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    Gantros

    [21]Jun 12, 2006
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    Morlock19 wrote:
    i feel that all of this is suspect. the avatar is supposed to *be* the balance of energy in the world. he balances the spirit and material world, the four nations... there is no reason to have a "dark avatar." if nothing else, THEY would just fight all the time, with no avail (see any justice league episode, or super hero comic).

    theres no reason to think that anything is actually trapped in the comet, the comet is what gives the firebenders their power, like another sun. if there was true balence, there much be something that gives the other three bending arts power also.

    shadow bending? guh fuh?

    unless they actually pulled it off in some awsome spetacular way, then an "anti-avatar" would be what makes the show jump the shark. that or sokka learning how to waterbend.


    You are thinking in a straightforward way, you have to think abstract.
    In the forgotten past, the Avatar Spirit was split for some reason into two Avatars, divided on the one thing that could be split equally, negative and positive Chi, Yin and Yang. As a result, one Avatar became the personification of the good in humanity, the one that was accepted by the people as the "true" Avatar. The other, however, represented the personifaction of the worst in humanity, the Dark or "anti" Avatar. Such nearly pure forms created new bending disciplines, Shadow and Lightbending, which is derived from the direct manipulation of negative and positive energy, which is visualized in artistic abstract by the manipulation of light and shadow. The "true" Avatar knew that Lightbending is too much of a good thing, it eventually destroys the user. The Dark Avatar used his Shadowbending to attempt to conquer the world, creating shadowbenders that he could bend to his will by manipulating the negative energy corrupting their hearts. The Dark Avatar became such a threat that the four Nations patron Spirits joined the "true" Avatar to seal away the Dark Avatar Spirit in a prison made up of the four elements, and cast it into the void, becoming a comet that passes every 100 years.

    Over countless generations (you saw all the statues in the Souther Air Temple), the Comet's true purpose was forgotten, and Sozen (or someone else, we don't really know who tapped the Comet first) decided to try and tap the Comet, and fell under the influence of the Dark Avatar Spirit. The catch is that the seal was not damaged enough to allow the Spirit to escape, so the plan was set into motion to weaken the worlds resistance against the DA's eventual return, by attempting to break or control the Avatar Cycle, weaken the other Nations, and kill/nullify their patron Spirits if possible.

    SO, the way this fits into the series is the DA is basically a back up villain for post season 3. If we only get 3 seasons, the Firelord is defeated the DA remains sealed. If we get more than 3, the DA is freed, possesses someone and Aang must find a way (Lightbending) to defeat the DA and his Shadowbenders, which the world has no immediate defense against, instilling fear and giving the DA and his Shadowbenders mythic status. Also, political storylines may develop as the once seperate nations must band together for survival. This creates problems for those Fire Nation citizens who did not fall under the DA's influence with his return, being at the mercy of the people they had oppressed and attempted to conquer/destroy for a century. This gives Zuko a chance to develop as a leader for his people and gives Aang's friends to work together to knit the remaining Nations into an alliance of sorts. There are a great deal of positive messages to be sent in this.
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    bbaabboo

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    ok im lost now. where did you get a speculation of shadowbending?? plus do you think that there will be other bendings learned in the Avatar world??
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    Gantros

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    bbaabboo wrote:
    ok im lost now. where did you get a speculation of shadowbending?? plus do you think that there will be other bendings learned in the Avatar world??

    Here is the article in wikipedia.org on Yin Yang:

    The concept of yin and yang (Traditional Chinese: 陰陽; Simplified Chinese: 阴阳; Pinyin: yīny??ng; Korean hangul: 음양; hanja: 陰陽; revised: eumyang; McCune-Reischauer: ŭmyang; Vietnamese: ??m-Dương; Japanese: 陰陽, in'yō; Thai: หยิน หยาง or อิม เอี้ยง originates in ancient Chinese philosophy and metaphysics, which describes two primal opposing but complementary forces found in all things in the universe. Yin, the darker element, is passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night; yang, the brighter element, is active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day; yin is often symbolized by water, while yang is symbolized by fire.

    The pair probably goes back to ancient agrarian religion; it exists in Confucianism, and it is prominent in Taoism. Though the words yin and yang only appear once in the Tao Te Ching, the book is laden with examples and clarifications of the concept of mutual arising. The concept is a fundamental principle of Traditional Chinese Medicine.

    Yin and yang are descriptions of complementary opposites rather than absolutes. Any yin/yang dichotomy can be seen as its opposite when viewed from another perspective. The categorisation is seen as one of convenience. Most forces in nature can be broken down into their respective yin and yang states, and the two are usually in movement rather than held in absolute stasis.

    The symbol can also be written as ☯, with unicode U+262F.

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    1 Meaning of terms
    2 Principles
    3 See also
    4 External links


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    Meaning of terms
    The meaning of the characters for yin and yang, necessarily, has more than just one connotation. Because yang means "sunny", it corresponds to the day and more active functions, whereas yin, meaning "shady", corresponds to night and dormancy. Yin and yang can be compared in the chart to the right.

    Yin/Yang
    moon/sun
    night/day
    dark/light
    cool/warm
    rest/active
    feminine/masculine
    north/south
    winter/summer
    right/left
    introversion/extroversion
    earth/heaven
    even/odd
    6* 9*
    8** 7**
    * major symbol numbers;
    ** minor symbol numbers

    It is also possible to look at yin and yang with respect to the flow of time. Noon, is full yang, sunset is yang turning to yin; midnight is full yin and sunrise is yin turning to yang. This flow of time can also be expressed in seasonal changes and directions. South and Summer are full yang; West and Autumn are yang turning to yin; North and Winter are full yin, and East and Spring are yin turning over to yang.

    Yin and yang are often used in reference to disease, and many Asian cultures treat the hot/cold or wet/dry diseases with opposite treatments. For example, a yin symptom such as coldness would be treated with yang treatments, such as hot foods. A yang symptom such as nervousness would be treated with yin treatments- cold foods such as fruits.

    Yin and yang can also be seen as a process of transformation which describes the changes between the phases of a cycle. For example, cold water (yin) can be boiled and eventually turn into steam (yang).

    One way to write the symbols for yin and yang are a solid line (yang) and a broken line (yin) which could be divided into the four stages of yin and yang and further divided into the eight trigrams (these trigrams are used on the South Korea flag). The symbol shown at the top righthand corner of this page, called Taijitu (太極圖, is another way to show yin and yang. The mostly white portion, being brighter, is yang and the mostly dark portion, being dim, is yin. Each, however, contains the seed of its opposite. Yin and yang are equally important, unlike the typical dualism of good and evil.

    The concept is called yin yang, not yang yin, just because the former has a preferred pronunciation in Chinese (see Standard Mandarin - Tones for detail), and the word order has no cultural or philosophical meaning.

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    Principles
    Everything can be described as both yin and yang.

    1. Yin and yang are opposites.

    Everything has its opposite???although this is never absolute, only relative. No one thing is completely yin or completely yang. Each contains the seed of its opposite. For example, winter can turn into summer; "what goes up must come down".

    2. Yin and yang are interdependent.

    One cannot exist without the other. For example, day cannot exist without night. Peace cannot exist without chaos.

    3. Yin and yang can be further subdivided into yin and yang.

    Any yin or yang aspect can be further subdivided into yin and yang. For example, temperature can be seen as either hot or cold. However, hot can be further divided into warm or burning; cold into cool or icy. Within each spectrum, there is a smaller spectrum; every beginning is a moment in time, and has a beginning and end, just as every hour has a beginning and end.

    4. Yin and yang consume and support each other.

    Yin and yang are usually held in balance???as one increases, the other decreases. However, imbalances can occur. There are four possible imbalances: Excess yin, excess yang, yin deficiency, and yang deficiency. They can again be seen as a pair: by excess of yin there is yang deficiency and vice versa. The imbalance is also a relative factor: the excess of yang "forces" yin to be more "concentrated".

    5. Yin and yang can transform into one another.

    At a particular stage, yin can transform into yang and vice versa. For example, night changes into day; warmth cools; life changes to death. However this transformation is relative too. Night and day coexist on Earth at the same time when shown from space.

    6. Part of yin is in yang and part of yang is in yin.

    The dots in each serve: 1. as a reminder that there are always traces of one in the other. For example, there is always light within the dark (e.g., the stars at night), these qualities are never completely one or the other. 2. as a reminder that absolute extreme side transforms instantly into the opposite, or that the labels yin and yang are conditioned by an observer's point of view. For example, the hardest stone is easiest to break. This can show that absolute discrimination between the two is artificial.

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    Gantros

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    xanman05

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    mabye the dark avatar seed could be part of Sozun's comet and whoever controlls the comet controlls the seed. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if we saw a coupt de tat from Azula
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    Gantros

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    xanman05 wrote:
    mabye the dark avatar seed could be part of Sozun's comet and whoever controlls the comet controlls the seed. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if we saw a coupt de tat from Azula
    Interesting, but it would make the Dark Avatar "seed" a weapon, not an entity. How about this, the Dark Avatar has been severely weakened during it's imprisonment, essentially starving to death. Here's how it could be introduced: Firelord Ozai is defeated, the Comet destroyed and shattered. Azula, clutching her face, crawls away from the Fire Nation capital, having lost Agni Kai with Zuko, perhaps when she tries to fire lightning at Zuko and he redirects it back at her, scarring her face. She finds a glowing black fragment of the Comet in a crater out in the hills outside the city. In desperation, she tries to draw some fading remnant of its power, but suddenly we have something rush toward her from within the fragment, and from first person perspective, enter her eye (think the path of the archer's arrow at the end of "The Blue Spirit" before it struck Zuko), then with a completely black screen, you hear her laugh. End Season 3.
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    Gantros

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    In my last version of this post, someone suggested that Azula's eyes be like a negative to show the physical??changes she made by embracing the Dark Avatar Spirit. I discovered a website that makes theatrical contact lenses (9mmsfx.com), like the Sharingan eye from Naruto, for example. This is the "Negative Eye" they had:

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    Gantros

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    xanman05

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    that could work, but the whole meteor fragments giving ppl superpowers is hinting into supermanland
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    animekitsune

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    xanman05 wrote:
    that could work, but the whole meteor fragments giving ppl superpowers is hinting into supermanland

    >_< are you listening??? There's an evil dude inside the comet.

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    Gantros

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    animekitsune wrote:

    xanman05 wrote:
    that could work, but the whole meteor fragments giving ppl superpowers is hinting into supermanland

    >_< are you listening??? There's an evil dude inside the comet.

    The fragment I referred to is the one piece of the Comet that still imprisoned the DA Spirit. Shikon Jewel this ain't.
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    Gantros

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    Gantros

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    I think I should have been more clear on the "fragment". Let me set the stage for you:

    1.) Azula and Zuko face off in an impromptu Agni Kai in what must be a devastated or rundown part of the Fire Nation Capital. Since "Bitter Work", Zuko has advanced much in his training, perhaps achieving a level of skill that rivals Azula's, but is achieved through different means, perhaps developing new techniques based on observations of the other nations as alluded to in "Bitter Work". Azula is surprised and infuriated at being matched and possibly outmatched by her previously "inferior" brother. She pulls out her trump card after forcing him to yield, prehaps holding someone hostage. She fires her lightning, and Zuko reacts by redirecting it back at her, striking her face. In agony, one hand clutching her face, she throws flames in random directions, causing nearby buildings to collapse around her, which at that point appear to fall on her. Zuko goes to the Palace to face his father, already embattled with Aang, Sozen's Comet rivaling the full moon in the night sky.

    2.) Aang and Ozai battle in what must and should be one of the most intense battle sequences in animation history, at least in Nickelodeon animation history. I will not dare try to choregraph this moment. I will, however, add that in order to prevent Sozen's Comet from becoming a threat again, Aang enters the Avatar State, and destroys the Comet, fragments falling to earth like shooting stars. Much celebration ensues amongst the Nations. Basically, "Return of the Jedi: Special Edition" ending.

    3.) Right at the last couple minutes of the episode, we see Azula in a hooded robe, much like Ursa wore at the end of "Zuko Alone", a strip of cloth covering her right eye (making her scar a mirror to Zuko's).
    She is moving over hillsides with the Capital in the far distance behind her, muttering about revenge and how she'll take back her throne and whatnot. Comet fragments are still falling from the sky. One fragment falls toward her and makes an impact crater over a nearby hillside. She goes to investigate, a look of desperate hope on her face. There, nestled in the crater, is a flaming white chunk of crystalline Comet.
    She cradles it in her arms like a baby, drawing in its power. We see the white fade to black, and the black start to billow out of the fragment like smoke. Azula's good eye is closed and is focused on absorbing the Comet's power, so she doesn't notice. An extreme close up of her good eye and an iris-in wipe to black, followed by a sinister laugh by Azula. End of Season 3.

    At this point it could be that Azula merely absorbed the Comet's power. As Season 4 begins a few months after Ozai's defeat. As things are settling down, Aang and company (Which now includes Zuko) are traveling through the lands outside of the Fire Nation Capital, when they are attacked by masked, black garbed person who attack them, initially with firebending, but as the tide turns in Aang's favor, shadowbending is used, which catches them off guard. The battle is stalled when the masked figure removes her mask, revealing Azula, who goes into a brief monologue about how she acquired her new powers, unaware of the Dark Avatar's presence within her. Suddenly, she looks around and talks to someone the others can't hear, clutching her head. Her right eye takes on the negative appearance of her left, and her voice changes to an overlay of her normal voice with that of a sinister male voice. Aang and company proceed to have the stuffing beat out of them in an exposition of shadowbending prowess.

    Another monologue, Dark Avatar Azula thanks Aang for breaking the seal on his celestial prison, a task that would have been more difficult if she had to rely solely on Ozai and hundreds of firebenders. She gathers shadows around her and transforms into a shadowy creature, I'm torn between an Asiatic dragon (Like the one Avatar Roku had) or some kind of bat-like creature, and flies off toward the mainland Earth Kingdom.

    This is how Azula's right eye would look when the Dark Avatar is not the dominant personality, both eyes when he is and when Azula fully merges with it. I'd like to hear some suggestions for voice actors of the Dark Avatar Spirit and what kind of design for Azula's eyescar. Remember, it's lightning, so it would likely be more linear than radial like Zuko's. As for voice actors, now that he isn't working on JLU anymore, Clancy Brown seems like a good choice.

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    legersem

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    This is good and all, and I think that this is one of the best ideas I have ever heard of, but this isn't going to take off by itself, if you know what I mean. You should send you idea to Nickelodeon and see what they think. It would be great if this was put on TV and I'm sure Nick would be willing to create more seasons (you know, to get more money).
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    Eman5805

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    Clancy Brown would be perfect...either him or Micheal Richardson(Trigon from Teen Titans)...but Brown would be the simplest seeing as he's already affiliated with Nick...my third choice would be me...but since all I have is a deep resonating voice and I have no contacts...doesn't bode well...
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    Neocrater

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    Gantros wrote:

    This is how Azula's right eye would look when the Dark Avatar is not the dominant personality, both eyes when he is and when Azula fully merges with it. I'd like to hear some suggestions for voice actors of the Dark Avatar Spirit and what kind of design for Azula's eyescar. Remember, it's lightning, so it would likely be more linear than radial like Zuko's. As for voice actors, now that he isn't working on JLU anymore, Clancy Brown seems like a good choice.

    Aww, cool, you stayed with my idea for the eyes! However, in my version, the white part has a grainy look to it. This could symbolize something, and I'll send you a message to ask permission to say it.

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    animekitsune

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    Eman5805 wrote:
    Clancy Brown would be perfect...either him or Micheal Richardson(Trigon from Teen Titans)...but Brown would be the simplest seeing as he's already affiliated with Nick...my third choice would be me...but since all I have is a deep resonating voice and I have no contacts...doesn't bode well...

    Oh yeah, those people would work

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    Gantros

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    Neocrater wrote:
    Gantros wrote:

    This is how Azula's right eye would look when the Dark Avatar is not the dominant personality, both eyes when he is and when Azula fully merges with it. I'd like to hear some suggestions for voice actors of the Dark Avatar Spirit and what kind of design for Azula's eyescar. Remember, it's lightning, so it would likely be more linear than radial like Zuko's. As for voice actors, now that he isn't working on JLU anymore, Clancy Brown seems like a good choice.

    Aww, cool, you stayed with my idea for the eyes! However, in my version, the white part has a grainy look to it. This could symbolize something, and I'll send you a message to ask permission to say it.



    I think a simple eyeblink with a pupil dilation would be sufficient.
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    animekitsune

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    Gantros wrote:
    This is how Azula's right eye would look when the Dark Avatar is not the dominant personality, both eyes when he is and when Azula fully merges with it. I'd like to hear some suggestions for voice actors of the Dark Avatar Spirit and what kind of design for Azula's eyescar. Remember, it's lightning, so it would likely be more linear than radial like Zuko's. As for voice actors, now that he isn't working on JLU anymore, Clancy Brown seems like a good choice.

    Hmm... well I was thinking the left eye for some reason... XD but not like it makes any difference.

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