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    Atu_1

    [121]Nov 8, 2007
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    Hyperactivedude wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
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    Tokka will never happen to young and to old I learned to accept it.

    You obviously have never read that many manga books or watched too many anime shows.

    Okay, I'm sorry, but that excuse is becoming a little too old. A three year age difference is nothing. Plus, Avatar is based off Asian influences and back in those times in Asia (or anywhere really) age didn't really matter.

    you're right, age gaps mean nothing in anime and manga. this is, however, a cartoon on nickelodeon. it may be inspired by asian cultures, but it still has a very western attitude. and the western attitude towards a fifteen year old guy becoming romantically involved with a twelve year old girl in any way is very much taboo. tokka = pedophilia

    That's bullsh... A girl from my class is 13 and she's got a 16 jear old boyfriend, nobody cares about their age.

    As long as they don't have sexual relations, then that's a different story.

    Speaking of which, that's my attitude towards Tokka, it's just a cartoon relationship and it's not like they're going straight to the bedroom.
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    JonathonWolf

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    Hyperactivedude wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    Strix_Moonwing wrote:
    TVGUY2007 wrote:

    Tokka will never happen to young and to old I learned to accept it.

    You obviously have never read that many manga books or watched too many anime shows.

    Okay, I'm sorry, but that excuse is becoming a little too old. A three year age difference is nothing. Plus, Avatar is based off Asian influences and back in those times in Asia (or anywhere really) age didn't really matter.

    you're right, age gaps mean nothing in anime and manga. this is, however, a cartoon on nickelodeon. it may be inspired by asian cultures, but it still has a very western attitude. and the western attitude towards a fifteen year old guy becoming romantically involved with a twelve year old girl in any way is very much taboo. tokka = pedophilia

    That's bullsh... A girl from my class is 13 and she's got a 16 jear old boyfriend, nobody cares about their age.



    Also, pedophilia implies one participant is an adult. There is not state in which a 16-year-old is considered an adult. In a majority, the age of consent is 17. In my experience the only people that see a huge problem with a situation like Tokka is the girl's father. And most fathers don't want anyone touching their little girls. I've said it before, Tokka is like a high school sophomore and senior going out.
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    kanjo_girl

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    That's what most people make out of Zutara. so much gross fan fics on there...

    But Tokka, in my opinion, will work because the whole is similar to Kaang: Sokka doesn't know Toph loves/likes him. But he's started to acknowledge her. Same with Kaang: Aang first started out crushing on her then it grew into love. She never knew. Still doesn't. But she's started to really acknowledge.

    I can't believe I just compared Tokka with Kaang.

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    Atu_1

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    I've said it before, Tokka is like a high school sophomore and senior going out.
    Ehh, Tokka's more like a high school Freshman/Sophmore with a Seventh/Eighth grader. Which really probably isn't all that bad, except today it would look wrong. But as I've said before, our social rules and taboos are a moot point in ATLA.
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    TophFanBoy

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    Yeh as someone said and it has been said before. They don't have to go straight to the bedroom. As I said earlier I don't think that is in Toph intress yet, meaby when hormones really kicks in. And give the poor people working with this some artistik freedom, Imean they have devolped great characters and character relations (what relations it will develope to is still unknown) and some of you just want to limit them based on unstable arguments. This is not late night tv at playboy mantion, these are cartoon kids in a world with diffrent ways and traditions compared to ours, that may or may not be in love.

    From now on how about insteed of draging up the age argument 8we've heard more then enough of that) if you think Takka wouldn't work (which is the question here) bring up better rezones like meaby personalites, future plans or such. How about it?

    (I'll see your answers when I wake up. Good night)

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    kanjo_girl

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    Bump.
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    VincentMagius

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    TophFanBoy wrote:

    Yeh as someone said and it has been said before. They don't have to go straight to the bedroom. As I said earlier I don't think that is in Toph intress yet, meaby when hormones really kicks in. And give the poor people working with this some artistik freedom, Imean they have devolped great characters and character relations (what relations it will develope to is still unknown) and some of you just want to limit them based on unstable arguments. This is not late night tv at playboy mantion, these are cartoon kids in a world with diffrent ways and traditions compared to ours, that may or may not be in love.

    From now on how about insteed of draging up the age argument 8we've heard more then enough of that) if you think Takka wouldn't work (which is the question here) bring up better rezones like meaby personalites, future plans or such. How about it?

    (I'll see your answers when I wake up. Good night)



    I gotta agree. I don't think that many arguments against it have been based on anything substantial, just the age difference.

    I go with the Toph/Sokka. The creators said as much during audio commentary of Serpent's Pass. I think if it fails, it'll fail because of Sokka. Either he never catches a clue or he stays faithful to Suki (who may or may not be alive). Toph should just drag him down for a kiss at the end of the show and walk off into the sunset.
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    TophFanBoy

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    VincentMagius wrote:
    TophFanBoy wrote:

    Yeh as someone said and it has been said before. They don't have to go straight to the bedroom. As I said earlier I don't think that is in Toph intress yet, meaby when hormones really kicks in. And give the poor people working with this some artistik freedom, Imean they have devolped great characters and character relations (what relations it will develope to is still unknown) and some of you just want to limit them based on unstable arguments. This is not late night tv at playboy mantion, these are cartoon kids in a world with diffrent ways and traditions compared to ours, that may or may not be in love.

    From now on how about insteed of draging up the age argument 8we've heard more then enough of that) if you think Takka wouldn't work (which is the question here) bring up better rezones like meaby personalites, future plans or such. How about it?

    (I'll see your answers when I wake up. Good night)



    I gotta agree. I don't think that many arguments against it have been based on anything substantial, just the age difference.

    I go with the Toph/Sokka. The creators said as much during audio commentary of Serpent's Pass. I think if it fails, it'll fail because of Sokka. Either he never catches a clue or he stays faithful to Suki (who may or may not be alive). Toph should just drag him down for a kiss at the end of the show and walk off into the sunset.


    Wow...Go Toph is what I would say...That is until she walked away, then I would be so very sad (poor Toph).
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    Meta1bender

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    there to manny okka suffixes

    sukka

    tokka

    tylokka

    yokka

    itsobvious hes gonaa end up with toph

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    JonathonWolf

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    I think Katara does share Aang's feelings, but I don't think either knows the other likes them. Katara probably started thinking about it after "The Fortuneteller." There have been several instances when they nearly told each other, but they probably aren't sure how to broach the subject. In a way, Katara may feel unworthy because she's a peasant in love with the Avatar. And Aang may feel unworthy because he's humble and feels like a failure for disappearing for 100 years. At the earliest, I'd say Aang will admit his feelings during "Day of the Black Sun" when he fears he may never get another chance, and he'll regain the Avatar State.
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    TophFanBoy

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    I think Katara does share Aang's feelings, but I don't think either knows the other likes them. Katara probably started thinking about it after "The Fortuneteller." There have been several instances when they nearly told each other, but they probably aren't sure how to broach the subject. In a way, Katara may feel unworthy because she's a peasant in love with the Avatar. And Aang may feel unworthy because he's humble and feels like a failure for disappearing for 100 years. At the earliest, I'd say Aang will admit his feelings during "Day of the Black Sun" when he fears he may never get another chance, and he'll regain the Avatar State.


    Yeh. That seems resonable. I could go with that.
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    LeonMorado

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    as of bato of the water tribe sokka is an adult. we're not talking about legal status, we're talking about social status. toph is a child. aang is a child. katara is the only one still sorta treading that limbo in between, but she leans more toward adulthood. anthropology, yo.
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    JonathonWolf

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    I've always gotten the feeling that those using age to disprove tokka are using our modern views. By the anthropology perspective, Toph could be considered an adult if we know what the marriage age is. In that same light, Katara could be an adult. If we assume Yue was the same age as Katara, they would be considered adults since Yue was betrothed. A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.
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    kanjo_girl

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    I've always gotten the feeling that those using age to disprove tokka are using our modern views. By the anthropology perspective, Toph could be considered an adult if we know what the marriage age is. In that same light, Katara could be an adult. If we assume Yue was the same age as Katara, they would be considered adults since Yue was betrothed. A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.

    Okay, here it is: Yue was sixteen, but I guess she's ageless now, considering she a spirit. If you like Kaang, than you really can't use age to disapprove Tokka. I'm sorry, but when you use a twelve year old kid with a fourteen year old girl against Toph and Sokka being together, that's not a very good argument.

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    LeonMorado

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    I've always gotten the feeling that those using age to disprove tokka are using our modern views. By the anthropology perspective, Toph could be considered an adult if we know what the marriage age is. In that same light, Katara could be an adult. If we assume Yue was the same age as Katara, they would be considered adults since Yue was betrothed. A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.
    a) again, asian influenced american show. despite the setting, the tone of the show is ENTIRELY modern.

    b)again, toph is a child. not because of her age, but because of her social role as a character.
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    EvilTwin77

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.

    A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable to have slaves. Expected really, if you had a plantation. Doesn't make it right. I do understand what you're saying about anthropology, though.
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    JonathonWolf

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    LeonMorado wrote:
    JonathonWolf wrote:
    I've always gotten the feeling that those using age to disprove tokka are using our modern views. By the anthropology perspective, Toph could be considered an adult if we know what the marriage age is. In that same light, Katara could be an adult. If we assume Yue was the same age as Katara, they would be considered adults since Yue was betrothed. A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.
    a) again, asian influenced american show. despite the setting, the tone of the show is ENTIRELY modern.

    b)again, toph is a child. not because of her age, but because of her social role as a character.


    An in a modern American society, I believe it is not seen as taboo for a 16-year-old guy to date a 13-year-old girl. It may be frowned upon depending upon the individuals, but it is not unilaterally seen as something completely disgusting. By current laws, it is illegal in many states for a 17-year-old and a 16-year-old to have mature relations. The law, in this case, may label the older person a pedophile. I have no problem with people not being fond of the idea of Tokka, but I don't like that it seems to be the only argument used against it. I tend to forget their ages because of their maturity levels. Sokka and Toph are very close in maturity, though they both have ways in which they need to grow up. Everyone, regardless of age, has some way they need to mature. Something they can learn about life or themselves. I've met people that started families in their early twenties. I think one young woman was married and had a child before she could drink alcohol. Today's society might look at these couples as too young to start families because the trend is to do so later in life. But that doesn't mean that these people are too young. It just means that it is some people's opinion. They are no more right or wrong than anyone else. I'd appreciate that others take as much time and effort in rebutting my opinion as I do when rebutting their's. Claiming the age gap as reason against Tokka is tantamount to saying "because I said so."
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    EvilTwin77 wrote:
    JonathonWolf wrote:
    A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.
    A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable to have slaves. Expected really, if you had a plantation. Doesn't make it right. I do understand what you're saying about anthropology, though.

    I think salavery is a little off topic here and a little subjective too. I'm pretty sure people back then didn't consider slavery wrong, atrocious as it was. But i digress, my first point is the same as many people on here, the 'wrong/age' argument in the Tokka case seems based on modern society. Secondly and most importantly, this is a cartoon on Nickelodeon for kids not some late night manga. Tokka getting together doesn't mean they gonna do the nasty so I don't see what's wrong if they do get together.

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    PsychoPass

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    Has anyone taken a step back and looked at this differently??? It appears Toph just has a crush on Sokka; not trying to get into a relationship at 12.??
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    LeonMorado

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    JonathonWolf wrote:
    I've always gotten the feeling that those using age to disprove tokka are using our modern views. By the anthropology perspective, Toph could be considered an adult if we know what the marriage age is. In that same light, Katara could be an adult. If we assume Yue was the same age as Katara, they would be considered adults since Yue was betrothed. A little over 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man nearing 30 to marry a 12-year-old girl. Expected really. Edgar Allan Poe lived during such a time.
    a) again, asian influenced american show. despite the setting, the tone of the show is ENTIRELY modern.

    b)again, toph is a child. not because of her age, but because of her social role as a character.


    An in a modern American society, I believe it is not seen as taboo for a 16-year-old guy to date a 13-year-old girl.
    12 and 15 is not 13 and 16 age gaps mean more the younger you are.

    also, i don't think sokka and toph are anywhere near each other in terms of maturity. despite being a great bender, toph is a CHILD who ran away from home. and despite being the comic relief guy, sokka is just about a grown man.
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