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Why I think Ozai will be taken alive

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    Axrendale

    [21]Jul 11, 2008
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    It's true. The book is accurate.

    [/QUOTE]

    Just because what's in the book is accurate doesn't mean there isn't going to be a whole lot more. Not to sound like I'm promoting my own thread or anything but...

    http://www.tv.com/avatar-the-last-airbender/show/28841/a-brief-history-of-adaptions-and-why-theyre-always-wrong/topic/13281-1107362/msgs.html?tag=board_topics;title;15

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    toosmooth

    [22]Jul 11, 2008
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    I think the book is fake. If it's not made my Bryke on one of Nickelodeon's most successful shows about the finale, then it is most likely written by some nobody.
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    xRamensx

    [23]Jul 11, 2008
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    toosmooth wrote:
    I think the book is fake. If it's not made my Bryke on one of Nickelodeon's most successful shows about the finale, then it is most likely written by some nobody.

    The thing is, there's that interview. I don't think that person could put in a fake interview. I'm not completely saying it's true, but I'm also not denying it. I'm more leaning to towards the book being a watered-down version of the actual finale.

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    toosmooth

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    xRamensx wrote:

    toosmooth wrote:
    I think the book is fake. If it's not made my Bryke on one of Nickelodeon's most successful shows about the finale, then it is most likely written by some nobody.

    The thing is, there's that interview. I don't think that person could put in a fake interview. I'm not completely saying it's true, but I'm also not denying it. I'm more leaning to towards the book being a watered-down version of the actual finale.

    What interview?
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    xRamensx

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    toosmooth wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    toosmooth wrote:
    I think the book is fake. If it's not made my Bryke on one of Nickelodeon's most successful shows about the finale, then it is most likely written by some nobody.

    The thing is, there's that interview. I don't think that person could put in a fake interview. I'm not completely saying it's true, but I'm also not denying it. I'm more leaning to towards the book being a watered-down version of the actual finale.

    What interview?

    There's an interview at the end between the author and Bryke.

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    PsychoPass

    [26]Jul 11, 2008
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    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig*

    Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.
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    amdragfreak

    [27]Jul 11, 2008
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    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

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    1MMfan

    [28]Jul 11, 2008
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    I only read parts of it,but judging by the parts I read as well as the title,I'd say you have a good point.Killing him will only make the fire nation angrier and they'd still be mad.They could defeat him while keeping him alive,which could stop the fire nation.

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    MaddoKos

    [29]Jul 11, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:

    AvatarSensation wrote:
    Well I guess you have a point there. But you never really know I guess. But then what would the Avatar do with an alive Ozai and Azula? I'm sure it's not as simple as putting them in jail...

    Well, there's always those freezer things in the boiling rock.



    I don't know...I mean Zuko didn't seem to really have that much trouble when he was put in the freezer. I think those things only work on weaker firebenders.
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    AvatarSensation

    [30]Jul 11, 2008
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    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig*

    Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    I know. I like this thread...but I totally skipped the book talk. If it keeps going I'm going to have to resort to either ignoring this thread or reporting it as an unsafe thread.
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    suss2it

    [31]Jul 11, 2008
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    amdragfreak wrote:

    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

    You didn't explain why. You want Azula & Ozai to die simply to say screw you censorship?
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    amdragfreak

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    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:

    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

    You didn't explain why. You want Azula & Ozai to die simply to say screw you censorship?

    I want them to die because that's what I've been waiting for for two years. They killed off Zhao, Jet, Yue and Combustion Man, so why not the two main villains. We have been told several times that Ozai needs to die. Seeing Ozai and Azula rot in prison is not satisfying.

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    picaboomman

    [33]Jul 11, 2008
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    toosmooth wrote:
    I think the book is fake. If it's not made my Bryke on one of Nickelodeon's most successful shows about the finale, then it is most likely written by some nobody.


    most of it is not fake

    sorry
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    suss2it

    [34]Jul 11, 2008
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    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:

    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

    You didn't explain why. You want Azula & Ozai to die simply to say screw you censorship?

    I want them to die because that's what I've been waiting for for two years. They killed off Zhao, Jet, Yue and Combustion Man, so why not the two main villains. We have been told several times that Ozai needs to die. Seeing Ozai and Azula rot in prison is not satisfying.

    Zhao died because of his own stupidity, Yue sacrificed herself for the betterment of her people and Jet was a casualty of war and corruption. Think about it, if Ozai and Azula died how exactly would that end the war? So I don't think they need to die.
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    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:

    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

    You didn't explain why. You want Azula & Ozai to die simply to say screw you censorship?

    I want them to die because that's what I've been waiting for for two years. They killed off Zhao, Jet, Yue and Combustion Man, so why not the two main villains. We have been told several times that Ozai needs to die. Seeing Ozai and Azula rot in prison is not satisfying.


    if they were in the same cell it would be interesting
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    Hiei1314

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    WHOAH. I never thought of like that. You're really smart! And it would make a lot of sense for them to take Ozai and/or Azula alive. And like many other people here said, I liked your comparison to Caesar's murder and the Roman Empire.

    But if they don't kill them, what will they do with them afterwards?

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    darkbender24

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    Can firebender bend under water? because if they cant maybe they can put them in a prison under the sea or something among those lines
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    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:

    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

    You didn't explain why. You want Azula & Ozai to die simply to say screw you censorship?

    I want them to die because that's what I've been waiting for for two years. They killed off Zhao, Jet, Yue and Combustion Man, so why not the two main villains. We have been told several times that Ozai needs to die. Seeing Ozai and Azula rot in prison is not satisfying.

    Did you even read my post? we all know that Avatar has been ruthless in the past in killing off main characters, this is a thread about why I think Ozai and/or Azula won't die not because the writers are afraid of a little death, but because they prefer smart endings to popular endings. Another thing - I would like you to point out even a single line of dialouge when somone tells Aang that he needs to kill the firelord. There is none. They always use the saqme key word - "defeat". And why do you keep endlessly going on abouthow it wouldn't be satisfying to see Ozai in prison rather than dead. I would think that spending the rest of his life rotting in some jail ten miles underneath Ba Sing Se would be far more humiliating and punishing for him than going out in a blaze of glory against the most powerful being in the world.

    There is an old saying; "Beware those in whom the desire to punish is overwhelming". Isn't that what's going on here, the desire to punish?

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    suss2it

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    darkbender24 wrote:
    Can firebender bend under water? because if they cant maybe they can put them in a prison under the sea or something among those lines
    How would they go about breathing?
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    Axrendale wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:

    PsychoPass wrote:
    OK, can we stop talking about the book please? *points to sig* Anyway, I highly doubt censorship issues would be the cause of Azula and/or Ozai not dieing if they don't die. Zhao and Jet died (though, offscreen really) but the point is that they did die. It'd be screwed up if the creators had to alter the entire story for the sake of censorship.

    And that is why Ozai and azula should die.

    You didn't explain why. You want Azula & Ozai to die simply to say screw you censorship?

    I want them to die because that's what I've been waiting for for two years. They killed off Zhao, Jet, Yue and Combustion Man, so why not the two main villains. We have been told several times that Ozai needs to die. Seeing Ozai and Azula rot in prison is not satisfying.

    Did you even read my post? we all know that Avatar has been ruthless in the past in killing off main characters, this is a thread about why I think Ozai and/or Azula won't die not because the writers are afraid of a little death, but because they prefer smart endings to popular endings. Another thing - I would like you to point out even a single line of dialouge when somone tells Aang that he needs to kill the firelord. There is none. They always use the saqme key word - "defeat". And why do you keep endlessly going on abouthow it wouldn't be satisfying to see Ozai in prison rather than dead. I would think that spending the rest of his life rotting in some jail ten miles underneath Ba Sing Se would be far more humiliating and punishing for him than going out in a blaze of glory against the most powerful being in the world.

    There is an old saying; "Beware those in whom the desire to punish is overwhelming". Isn't that what's going on here, the desire to punish?

    I will make this short.... An ever repeating theme in Avatar has been death. And what this has shown us again and again is that death is not percieved negatively or as a punishment, just as another journey.

    So killing Ozai would not be the ultimate punishment (there has to be somthign else...) Also in relation Aang has reflected over and over again the value and sanctity of someones life, no matter who they are; wether it be giving people second chances (Zuko) or that anyone is capable of great love or great evil (Avatar and the Firelord). (if ya dont know what im on about listen to dongufeng.com "From the Spirit World Podcast")

    So i think the possibility of Aang sparing Oza's life would be as Axrendale said , a smart ending. It would be the ultimate conclusion to Aang's chracter development if depsite everything he kept to his morals and values and preserved life, rather than racked up the courage to end it.

    And one last point, it said in the summary on the nick.com website for Episode 320: Book 3 Volume 4 DVD that "will Aang have the heart to defeat the Fielord?" I think the fact that this was included in a one sentance summary for the episode means a main plot point that maybe Aang will have issues with killng Ozai. Just my two cents worth

    Edited on 07/11/2008 11:50pm
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