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    MaddoKos

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    DrAvatar wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    I don't like unnecessary flashbacks. There's some other things, but I need to think on what they are.
    Both Avatar and Naruto use flashbacks. Both shows are pretty even in that category.


    Avatar doesn't flash back to stuff we've already seen.
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    avalame122 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Personally I don't like friendship speeches and fillers. What about you?
    One of the points of Avatar is friendship, and since you don't like fillers you don't like the majority of Naruto.
    Less than half, if not less than a quarter, of Naruto is filler.
    And Avatar has only about 2 episodes in the entire series that are total filler.
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    MarryLarry

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    acr64 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    I only really like a few shows. FMA is a favorite of mine. Oh, Ed doesn't wait for his opponents to draw their circle most of the time, he USES his advantage. Although it's not completely free of speeches in fights, they're a lot less unbelievable.

    But back to Avatar, I don't like any show with rediculously long monologues.
    You have no suspension of disbelief. You can't be fun to go to the movies with.
    You know, even though I still disagree with a lot of what you've said, I have to say, you're not petty and you're arguments aren't too bad. Much better than the trolls they normally feed us. That said, even though this is a heated debate, did a pointless thread such as this one need to go on to be so long?
    But hey BOTH sides had fun did they not? It's always fun to have a debate to see opinions and you counter them and vice versa.

    See, this is kind of an insult to master debaters everywhere. This is pointless arguing. Debates use facts, a person gets time to get their point across, and (here's the kicker that most people failed on) the other side takes time to listen to the other side's point and makes a reasonable counter.

    Here people went back and forth accomplishing nothing and making themselves look like 12-year old children or 30-year old men. Call it for what it is: a Flame War.

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    zukofangirl2006

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    avalame122 wrote:
    Juushiro86 wrote:

    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Naruto: the friendship speeches, sasuke, orochimaru, and the worst thing ever created the 160 episodes of filler we call "hell"

    Bleach: aizen and fillers

    now what about what you hate about avatar?

    Naruto only had 85 episodes of filler. Anyways, I hated unnecessary flashbacks, Orochimaru's insanity, the girls being relatively weak.

    ????

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    MaddoKos wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    I don't like unnecessary flashbacks. There's some other things, but I need to think on what they are.
    Both Avatar and Naruto use flashbacks. Both shows are pretty even in that category.
    Avatar doesn't flash back to stuff we've already seen.
    I'm pretty sure I've seen Aang's flashback more than once.
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    MaddoKos

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    DrAvatar wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    I don't like unnecessary flashbacks. There's some other things, but I need to think on what they are.
    Both Avatar and Naruto use flashbacks. Both shows are pretty even in that category.
    Avatar doesn't flash back to stuff we've already seen.
    I'm pretty sure I've seen Aang's flashback more than once.


    Yeah, I'm probably wrong.
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    uchia2000

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    DrAvatar wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Personally I don't like friendship speeches and fillers. What about you?
    One of the points of Avatar is friendship, and since you don't like fillers you don't like the majority of Naruto.
    Less than half, if not less than a quarter, of Naruto is filler.
    And Avatar has only about 2 episodes in the entire series that are total filler.
    Ok but Avatar takes forever to release episodes. At least Naruto releases episodes even if they are filler.
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    PerfectAgent96

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    What I don't like about naruto is the fact that Naruto keeps chasing after Sasuke despite actually being killed by him once. -_-
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    Eman5805

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    Flashbacks to already seen events only happens in "The Guru" as he's unlocking the chakras(hey look at that, even Avatar has chakra, though it's the more Hindu version).
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    Spacerac

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    I don't like how the sound designers pitch Aang's voice to make him sound higher in the third season. I think they should go ahead and let his voice get a little bit deeper.

    I don't like how slowly the show started and how you have to get someone to watch a specific episode in order to like it, instead of watching it from the very beginning (although I did introduce Avatar from the beginning to my adult sister and she liked it, so there's that at least)
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    avalame122

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    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Juushiro86 wrote:

    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Naruto: the friendship speeches, sasuke, orochimaru, and the worst thing ever created the 160 episodes of filler we call "hell"

    Bleach: aizen and fillers

    now what about what you hate about avatar?

    Naruto only had 85 episodes of filler. Anyways, I hated unnecessary flashbacks, Orochimaru's insanity, the girls being relatively weak.

    ????

    I've seen longer. I'm kind of immune to length these days.
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    LadyLaura26

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    If you watch the fights you'll see that there are numerous fighting styles and a lot of versatility in Avatar.

    Toph is a prime example. Sandbenders use a whole different set of techniques for different purposes, and there's plantbending, metalbending, lightningbending, bloodbending, and tons of fighting styles for each.
    They get rarely used though.

    Same move over and over again gets repetitive. Shadow Clone Jutsu ring a bell.
    Ah point taken. But so does using the same element over and over.

    It's not like it's airblast after airblast after airblast (although to be fair, there are quite a few of those). Somtimes you get tornados, sometimes you get gale sneezes, sometimes you get air bubbles, etc.
    Ya but for me they all seem kind of the same.
    DrAvatar wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.

    Right, what's so unique about Naruto's villains?
    Well they have a cool design and nice plan and plot. Plus they have their own charctersitics and own special attacks nothing you guys would know since this show marely has any attacks besides's the element bending.

    If you're going to say that "the only attacks in Avatar are bending" (which they're not, swordsguys have kicked serious bendeer ***) then I can say "the only attacls in Naruto are jutsu". Bending is extremely versatile and not only used for fighting. Just because there's only four materials to use (five I guess, what with Toph's metalbending) doesn't mean there's not tactics and special techniques and stuff.

    Also, Avatar characters can come up with something new if they're good enough with the basic understanding and technique. It's not memorizing moves and then perfecting them, it's perfecting the bending as a whole and utilizing the full versatility of their powers.
    Ya but every1 except the Avatar can only bend 1 element. Also the attacks in Naruto are way more diverse than Avatar attacks.

    One element, thousands of possibilities. Airbending can be used to keep your opponent away, blow stuff at them, blow them into something, blow them off of something, move faster, fly, acrobatics, etc, and that's an extremely broad way of putting it. Waterbenders can freeze water, therefore can trap their opponents, can use quick strikes like the water whip, cause a huge tidal wave to wash the opponent away and smash them into the ground, or even bloodbend them to your will. I think you get the idea.
    Humm also very few of them use attacks that can actually kill. Aaang for example usually just pushes enemies back with wind.
    Fights in Avatar are usually more focused on being short, interesting, and creative whereas fight sequences in Naruto are focused on being long, violent, and chaotic. Remember Avatar was designed to be targeted toward a wider audience range.
    No? Avatar was designed toward a young audience.

    OMG I can't believe you and perfectagent actually made this post and came over here! I laughed out loud, and still laughing!

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    Maria93

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    OMG !!! I bet all of this people haven't even watched avatar

    Quoting Lisa31468 : Avatar. We're not a fanbase. We're a religion. Prepare to be PWNED.

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    avalame122 wrote:
    Juushiro86 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Naruto: the friendship speeches, sasuke, orochimaru, and the worst thing ever created the 160 episodes of filler we call "hell"

    Bleach: aizen and fillers

    now what about what you hate about avatar?

    Naruto only had 85 episodes of filler. Anyways, I hated unnecessary flashbacks, Orochimaru's insanity, the girls being relatively weak.
    hehe i was wondering when someone would finally point that out

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    uchia2000

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    LadyLaura26 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    If you watch the fights you'll see that there are numerous fighting styles and a lot of versatility in Avatar.

    Toph is a prime example. Sandbenders use a whole different set of techniques for different purposes, and there's plantbending, metalbending, lightningbending, bloodbending, and tons of fighting styles for each.
    They get rarely used though.

    Same move over and over again gets repetitive. Shadow Clone Jutsu ring a bell.
    Ah point taken. But so does using the same element over and over.

    It's not like it's airblast after airblast after airblast (although to be fair, there are quite a few of those). Somtimes you get tornados, sometimes you get gale sneezes, sometimes you get air bubbles, etc.
    Ya but for me they all seem kind of the same.
    DrAvatar wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:
    Eddy654 wrote:
    zukofangirl2006 wrote:

    Eddy654 wrote:
    You guys are really repetive you talk about Naruto being repetive then you are surely mistaken none of you watch Naruto to know that or the manga for that matter. You guys are saying the same things but resiting it again, thats pathetic. Naruto is made up of original villains maybe a few have charcteristics for another show. The villains are unique rather than the taking over earth thing.

    Right, what's so unique about Naruto's villains?
    Well they have a cool design and nice plan and plot. Plus they have their own charctersitics and own special attacks nothing you guys would know since this show marely has any attacks besides's the element bending.

    If you're going to say that "the only attacks in Avatar are bending" (which they're not, swordsguys have kicked serious bendeer ***) then I can say "the only attacls in Naruto are jutsu". Bending is extremely versatile and not only used for fighting. Just because there's only four materials to use (five I guess, what with Toph's metalbending) doesn't mean there's not tactics and special techniques and stuff.

    Also, Avatar characters can come up with something new if they're good enough with the basic understanding and technique. It's not memorizing moves and then perfecting them, it's perfecting the bending as a whole and utilizing the full versatility of their powers.
    Ya but every1 except the Avatar can only bend 1 element. Also the attacks in Naruto are way more diverse than Avatar attacks.

    One element, thousands of possibilities. Airbending can be used to keep your opponent away, blow stuff at them, blow them into something, blow them off of something, move faster, fly, acrobatics, etc, and that's an extremely broad way of putting it. Waterbenders can freeze water, therefore can trap their opponents, can use quick strikes like the water whip, cause a huge tidal wave to wash the opponent away and smash them into the ground, or even bloodbend them to your will. I think you get the idea.
    Humm also very few of them use attacks that can actually kill. Aaang for example usually just pushes enemies back with wind.
    Fights in Avatar are usually more focused on being short, interesting, and creative whereas fight sequences in Naruto are focused on being long, violent, and chaotic. Remember Avatar was designed to be targeted toward a wider audience range.
    No? Avatar was designed toward a young audience.

    OMG I can't believe you and perfectagent actually made this post and came over here! I laughed out loud, and still laughing!

    Um ok but its true. They aim for younger kids because they are easier to attract and Avatar would be far more appealing to a kid. As some people already said you have to wait a few episodes of Avatar to get into it if your older.
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    uchia2000

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    Maria93 wrote:

    OMG !!! I bet all of this people haven't even watched avatar

    Quoting Lisa31468 : Avatar. We're not a fanbase. We're a religion. Prepare to be PWNED.
    Your really late..
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    Ok but Avatar takes forever to release episodes. At least Naruto releases episodes even if they are filler.
    Again, that's the fault of Nickelodeon.
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Personally I don't like friendship speeches and fillers. What about you?
    One of the points of Avatar is friendship, and since you don't like fillers you don't like the majority of Naruto.
    Less than half, if not less than a quarter, of Naruto is filler.
    And Avatar has only about 2 episodes in the entire series that are total filler.
    Ok but Avatar takes forever to release episodes. At least Naruto releases episodes even if they are filler.

    So what? Time between episodes should have no factor in how good you perceive a show to be. Take your time, you get a masterpiece; rush and you get useless filler that adds quantity but subtracts quality of the overall show.

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    Eman5805

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    Ok but Avatar takes forever to release episodes. At least Naruto releases episodes even if they are filler.


    Each Avatar episode costs about $1 million. I don't know what they spend on Naruto(can't be that much, IMO) each episode, but when you drop a 7 digit amount per eppy, with Nickelodeon footing the bill, you can't afford time fillers. Though we did get three funny chibi style episodes.
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    DrAvatar

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    avalame122 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Here's a change of pace, how about we hear the Naruto and Bleach people talk about what they DON'T like with their show? I'm not afraid to say what sounds corny, nonsensical, or whatever in Avatar. Are the other fans real enough with themselves to do the same to their beloved shows?
    Personally I don't like friendship speeches and fillers. What about you?
    One of the points of Avatar is friendship, and since you don't like fillers you don't like the majority of Naruto.
    Less than half, if not less than a quarter, of Naruto is filler.
    And Avatar has only about 2 episodes in the entire series that are total filler.
    Ok but Avatar takes forever to release episodes. At least Naruto releases episodes even if they are filler.
    The episodes were done long ago, Nickelodeon just isn't airing them b/c the executives are stupid. Also, Avatar doesnt have a manga or previous source so all the episodes need a script first. Thirdly, each episode of Avatar is its own piece of work. Animation is also more popular in Japan and its probably cheaper to produce an episode.
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