evil men who ever lived. Along with Atilla the Hun, Gengis Khan, Stalin and several others this man was up there with the most evil of the evil.

    Have any of you ever been to Auschwitz? I have. You'd change your opinions on this 'admirable man' if you went there.

    I'll say it. I am Jewish. Therefore it was my ancestors who were killed by this monster. On the database in Auschwitz there are hundreds of people with my family name listed as killed in the holocaust.

    Hitler is now known to have been very kind to the people around him, he was a vegetarian, he encouraged his officers to quit smoking. Yes, this is all good. But at the same time this man is responsible for attempted genocide, mass-murder on an unprecedented scale, and one of the largest wars in human history. Not admirable qualities.

    People who admire Hitler to be perfectly honest, sicken me to the core.

    Khalid, you say you admire Hitler You also say you're a Muslim. You should know that if you met Hitler he would kill you without a second thought. It wasn't just the Jews who Hitler hated, it was anyone from any race but his own. Including you. An admiration of Hitler is truly idiotic, as that man certainly doesn't admire you.
    I think you're taking what Khalid said out of proportion, he never said he admired Hitler just that he liked certain qualities that he had. Oh and when you say mass-murder on an unprecedented scale, wasn't around 6 million Jewish people killed because of the war? (RIP to all of them) But I think back in the day when white people were bringing over african people to become slaves somewhere like 170 million died, look up though since I'm not quite sure.

    And on-topic: Yea I do see a resemblance between the Nazis and the FN, with the genocide and wanting to conquer the world.
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    Ravel93

    [94]May 24, 2008
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    khalid13 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    I really can't believe some of the people on this thread. 'Sure Hitler slaughtered millions of people, but there are other qualities about him that I really like'.
    Yeah there are. Is that a problem? Let's look at how I clarified: I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire. Now, I will clarify further: Just because he did several bad things doesn't make him Satan 2.0. The best of men can be wicked in some way and the worst can be good in some way. Hitler was a damned good orator. There. I admire his oratory. Does that sicken you Tom? That I admire his oratory? That's one of his qualities. If it does, I really don't know what to think of you. I admire the way he so subtly took power in Germany. Not many people could have done that. I admire that. So there. I never said or implied that he did good things with that power.
    tomtitan wrote:
    Seriously, what the crap? Hitler was one of the most evil men who ever lived. Along with Atilla the Hun, Gengis Khan, Stalin and several others this man was up there with the most evil of the evil. Have any of you ever been to Auschwitz? I have. You'd change your opinions on this 'admirable man' if you went there.
    I NEVER CALLED HIM AN ADMIRABLE MAN! I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire. Certain characteristics. That's it. I also said: And while I say this, I would like to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that I do not condone the holocaust or the Nazi genocide.
    tomtitan wrote:
    I'll say it. I am Jewish. Therefore it was my ancestors who were killed by this monster. On the database in Auschwitz there are hundreds of people with my family name listed as killed in the holocaust.
    And I'm terribly sorry for you. But Harry Truman also ordered Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be bombed, killing two hundred and fifty thousand people, overwhelmingly civilians. Does that make him one of the most people ever, right up there with Atilla and Genghis Khan?
    tomtitan wrote:
    Hitler is now known to have been very kind to the people around him, he was a vegetarian, he encouraged his officers to quit smoking. Yes, this is all good.
    See? Nice qualities in a bad man. Which puts you in the same position as me. Why then, do I sicken you to the core?
    tomtitan wrote:
    But at the same time this man is responsible for attempted genocide, mass-murder on an unprecedented scale, and one of the largest wars in human history. Not admirable qualities.
    And when have I said they were admirable?
    tomtitan wrote:
    People who admire Hitler to be perfectly honest, sicken me to the core. Khalid, you say you admire Hitler You also say you're a Muslim. You should know that if you met Hitler he would kill you without a second thought. It wasn't just the Jews who Hitler hated, it was anyone from any race but his own. Including you. An admiration of Hitler is truly idiotic, as that man certainly doesn't admire you.
    I will once again say: I NEVER CALLED HIM AN ADMIRABLE MAN! I'm willing to acknowledge in him certain characteristics that I admire. Certain characteristics. That's it. And if I said I admired him, it was because of those characteristics. Not because he killed Jews.
    tomtitan wrote:
    My guess is antisemitism, but people are too afraid to admit it. There are a lot of stupid people out there who don't realise that it wasn't just the Jews who Hitler persecuted, and that they're just as much of a target as us.
    Afraid? If I were anti-semitic, I would say it to your face. I'm not. Do you even know what Semitic is? According to Wikipedia: In a religious context, the term Semitic can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions", though the term Abrahamic religions is more commonly used today. Aren't I Muslim? That makes me semitic. And if you want to look at it from a racial point of view, I have (diluted) Arab blood in me. That makes me Semitic. Why, no, how could I be anti-semitic? Do you even know how many rights Islam bestows on Christians and Jews? If I were anti-semitic, I would be a hypocrite.
    Ravel93 wrote:
    And seriously, WTF is up with all this 'Praise Hitler crap? I'm sure there are Jewish people that read the forums too. It's really disgusting how inconsiderate those statements are.
    What praise Hitler crap? Just hold on a second: look at the double standards. Because Jews are offended, we must not even imply that Hitler had an iota of good in him. We must not say that he was a good orator. We must not say we admire the fact that he was a good orator. But when Muslims are insulted, we all must harp on about free speech? I was insulted when dark_aquatus accused the man I call a Prophet of God of killing of a whole city, which by the way is completely untrue. No one stood up for me. When that MP from the Netherlands published that film of his, no one said that Muslims might be offended. It was all about free speech then. Same with that cartoon controversy. Freedom of expression, you called it. What about my feelings and the feelings of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world? Was all that really 'considerate'? --- Basically, you didn't read my posts properly. I don't believe in Zionism, and frankly, I don't think much of Zionists. But I honour and respect the Jewish people. And like in the example I gave above, I like Hitler's oratory. Does that mean I like Hitler and approve of all that he did? It most definitely doesn't.

    First of all, when I said that you shouldn't talk about religion with aquaintances, I meant the thing with you and dark_aquatos. I was trying to get him to stop, since I knew that would be offensive. Second, when I said 'what's with the praise hitler crap' I was talking about Avatarandproud, not you. They were saying "GO HITLER And I find that disgustingly inconsiderate. I don't care if you think that hitler has good qualities, that wasn't my point. It was the fact that he/she said something that could be very offensive. Third, don't ever lump me with some racist people. My father is muslim, so don't think for a second I'd call that nonsense freedom of expression. I've been on your side the whole time, dude.

    Edited on 05/24/2008 6:04pm
    Edited 2 total times.
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [95]May 24, 2008
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    This thread is filled with so much epic fail.

    Hitler=Bad

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam=Good

    Simple as that.

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    khalid13

    [96]May 24, 2008
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    Ravel93 wrote:

    First of all, when I said that you shouldn't talk about religion with aquaintances, I meant the thing with you and dark_aquatos. I was trying to get him to stop, since I knew that would be offensive. Second, when I said 'what's with the praise hitler crap' I was talking about AvatarSensation, not you. They were saying "GO HITLER And I find that disgustingly inconsiderate. I don't care if you think that hitler has good qualities, that wasn't my point. It was the fact that he/she said something that could be very offensive. Third, don't ever lump me with some racist b@stards. My father is muslim, so don't think for a second I'd call that sh!t freedom of expression. I've been on your side the whole time, dude.

    I thought you were talking to me. I'm sorry ... Thanks for siding with us! I agree with you. That is inconsiderate. I'm just trying to emphasize that a bad man (I agree whole-heartedly that he was bad) can have some good qualities in him too. Getting back on-topic, isn't that what Avatar teaches us? The world is made of colours, not of single-dimensional contrasts. Once again, I apologise for lumping you with ... racist b@stards, as you put it.

    Edited on 05/24/2008 6:04pm
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    Ravel93

    [97]May 24, 2008
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    khalid13 wrote:
    Ravel93 wrote:

    First of all, when I said that you shouldn't talk about religion with aquaintances, I meant the thing with you and dark_aquatos. I was trying to get him to stop, since I knew that would be offensive. Second, when I said 'what's with the praise hitler crap' I was talking about AvatarSensation, not you. They were saying "GO HITLER And I find that disgustingly inconsiderate. I don't care if you think that hitler has good qualities, that wasn't my point. It was the fact that he/she said something that could be very offensive. Third, don't ever lump me with some racist b@stards. My father is muslim, so don't think for a second I'd call that sh!t freedom of expression. I've been on your side the whole time, dude.
    I thought you were talking to me. I'm sorry ... Thanks for siding with us! I agree with you. That is inconsiderate. I'm just trying to emphasize that a bad man (I agree whole-heartedly that he was bad) can have some good qualities in him too. Getting back on-topic, isn't that what Avatar teaches us? The world is made of colours, not in single-dimensional contrasts. Once again, I apologise for lumping you with ... racist b@stards, as you put it.

    It's ok. Maybe I should edit the swears... I need to wash my mouth out.

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    FourthLegacy

    [99]May 25, 2008
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    FourthLegacy wrote:
    quickly, to the bunkers! man your wikipedia pages, bust out your (insert religious doctrine here)! REPENT!
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    tomtitan

    [100]May 25, 2008
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    First off, I do know what semitic is. It also refers to the collective term for Arabic and Hebrew, among other things, such as the Abrahamic religions. But the word anti-semitism has a completely different meaning. There it only refers to jewish people.

    And yes, he was a good orator, he was a brilliant public speaker and he was charismatic. But I don't admire those characteristics, because he used those traits to gather support for his genocide campaign. If he had used those traits for something else they would be very admirable.

    Oh, and I'm in no way islamophobic, because that would undermine my hatred of anti-semitism. I know that Islam and Judaism are like sister religions (technically brother but let's not go there), along with Christianity. The three Abrahamic religions (they split off at Abraham, that's why they're named as such).
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