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    alagaesian

    [381]Jan 8, 2010
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    Eh, I'm more of an HxH fan myself. But, since those two are not on the same team in TDM either, I don't think that pairing stands much of a chance.

    Heather/Noah would be an interesting pairing for an AU fanfic, but I can't really see them getting together in the show. There are absolutely no hints whatsoever that they like each other. Meanwhile, there are some hints that Heather likes Harold. I could be overstretching them in my fandom, though.
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    shishkabob999

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    No, I can see Heather and Harold together, especially if Leshawna is falling for Alejandro, but it's still not very likely.
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    iamtunk

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    shishkabob999 wrote:
    iamtunk wrote:

    I'll like him all the more if he hooks up with Heather, as well other Heather/Noah fans. And Noah's awesomeness is his sarcastic jerkiness


    The fact that they both have negative personalities is the only reason you're hooking them up together. Even Noah and Cody has had more basis in canon than that. They're also not on the same team for TDM, don't like each other too much (Dodgebrawl and Haute Camp-ture), haven't even INTERACTED much to justify a getting together, plus the idea of setting up 12 couples of all TD people is both unrealistic and a bad idea.


    so what if they don't have much basis in the canon? I like couples that I think would go good together REGARDLESS of how much they've interacted together. (though I think they should interact more, because I think they'd be amusing) Yeah, maybe I do like them because they both have negative personalities. I think that their personalities would make them an amusing and interesting couple. This is my opinion, yes, and people don't have to share it. Though I don't see why more people don't share it. Oh well, whatever.

    but apparently the fact that I think their personalities would make an interesting couple is an asinine reason to ship a FANON. I guess I ABSOLUTELY must base my fanon's on canon. I guess I should stop shipping couplings for my own reasons and just ship couples for reasons that other people tell me.

    Oh, and just let me point out one thing: The only episode in TDI (excluding TDDDDDDI) that Noah really has much of a role in, Dodgebrawl, Heather happens to be one the people who interact with him the most.

    As for them not liking each other too much? Yeah...I guess you got me there. Love/hate relationships are unheard of in cartoons.

    look, I'm pretty sure I've stated on this forum more than once that I don't expect them to necessarily get together. (I think it's possible, not very likely, but possible...but I also think it's possible for Owen and Lindsay to get together...not in a million years will that happen, but it's possible...as are any and every couple.) I don't think it's probability is as low as maybe other people think but I'm not like "OH EM GEE ITZ LIEK FUR SHOR GUNA HAPIN!!!" If it happens i won't be surprised. If it doesn't I won't be surprised either.

    Regardless, I still think they'd make an interesting couple in fanon OR canon. that doesn't mean that I expect everyone to think so nor do I think the producers HAVE to make them canon. I think it would be a good idea but you know, not everyone shares the same brain.

    and I don't even know where you got the idea that I think everyone should be paired up into 12 pairings. I'm talking about Heather/Noah. Last I checked that was 1 pairing.
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    shishkabob999

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    iamtunk wrote:
    but apparently the fact that I think their personalities would make an interesting couple is an asinine reason to ship a FANON. I guess I ABSOLUTELY must base my fanon's on canon. I guess I should stop shipping couplings for my own reasons and just ship couples for reasons that other people tell me.
    Right, because I'm totally pro-canon, as my hate for D/C and my like for H/H demonstrate completely. Way to assume just because I call out the "OMG HEATHER AND NOAH SHOULD TOTALLY HOOK UP BECAUSE THEY BOTH HATE EVERYONE" mentality with actual evidence that they, you know, don't like each other.
    iamtunk wrote:
    Oh, and just let me point out one thing: The only episode in TDI (excluding TDDDDDDI) that Noah really has much of a role in, Dodgebrawl, Heather happens to be one the people who interact with him the most.
    He also praised Leshawna for locking Heather in the fridge.
    iamtunk wrote:
    As for them not liking each other too much? Yeah...I guess you got me there. Love/hate relationships are unheard of in cartoons.
    And you see how well they did Duncan/Courtney? Yeah, no thanks.
    iamtunk wrote:
    and I don't even know where you got the idea that I think everyone should be paired up into 12 pairings. I'm talking about Heather/Noah. Last I checked that was 1 pairing.
    But it is an example of pairing up the spares, which is now unnecessary due to TDA really doing damage to the three main couples.
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    pixarprincess

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    I think Heather/Noah has potential. Period.

    Well then again, I think the same thing about Zalex (Zack Martin and Alex Russo) and there's only been one tv event where the subject was brought up.
    But hey, if Heather DOES get redeemed, they should have her fall for someone to sort of, I don't know, show us she actually has feelings? And maybe it'll give Noah some sort of plot line. I sound so stupid right now.
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    alagaesian

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    pixarprincess wrote:
    I think Heather/Noah has potential. Period.

    Well then again, I think the same thing about Zalex (Zack Martin and Alex Russo) and there's only been one tv event where the subject was brought up.
    But hey, if Heather DOES get redeemed, they should have her fall for someone to sort of, I don't know, show us she actually has feelings? And maybe it'll give Noah some sort of plot line. I sound so stupid right now.


    If they are doing that kind of thing with Heather, I think they're going to hook her up with Harold. They have more to build off of, with the whole TDDDDI partnership and some scattered references throughout last season. In NxH, they'd have to start the whole thing from scratch.

    Heather already has a healthy amount of development, and I think her plot isn't going to be a problem either. For crying out loud, she's going to be on the same team as Gwen and Courtney! They might not even bother to give her a love interest unless she makes it to the merge. She'd be saturated in the plotline department otherwise.

    As for Noah, he's on the same team as a happy-happy-joy-joy fat idiot, a lunatic who is dating said idiot, a jock who fails at the one thing he has passion for, and a villain similar to Justin. If he's not getting plot by struggling to overcome the deadweight on his team, he's going to acquire a conflict with Alejandro. Unless my predictions are off by miles, I really don't think Noah needs any help in the plot department.

    Yeah, sure, it's possible that those two would end up together, but I personally think that it's highly unlikely.
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    iamtunk

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    shishkabob999 wrote:
    iamtunk wrote:
    but apparently the fact that I think their personalities would make an interesting couple is an asinine reason to ship a FANON. I guess I ABSOLUTELY must base my fanon's on canon. I guess I should stop shipping couplings for my own reasons and just ship couples for reasons that other people tell me.
    Right, because I'm totally pro-canon, as my hate for D/C and my like for H/H demonstrate completely. Way to assume just because I call out the "OMG HEATHER AND NOAH SHOULD TOTALLY HOOK UP BECAUSE THEY BOTH HATE EVERYONE" mentality with actual evidence that they, you know, don't like each other.


    Okay. Fair enough. Maybe I assumed too quickly. I got the wrong impression from what you said. You gave me examples against my pairing that were canonical reasons therefore I made my assumption. I thought you were slamming it based off of canon

    Let me explain where I'm coming from. When I bring up my Noah/Heather pairing I'm simply defending why I like them or, perhaps, why I don't think it's impossible for them to happen. I keep hearing "Yeah, they won't happen" on this forum and honestly I can't help but think "why not? You're not a producer." Okay, so people have reasons why they won't happen and, good or bad they may be, I don't think those reason set it in stone. Let me say it again though: I don't necessarily think they will end up together. In fact, I might even be surprised if they DO. that doesn't mean I need to keep hearing it over and over. I'm sorry, it gets frustrating after awhile and I'm an impatient person.

    so basically whenever I hear "oh they won't happen." I feel the need to say why I like them and that they could, yes, still possibly happen.

    oh, and let me just say WHY i happen to like Noah/Heather. and it's NOT just because they hate everyone or have negative personalities.

    1. I'll start off with your reason. They hate everyone and have negative personalities. So I think that's a way they could bond/get along. I can see them sitting around making snarky comments about the other contestants and laughing together.

    And honestly that's NOT the main reason I like them. In fact, I don't really think that's why i like them at all. Mostly it's just a reason why I think they can get along. Oh, and just because they don't like each other right now doesn't mean they can't end up liking each other eventually (I'm speaking in terms of friendship or love). It happens. People hate each other and then something happens and they stop hating each other. then they start getting along. just look at Heather and LeShawna. They hated each other and now LeShawna, one of Heather's worst enemies, is one of her only friends.

    2. I think their personalities could be amusing together. I can see Heather and Noah getting into intellectual debates. The dialogue that could go between those too would be amusing and interesting to me. Some of this is based off of my own imagination some of it fanfiction. Yes, fanfiction. Fanfiction that I felt handled the two characters well. I don't care if that's dumb.

    3. I like the idea of putting Heather with someone who can mentally handle her. Noah can mentally handle her. Sure, so can other people yet at the same time I think Heather can just about outsmart everyone at some time, except for Noah. I think she needs someone who could put her in her place mentally. Someone to challenge her. She needs to be challenged.

    4. Along with that, I think she'd be a challenge for Noah too. A challenge he can handle, yes, but a challenge. I think he'd like a bit of a challenge.

    5. They'd make an awesome alliance. Rather frightening actually.
    shishkabob999 wrote:
    iamtunk wrote:
    Oh, and just let me point out one thing: The only episode in TDI (excluding TDDDDDDI) that Noah really has much of a role in, Dodgebrawl, Heather happens to be one the people who interact with him the most.
    He also praised Leshawna for locking Heather in the fridge.
    iamtunk wrote:
    As for them not liking each other too much? Yeah...I guess you got me there. Love/hate relationships are unheard of in cartoons.
    And you see how well they did Duncan/Courtney? Yeah, no thanks.


    And this leads me to number 6. You happen to be talking to someone who likes love/hate relationships. Call it stupid, I don't care. I like them. They amuse me. If you tell me the pairing doesn't work because they don't even like each other or get along then all then you're really doing is just making me like the couple even more. The world will probably end the day I stop liking love/hate relationships.

    That all being said, this is all just my opinion and why I like Heather and Noah together. This doesn't mean you or anyone have to agree with me. In fact you can think my reasons for liking them are crap. I don't care, I'm still going to like them. and even if i did just like them because they hate everyone I think that'd be my own right to do so.
    shishkabob999 wrote:
    iamtunk wrote:
    and I don't even know where you got the idea that I think everyone should be paired up into 12 pairings. I'm talking about Heather/Noah. Last I checked that was 1 pairing.
    But it is an example of pairing up the spares, which is now unnecessary due to TDA really doing damage to the three main couples.


    And if I want to pair up a spare then I think that's my right to do so as well. It's only one paired up spare after all. In fact, even if I do like other pairings it's the only coupling I care about. Period. Canon or fanon. I don't see why I should have to stop shipping them.

    Lastly, I think H/H does make sense too. I'm not into them but they make sense.
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    somewierdkid

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    ANYWAY, before u guys (and girls) get in a war and get someone banned, what places and challenges should they go/compete in?

    im hoping 4 a Germany challenge, with a kid-friendly Oktoberfest or something.

    it'd be different, THAT'S 4 sure!
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    somewierdkid

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    sorry if i'm jumping the gun, i just don't want arguments w/ fellow TVees (the term I use for TV.com members).
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    shishkabob999

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    iamtunk wrote:
    1. I'll start off with your reason. They hate everyone and have negative personalities. So I think that's a way they could bond/get along. I can see them sitting around making snarky comments about the other contestants and laughing together. And honestly that's NOT the main reason I like them. In fact, I don't really think that's why i like them at all. Mostly it's just a reason why I think they can get along. Oh, and just because they don't like each other right now doesn't mean they can't end up liking each other eventually (I'm speaking in terms of friendship or love). It happens. People hate each other and then something happens and they stop hating each other. then they start getting along. just look at Heather and LeShawna. They hated each other and now LeShawna, one of Heather's worst enemies, is one of her only friends. 2. I think their personalities could be amusing together. I can see Heather and Noah getting into intellectual debates. The dialogue that could go between those too would be amusing and interesting to me. Some of this is based off of my own imagination some of it fanfiction. Yes, fanfiction. Fanfiction that I felt handled the two characters well. I don't care if that's dumb. 3. I like the idea of putting Heather with someone who can mentally handle her. Noah can mentally handle her. Sure, so can other people yet at the same time I think Heather can just about outsmart everyone at some time, except for Noah. I think she needs someone who could put her in her place mentally. Someone to challenge her. She needs to be challenged. 4. Along with that, I think she'd be a challenge for Noah too. A challenge he can handle, yes, but a challenge. I think he'd like a bit of a challenge. 5. They'd make an awesome alliance. Rather frightening actually. [ That all being said, this is all just my opinion and why I like Heather and Noah together. This doesn't mean you or anyone have to agree with me. In fact you can think my reasons for liking them are crap. I don't care, I'm still going to like them. and even if i did just like them because they hate everyone I think that'd be my own right to do so.
    You realize that you've said the same thing as "OMG HEATHER AND NOAH SHOULD TOTALLY HOOK UP BECAUSE THEY BOTH HATE EVERYONE", just with more words and the fact that they're both smart (which is sort of the same thing).

    The fact that Heather's character development (like algaesian said) is moving away from her days of "it's like talking to an eggplant" as she becomes friends with Leshawna and such, and the fact that Noah is friends with said happy-happy-joy-joy idiot and his girlfriend, shows that there's actually more to both of them than snark.

    Also, that's wonderful and lovely that you have your opinion and it's not going to change. However, this is a discussion forum, and as you can see, people here like to challenge others' opinions and discuss them. So I'm at perfect liberty to try and talk to you about it, even if I don't care about changing your mind.

    Also, I don't know about Noah necessarily having a conflict with Alejandro; it's a possibility, but that would be the easiest way to make him a Justin clone, which I know that NOBODY wants to happen. If he's going to last longer and do better than Justin, Alejandro needs to not make the same mistakes, maybe actually try to befriend Team E-Scope.
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    HaydenAvery

    [391]Jan 9, 2010
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    to change the subject today is the one year anniversary of TDA. the first episode premiered online at teletoon.com a year ago.
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    iamtunk

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    Actually, I have no problem discussing with anyone about it. I just got overly irritated easily yesterday. I get protective about my pairings, I guess. That and I don't like challenging people about their pairings so I don't like people challenging others about their pairings (even more so when it's mine because I'm stuck on myself). To me it's just like "if they wanna ship it, good reasons or not, then whatever." but you're right. It is a discussion forum, people can challenge others opinions if they want.

    It felt like you were attacking my pairing and I snapped. That, and I still disagree with you. I think I like them more than just because they hate everyone. And I don't see how smart = hating everyone. But whatever. It's more than just because of their negative personalities, but because I like the way their personalities go together. Maybe that is basically the same thing but I think liking a pairing because you like the way their personalities go together is a decent reason to like that pairing. (or at least the way I imagine their personalities go together)

    And yeah, they've developed. but the snarks still there and I love that side of them. Truthfully it's one of the more logical fanon's I've shipped. I can be pretty dang random sometimes.

    Anyway, sorry if I got snappy yesterday. Not sure what my problem was.
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    alagaesian

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    Eh, I've seen worse fighting on this forum. I'm still glad that you two have managed to settle it.

    And I've also seen weirder pairings. Tyler-Gwen, Harold-Sadie, not to mention the HUGE abundance of pairings for Noah that are much more questionable than Heather. Because there are varying opinions on his sexual orientation, I swear, I've seen him paired with half the contestants throughout different fanfictions.
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    shishkabob999

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    alagaesian wrote:
    Eh, I've seen worse fighting on this forum. I'm still glad that you two have managed to settle it.

    And I've also seen weirder pairings. Tyler-Gwen, Harold-Sadie, not to mention the HUGE abundance of pairings for Noah that are much more questionable than Heather. Because there are varying opinions on his sexual orientation, I swear, I've seen him paired with half the contestants throughout different fanfictions.


    I actually do like Noah and Heather, but only for fanon. And yeah, the couples are crazy, but some of the weird ones could really work. I mean, Harold and Sadie are at least pretty friendly with each other, for example.
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    DC-Dude

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    Everyone has some fanon shippings that may sound weird, like mine:

    Ezekiel/Beth

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    Ilovemiley300

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    shishkabob999 wrote:
    alagaesian wrote:
    Eh, I've seen worse fighting on this forum. I'm still glad that you two have managed to settle it.

    And I've also seen weirder pairings. Tyler-Gwen, Harold-Sadie, not to mention the HUGE abundance of pairings for Noah that are much more questionable than Heather. Because there are varying opinions on his sexual orientation, I swear, I've seen him paired with half the contestants throughout different fanfictions.


    I actually do like Noah and Heather, but only for fanon. And yeah, the couples are crazy, but some of the weird ones could really work. I mean, Harold and Sadie are at least pretty friendly with each other, for example.

    there is even a youtube vid about them
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    stephdumas

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    DC-Dude wrote:

    Everyone has some fanon shippings that may sound weird, like mine:

    Ezekiel/Beth

    I like that wierd fanon shipping of Ezekiel-Beth but also the following ones: Trent-Courtney, Cody-Bridgette, Trent-Bridgette, Ezekiel-Izzy, Geoff-Gwen (not totally fanon, in the "Camp-tv" pilot promo, Geoff was with a loner girl who got an hairstyle similar to Gwen)

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    alagaesian

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    Meh, Ezzy has kind of grown on me. I'm a canon-fan, but I was never too fond of Owen-Izzy. And, a romantic relationship would give Ezekiel some much-needed development. I doubt it's going to happen in the show, though, especially since Zeke appears to be voted out first again. But I'm not opposed to it or anything.

    Funny. We don't even know when this season is going to start, but we've already gotten almost 400 posts on this thread.
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    shishkabob999

    [399]Jan 18, 2010
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    I sincerely doubt that Ezekiel is going first. They have to know that he is popular with people, and I don't think it's just us and the people at ff.net, and he desperately needs to have some plot.

    The girls they can get away with not bringing in, but I can see a few directions that Ezekiel can be brought through that aren't even romance-related. The fact that he speaks eight languages? Kind of important for a globe-travelling season. And with Harold being eliminated early and DJ being a chicken, someone's got to stop the three girls on his team from falling for Alejandro.
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    HaydenAvery

    [400]Jan 18, 2010
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    who says Harold is going early? if Zeke isn't going first harold has a chance to go far too.
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