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    zukofangirl2006

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Kills Aaang? He is still alive. Anyway he was just a floating target that rarely happens in Naruto and even if they were just standing still their guard is always up.

    Yes, she killed Aang. The spirit oasis water brought him back when Katara used it to heal him.

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    avalame122

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    acr64 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take a SEASON to kill one enemy in ONE fight.

    Oh, and not all our non-fighting episodes are filler!

    That didn't make sense. Naruto had plenty of non-fighting episodes that weren't filler.
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    SilverFlames

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    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    uchia2000 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.
    Are you seriously trying to bring Avatar and Naruto into the real world? Both would be dead in a heartbeat.

    He means it's rediculous that the show LETS people make speeches like that without the other guy attacking.

    You're obviously new to anime.

    Besides, the lack of realism makes its standing as fiction stand out better.


    New!? Uh, look here n00b

    I've watched the following

    Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing (from the beginning), DBZ, Outlaw Star, Rurouni Kenshin, Inuyasha, Eyeshield 21, Beyblade, Vandread, Love Hina, Blood+, Yu-Yu Hakusho, and plenty more.

    Yeah... don't make yourself look stupid n00b.
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    acr64

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    avalame122 wrote:
    acr64 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long


    Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take a SEASON to kill one enemy in ONE fight.

    That's never happened in Naruto.

    Yet another exaggeration.


    Not Naruto.

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    dantedones

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    DrAvatar wrote:
    dantedones wrote:
    Pumpkinhead1870 wrote:
    dantedones wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'd also like to note that watching fights and actions sequences is actually entertaining in Avatar.

    There is no: "Wow I'm really hurt. Time to talk for an hour. My childhood sucks so bad."

    Second best post in this topic, next to Eman's.
    That post is purely exaggeration.
    Not entirely. Every single piece of canon background is givin in the middle of a fight. Sometimes in the middle of the character about to be attacked by the other guy's best shot. Gaara comes to mind, except he was the one attacking mostly. Definetly Rock Lee. "I never was good at ninjutsus, so I worked hard at taijutsu." Childhood sucks, but it can make you a stronger person sometimes. Great message and all, but yeah, it gets redone a couple dozen times in Naruto. Not knocking it, but don't deny it either. The only characters who seem to have had normal childhoods are Shino and Tenten. And that's only because they haven't poured their soul while pouring out blood, yet.
    but Ten Ten is not important

    What usually makes a character important, is the fact that there has been some kind of tramatizing event or fact in their life. Isn't that why Aang is the main character? (He's the Avatar/ the only family he knew was wiped out when he ran away.) The same goes for Katara and Sokka. (Their mother was killed in a fire nation raid that wiped out most of their village.) And the same goes for Zuko. (His father was going to have him killed to obtain the throne/ his mother disappeared). Avatar uses the tramatizing past thing just as much as Naruto, so you can't say that it's over done. Plus, Sakura had a normal childhood. She was teased, but that isn't out of the ordinary.
    one of the many things avatar and naruto have in common, but I doubt the majority people have enough judgement to say it
    Its true, most of the characters in Avatar are very similar to at least one Naruto character.

    And to be frank, we could prabably have another 25 page thread discussing the similarities between Naruto and Avatar.

    and the majority of people on both sides of this damn argument don't have enough judgement to come out and say that naruto and avatar are alike in more than one way
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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    acr64 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take a SEASON to kill one enemy in ONE fight.

    Oh, and not all our non-fighting episodes are filler!
    It took you guys 3 season to kill the Firelord, and most of the Fire Nation Army. But ya it's still up and running as if Aang didn't attack at all.
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    uchia2000

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Kills Aaang? He is still alive. Anyway he was just a floating target that rarely happens in Naruto and even if they were just standing still their guard is always up.

    Yes, she killed Aang. The spirit oasis water brought him back when Katara used it to heal him.
    She brought him back from the dead?
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    If you watch the fights you'll see that there are numerous fighting styles and a lot of versatility in Avatar.

    Toph is a prime example. Sandbenders use a whole different set of techniques for different purposes, and there's plantbending, metalbending, lightningbending, bloodbending, and tons of fighting styles for each.
    They get rarely used though.

    Same move over and over again gets repetitive. Shadow Clone Jutsu ring a bell.
    Ah point taken. But so does using the same element over and over.

    It's not like it's airblast after airblast after airblast (although to be fair, there are quite a few of those). Somtimes you get tornados, sometimes you get gale sneezes, sometimes you get air bubbles, etc.
    Ya but for me they all seem kind of the same.
    DrAvatar wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.

    Right, what's so unique about Naruto's villains?
    Well they have a cool design and nice plan and plot. Plus they have their own charctersitics and own special attacks nothing you guys would know since this show marely has any attacks besides's the element bending.

    If you're going to say that "the only attacks in Avatar are bending" (which they're not, swordsguys have kicked serious bendeer ***) then I can say "the only attacls in Naruto are jutsu". Bending is extremely versatile and not only used for fighting. Just because there's only four materials to use (five I guess, what with Toph's metalbending) doesn't mean there's not tactics and special techniques and stuff.

    Also, Avatar characters can come up with something new if they're good enough with the basic understanding and technique. It's not memorizing moves and then perfecting them, it's perfecting the bending as a whole and utilizing the full versatility of their powers.
    Ya but every1 except the Avatar can only bend 1 element. Also the attacks in Naruto are way more diverse than Avatar attacks.

    One element, thousands of possibilities. Airbending can be used to keep your opponent away, blow stuff at them, blow them into something, blow them off of something, move faster, fly, acrobatics, etc, and that's an extremely broad way of putting it. Waterbenders can freeze water, therefore can trap their opponents, can use quick strikes like the water whip, cause a huge tidal wave to wash the opponent away and smash them into the ground, or even bloodbend them to your will. I think you get the idea.
    Humm also very few of them use attacks that can actually kill. Aaang for example usually just pushes enemies back with wind.
    Fights in Avatar are usually more focused on being short, interesting, and creative whereas fight sequences in Naruto are focused on being long, violent, and chaotic. Remember Avatar was designed to be targeted toward a wider audience range.
    No? Avatar was designed toward a young audience.
    There are people far older than me here that like the show including whole families.
    Yes but it is aimed at a younger audience. Sure it may appeal to older people but they target younger audiences especially they don't waste time trying to appeal to older people.
    And why does it appeal to a wider audience? I doubt it is a fluke that Avatar has the audience range it does.
    Dunno but it is not meant to target older people it just happens.
    It happens beacause Mike and Bryan are creative geniuses and Avatar is awesome.
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    SilverFlames wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    uchia2000 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.
    Are you seriously trying to bring Avatar and Naruto into the real world? Both would be dead in a heartbeat.

    He means it's rediculous that the show LETS people make speeches like that without the other guy attacking.

    You're obviously new to anime.

    Besides, the lack of realism makes its standing as fiction stand out better.


    New!? Uh, look here n00b

    I've watched the following

    Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing (from the beginning), DBZ, Outlaw Star, Rurouni Kenshin, Inuyasha, Eyeshield 21, Beyblade, Vandread, Love Hina, Blood+, Yu-Yu Hakusho, and plenty more.

    Yeah... don't make yourself look stupid n00b.



    I wasn't talking to you.
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    zukofangirl2006

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    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.
    Naruto's aren't really all that long, and plus they have revelant to the plot.
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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.

    You have no suspension of disbelief.

    You can't be fun to go to the movies with.
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.
    Naruto's aren't really all that long, and plus they have revelant to the plot.

    QFT!!
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    avalame122 wrote:



    I wasn't talking to you.


    If you don't want someone else responding to what you said, PM the person you intended to read it. Otherwise it's fair play for ANYONE to say something about it. That's how forum's work. Don't like it, get off the forum. Not being mean, that's just real.

    Also, YES, Aang did die and Katara brought him back. It's not something she can do again because she has no more of the special water now(yeah it sounds corny).
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    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.

    You have no suspension of disbelief.

    You can't be fun to go to the movies with.

    You know, even though I still disagree with a lot of what you've said, I have to say, you're not petty and you're arguments aren't too bad.
    Much better than the trolls they normally feed us.
    That said, even though this is a heated debate, did a pointless thread such as this one need to go on to be so long?
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    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.
    Naruto's aren't really all that long, and plus they have revelant to the plot.
    I wouldn't say the monologues are ridiculously long but the pace is rather slow overall.
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Kills Aaang? He is still alive. Anyway he was just a floating target that rarely happens in Naruto and even if they were just standing still their guard is always up.

    Yes, she killed Aang. The spirit oasis water brought him back when Katara used it to heal him.
    She brought him back from the dead?

    Yup.

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    acr64 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take a SEASON to kill one enemy in ONE fight.

    Oh, and not all our non-fighting episodes are filler!
    It took you guys 3 season to kill the Firelord, and most of the Fire Nation Army. But ya it's still up and running as if Aang didn't attack at all.

    This show has the realism to show that one kid, no matter how powerful, will not be able to take down a whole army that's been building for 100 years, see Seige of the North Part 1. And the Firelord has not even been reached by the heroes, Azula had her trap set, they ran into her instead, and she occupied them until the eclipse ended.

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    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Personally I don't like friendship speeches and fillers. What about you?
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    acr64 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    SilverFlames wrote:
    let's talk about another issue that Naruto has: TIME. What's up with them long-ass speeches. I mean, in Real World Time, the villain would've accomplished whatever he done by the time one of Naruto's speeches was done.

    This. See Crossroads of Destiny. Azula is smart and kills Aang while he's entering the avatar state-the only real instance of powering up in the show, might I add. Lucky us I can't give an example of a villain attacking during the middle of a speech, because in Avatar there aren't speeched that long

    Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take a SEASON to kill one enemy in ONE fight.

    Oh, and not all our non-fighting episodes are filler!
    It took you guys 3 season to kill the Firelord, and most of the Fire Nation Army. But ya it's still up and running as if Aang didn't attack at all.
    It's kind of what the whole show is about. And they did attack, and they failed. You obviously ignored Day of Black Sun.
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