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Why I think Ozai will be taken alive

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    suss2it

    [81]Jul 14, 2008
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    amdragfreak wrote:
    I actually think I have a decent argument on why Ozai and Azula need to die.

    The threat will never be over until the two are dead. You say that the Fire Nation would be angry that the Avatar killed them, but wouldn't they be just as angry at the fact that they are rotting the rest of their lives in prison. They could start a mob or whatever to try to assassinate Zuko and/or Iroh. And even without his bending, Ozai can still escape, just like Iroh did, seeing as Ozai is just as powerful (if not more) than Iroh. They could both escape and join that mob.

    You could say that they could be taken to The Boiling Rock, but once again, escape is not impossible.

    The threat will never truly be gone as long as Ozai and Azula are alive.
    What would prevent a mob if Ozai and Azula are dead? Sure no prison is 100% but it'd be pretty difficult for them to escape the Boiling Rock. And even if they do then what? The Avatar could simply recapture them, and even form his own prison to old those two.
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    Axrendale

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    That Ozai and Azula could escape to live and fight another day is certainly a great risk, but while killing them would stop them from being a threat in the future, it would not solve the problem of how to bring the FN military to heel and withdraw from the EK. The gaang need some way of making sure that a mob isn't started without Ozai or Azula before they can worry about Ozai or Azula escaping to start one.
    Edited on 07/14/2008 6:54pm
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    suss2it

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    Axrendale wrote:
    That Ozai and Azula could escape to live and fight another day is certainly a great risk, but while killing them would stop them from being a threat in the future, it would not solve the problem of how to bring the FN military to heel and withdraw from the EK. The gaang need some way of making sure that a mob isn't started without Ozai or Azula before they can worry about Ozai or Azula escaping to start one.

    ***SPOILER***
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    Axrendale

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    I think it is time to let this thread die.

    There are several "spoilers"from the book on it now, and in any case, the primary purpose of it was to provide a plausible explanation for why Bryke might have decided not to kill the villains.

    If the villains do die, then I have faith in Bryke providing an explanation for how the war is ended, and I will be glad to have been wrong.

    amdragfreak, (picaboomman?) my hat goes of to you as worthy intellectual opponents who believe witha passion.

    *departs*

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    amdragfreak

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    suss2it wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    That Ozai and Azula could escape to live and fight another day is certainly a great risk, but while killing them would stop them from being a threat in the future, it would not solve the problem of how to bring the FN military to heel and withdraw from the EK. The gaang need some way of making sure that a mob isn't started without Ozai or Azula before they can worry about Ozai or Azula escaping to start one.

    ***SPOILER***

    Did you or did you not read my post? Iroh escaped without his bending; what makes Ozai so different. He's probably even more powerful than Iroh.

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    Axrendale

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    *returns to combat blatant ridulousness*

    Okay, even assuming, just assuming, mind you, that Iroh broke out of the cage without heating the bars to weaken them or anything (and that requires a fairly huge leap of the immagination) are you really trying to tell me that he pwned the small army of prison guards without using any firebending at all?

    You can't be. I refuse to accept it. I have heard some truly ridiculous things in the last few days, but this is really stretching the limit.

    And what I said in my previous post - I take it back. (but not the part about picaboomman, who is awsome.

    *glares at amdragfreak for reviving a thread that has outlived its purpose*

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    suss2it

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    ***SPOILER***
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    amdragfreak

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Okay, even assuming, just assuming, mind you, that Iroh broke out of the cage without heating the bars to weaken them or anything (and that requires a fairly huge leap of the immagination) are you really trying to tell me that he pwned the small army of prison guards without using any firebending at all?

    You can't be. I refuse to accept it. I have heard some truly ridiculous things in the last few days, but this is really stretching the limit.

    Now THAT is ridiculous. It was during the eclipse smart one!

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    KingAtticus

    [89]Jul 14, 2008
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    Aang must kill the Fire Lord. He even said so himself.
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    mjking963789

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    Hw didnt say he has to kill him but defeat him
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    mjking963789 wrote:
    Hw didnt say he has to kill him but defeat him
    not in the trailer. he said kill.
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    Axrendale

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    amdragfreak wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Okay, even assuming, just assuming, mind you, that Iroh broke out of the cage without heating the bars to weaken them or anything (and that requires a fairly huge leap of the immagination) are you really trying to tell me that he pwned the small army of prison guards without using any firebending at all?

    You can't be. I refuse to accept it. I have heard some truly ridiculous things in the last few days, but this is really stretching the limit.

    Now THAT is ridiculous. It was during the eclipse smart one!

    Doesn't matter. Even if it was during the eclipse (and there is no evidence that he broke out during those few minutes) then the guards wouldn't have had any firebending either. Either way, Iroh had an advantage that Ozai most likely won't (depends on when the next eclipse is).

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    caseybocook

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    Aang won't kill Ozai thats not how an air-bender thinks.
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    suss2it

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    KingAtticus wrote:
    Aang must kill the Fire Lord. He even said so himself.
    He's only 13, he doesn't really possess ultimate knowledge.
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    dannysgal

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    SlargTheGnome wrote:

    You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

    So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

    How much of a favored daughter can she be now? She lied about Aang's death, she didn't bring back Zuko in chains from the Boiling rock, a very expensive war balloon was stolen because of her, her two friends allowed the escape of prince Zuko which is a very big disadvantage. She's probably in a heap of trouble so I don't think Ozai will care any more. And we can't quite kill them off because then what? Go into the spirit world and take over that? You have to show them humility or find a way to take out the threat in a permanant way.

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    dannysgal

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    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:
    SlargTheGnome wrote:

    You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

    So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

    Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

    Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after
    Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

    You people just love to one up me.

    Okay, how about this. They have been deemed traitors under Ozai, but with Ozai dead... Plus, Iroh and Zuko would be the only blood relatives left, making them the only living heirs.

    Seriously once they are deemed traitors, it doesn't matter if they are blood related they are no longer heirs to the throne. Only if the new leaders of the Fire Nation, or Ozai himself say otherwise can they actually become heirs again. In fact I'll be shocked if Ozai dies and Zuko inexplicably becomes the Firelord since it's illogical and doesn't make any sense.

    Ozai would never let Zuko take the throne. They could have him in chains and be torturing him, but he'd still say no.

    Unless he battled them in an agni kai for the throne, if he wins then it's all his! And even if he doesn't they just need Azula to go down and him still be standing with Ozai unable to have a say. Then they have no choice because he won the throne. And that way they could kill of Ozai and Azula because he won it in a fire duel that proves he's the stronger more capable leader.

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    Axrendale wrote:

    What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that the firenation is in complete control of the world now, and killing Ozai and Azula is not going to change that.

    Not really, being in complete control of the world means that a majority of the FN people/inhabitants came from other nations. The colonies of the FN in the Earth Kingdom, as shown in the episode Imprisoned, were treated poorly and taxed heavily, not to mention that their loved ones were taken away if they were found to be earthbenders. Killing Ozai will make the FN lose their monarch and therefore become unstable, without having someone to oversee their domination of the world. Also the people probably wouldnt revolt considering some villages, like the one in The Painted Lady actually suffered from the war. and i'm guessing that the villagers werent too fond of ozai. Though the problem that still remains as you mentioned Axrendale is that the aristrocrats, generals and people in power probably wouldnt approve of a new leader such as zuko or iroh.

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    dannysgal wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    amdragfreak wrote:
    SlargTheGnome wrote:

    You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

    So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

    Actually, that's not true. If both Ozai and Azula die, it doesn't matter what Ozai wanted. The throne would go to one of the only living heirs: Zuko or Iroh.

    Plus, Ozai would never surrender willfully. I could imagine something like after
    Well actually Zuko nor Iroh are heirs to the throne, since they've been deemed traitors.

    You people just love to one up me.

    Okay, how about this. They have been deemed traitors under Ozai, but with Ozai dead... Plus, Iroh and Zuko would be the only blood relatives left, making them the only living heirs.

    Seriously once they are deemed traitors, it doesn't matter if they are blood related they are no longer heirs to the throne. Only if the new leaders of the Fire Nation, or Ozai himself say otherwise can they actually become heirs again. In fact I'll be shocked if Ozai dies and Zuko inexplicably becomes the Firelord since it's illogical and doesn't make any sense.

    Ozai would never let Zuko take the throne. They could have him in chains and be torturing him, but he'd still say no.

    Unless he battled them in an agni kai for the throne, if he wins then it's all his! And even if he doesn't they just need Azula to go down and him still be standing with Ozai unable to have a say. Then they have no choice because he won the throne. And that way they could kill of Ozai and Azula because he won it in a fire duel that proves he's the stronger more capable leader.

    thats not a bad idea, but i doubt we'll see zuko fight ozai

    remember in DoBS zuko said that it was the Avatar's destiny to stop ozai not his

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    suss2it

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    dannysgal wrote:
    SlargTheGnome wrote:

    You make a very good point. It would be impossible for Zuko/Iroh to take the throne without any protest unless Ozai "permitted" it. That whole thing with him being forced into passing the rule to one of them is actually a really good idea. I can definitely see that happening.

    So. . . now that I think about it, Ozai probably won't die. . . but that doesn't mean Azula can't die a horrible gruesome death. And really, what do you think would be worse for Ozai -- dying, or watching his favored daughter get killed?

    How much of a favored daughter can she be now? She lied about Aang's death, she didn't bring back Zuko in chains from the Boiling rock, a very expensive war balloon was stolen because of her, her two friends allowed the escape of prince Zuko which is a very big disadvantage. She's probably in a heap of trouble so I don't think Ozai will care any more. And we can't quite kill them off because then what? Go into the spirit world and take over that? You have to show them humility or find a way to take out the threat in a permanant way.

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    kratosgod69

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    From the book?
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