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Kemicle
[41]Jul 12, 2008
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I don't think they were forced into the war. The whole country is fascist, (whether the population knows it or not) and see's Ozai as a protector, and a leader. The majority of the people are in fact, happy.
It's two generations, (or one if the person is a powerful bender) that have had all their history books rewritten and led to believe that the Fire Nation is doing some great justice to the world.
The war is actually a lot longer than 100 years. Because Roku had to deal with it's beginning in the prime of his life.
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tomtitan
[42]Jul 12, 2008
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Axrendale wrote:

Eyes bleeding amounts of win in the first post of this thread.
WHY CAN'T MORE NEWBS BE LIKE YOU?
*cries from epic win overdose*
You sir, have just won teh interwebz!
Edited on 07/12/2008 3:28am
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picaboomman
[43]Jul 12, 2008
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something i made
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Axrendale

[44]Jul 12, 2008

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tomtitan wrote:

Axrendale wrote:

Eyes bleeding amounts of win in the first post of this thread.

WHY CAN'T MORE NEWBS BE LIKE YOU?

*cries from epic win overdose*

You sir, have just won teh interwebz!

Whenever I am making a thread, I simply follow Azula's favorite maxim: "Almost perfect isn't good enough".

And Kudos to matrix_mind, that is exactly the sort of thing I think should be on this thread; Other reasons why it would be smart for Aang not to kill Ozai, or, if you think that Ozai will die, don't just say so, but also provide somthing that contradicts my first post and explains how killing him is going to end the war.

Edited on 07/13/2008 2:43pm
Edited 2 total times.

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SlargTheGnome
[45]Jul 12, 2008
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You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.
So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?
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toosmooth

[46]Jul 12, 2008

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SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

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SlargTheGnome

[47]Jul 12, 2008

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toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

Hi toosmooth!! Glad to see you're back.

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toosmooth

[48]Jul 12, 2008

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SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

Hi toosmooth!! Glad to see you're back.

Glad to see you too.

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SlargTheGnome

[49]Jul 12, 2008

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toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

Hi toosmooth!! Glad to see you're back.

Glad to see you too.

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toosmooth

[50]Jul 12, 2008

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SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

Hi toosmooth!! Glad to see you're back.

Glad to see you too.

Come to the OffTopic lounge! we need your votes!

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SlargTheGnome

[51]Jul 12, 2008

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toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

Hi toosmooth!! Glad to see you're back.

Glad to see you too.

Come to the OffTopic lounge! we need your votes!

What are we voting on?

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toosmooth

[52]Jul 12, 2008

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SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

toosmooth wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

HI SLARG!

*Waves*

Hi toosmooth!! Glad to see you're back.

Glad to see you too.

Come to the OffTopic lounge! we need your votes!

What are we voting on?

You'll see.

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amdragfreak

[53]Jul 12, 2008

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SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after
***SPOILER***

, Ozai tries to attack, only to fall off a cliff and perish in a giant explosion.

Edited on 07/12/2008 12:45pm
Edited 2 total times.

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PsychoPass

[54]Jul 12, 2008

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amdragfreak wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

But Zuko is also a traitor of the fire nation. Why would they want a traitor to ascend the throne?

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suss2it

[56]Jul 12, 2008

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amdragfreak wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after

Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

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amdragfreak

[57]Jul 12, 2008

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suss2it wrote:

amdragfreak wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after

Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

You people just love to one up me.

Okay, how about this. They have been deemed traitors under Ozai, but with Ozai dead... Plus, Iroh and Zuko would be the only blood relatives left, making them the only living heirs.

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PsychoPass

[58]Jul 12, 2008

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amdragfreak wrote:

suss2it wrote:

amdragfreak wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after

Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

You people just love to one up me.

Okay, how about this. They have been deemed traitors under Ozai, but with Ozai dead... Plus, Iroh and Zuko would be the only blood relatives left, making them the only living heirs.

But blood isn't always the reason for succession in the fire nation. In an interview, the creators said the fire lord sometimes has to fight generals and other leaders to maintain control. To also have a reputation. Who's to say a general or ambitious politician won't try to take the thrown? (even though that obviously won't happen :p).

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suss2it

[59]Jul 12, 2008

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amdragfreak wrote:

suss2it wrote:

amdragfreak wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after

Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

You people just love to one up me.

Okay, how about this. They have been deemed traitors under Ozai, but with Ozai dead... Plus, Iroh and Zuko would be the only blood relatives left, making them the only living heirs.

Seriously once they are deemed traitors, it doesn't matter if they are blood related they are no longer heirs to the throne. Only if the new leaders of the Fire Nation, or Ozai himself say otherwise can they actually become heirs again.

In fact I'll be shocked if Ozai dies and Zuko inexplicably becomes the Firelord since it's illogical and doesn't make any sense.

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amdragfreak

[60]Jul 12, 2008

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suss2it wrote:

amdragfreak wrote:

suss2it wrote:

amdragfreak wrote:

SlargTheGnome wrote:

You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after

Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

You people just love to one up me.

Okay, how about this. They have been deemed traitors under Ozai, but with Ozai dead... Plus, Iroh and Zuko would be the only blood relatives left, making them the only living heirs.

Seriously once they are deemed traitors, it doesn't matter if they are blood related they are no longer heirs to the throne. Only if the new leaders of the Fire Nation, or Ozai himself say otherwise can they actually become heirs again. In fact I'll be shocked if Ozai dies and Zuko inexplicably becomes the Firelord since it's illogical and doesn't make any sense.

Ozai would never let Zuko take the throne. They could have him in chains and be torturing him, but he'd still say no.

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